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Riots in Greece
    #12509204 - 05/05/10 06:27 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Are craaaaaazzzzzzzzyyy.  Definitely in a pretty tough spot.  Europe desperately needs to keep the country afloat but nobody wants to help 'em.  Pensions at 98% of pay?!  I'd be pissed too.  No wonder the country is fucked.



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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: memes]
    #12509825 - 05/05/10 10:17 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

This is what happens when a nation encumbered by social welfare implodes.

The bloated public sector has bled the private sector past the point of economic sustainability.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12510536 - 05/05/10 12:42 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

"Sovereign debt crisis". Get used to that phrase. You're going to be hearing it a lot soon.


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: zorbman]
    #12510793 - 05/05/10 01:31 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

3 dead.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzNkODc3ZTMxMTYwMjRiZDliNmFkMTdlN2Y3YThiYjM=

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Radio Free New Jersey has an open letter to the Greek protestors. It does not mince words:

    Morons,

    There is no money. There is no one else’s pocket left to pick. You can’t borrow anymore, you can’t print anymore, and you can’t steal anymore from anyone else.


Of course it’s not just Greece, nor even just Europe. Pick a nation, pick a state, pick a city — Los Angeles, say. The game is up. The grand Ponzi schemes of modern public financing have reached the point where Mr. Ponzi packs his bags and heads for Paraguay.

At the weekend I was chatting with a friend very knowledgeable in the bond and currency markets. I was actually grumbling about my kids. “They live in a virtual world,” I whined, “They don’t seem much interested in doing things or handling things, making things or fixing things. They just want to stare at those fool screens and diddle with those fool touch pads.”

He: “Yeah, well, that virtual world doesn’t have much longer to run. A few years from now, they’ll be obsessing about other things.”

Me: “What kind of other things, d’you think?”

He (after a moment’s thought): “Potatoes.”




It used to be that the leftists and socialists sought to secure for the working man the fruits of his own labor from appropriation by the moneyed barons.  Now it seem they want to secure the right to be taken care of at the expense of the fruits of the working man's labor.


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12511513 - 05/05/10 04:00 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

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Mr.Al said:
This is what happens when a nation encumbered by social welfare implodes.





this is what happens every year in greece, rioting is their way of life, in
fact they have a riot to celebrate the anniversary of riots past

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #12511550 - 05/05/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

this reminds of the college kids at berkeley throwing a fit because the government was running out of money for student loans.

this is the shit that happens when a country taxes the hell out of its citizens.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: appleorange] * 3
    #12511636 - 05/05/10 04:22 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

that's a result of a bunch of spoiled brats that think they're entitled to government money

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12512230 - 05/05/10 06:16 PM (14 years, 17 days ago)

Greece lost a lot of money in the sub-prime crisis. In order to make their economic portfolio wealthy enough to enter into the EU they had to cook the books and they called in one of the guys (I cannot remember who) who was part in orchestrating a lot of the mortgage securities that caused the US mortgage crisis.

That photo is also not recent. It was from the riots that happened after those cops killed that youth ~1 or 2 years ago. It is not from these riots at all, though I can see why you used it, whoever took that was a good photographer.


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12514570 - 05/06/10 12:32 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Whatever.  I googled "greece riot" and picked the first pic that didn't suck ass.

Glad you're up to par on knowledge about this stuff though.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: memes]
    #12517595 - 05/06/10 03:31 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Haha everyone loves a Greek tragedy.  They were living high live off those loans and probably shouldn't have been allowed to enter the EU anyway.  Now they are fucked, and don't want to pay the price.

This is the system Obama looks up to.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: despisedicon]
    #12517935 - 05/06/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

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This is the system Obama looks up to.




it certainly has it's finer points, we rarely have a good firebombing party in the US

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12518697 - 05/06/10 07:18 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

We almost had a good one on Times Square the other day.  You gotta move where the action is.


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12518753 - 05/06/10 07:26 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Goldman sachs. That's who it was who put together the finances that got Greece into the EU.

Frankly I don't blame them for wanting into the EU, but obviously not only did cooking the books catch up to them, but they also lost a shitload of their finances that they actually did have.

Anyone read the details of the Austerity package being proposed?


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: ScavengerType]
    #12519193 - 05/06/10 08:43 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

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Goldman sachs. That's who it was who put together the finances that got Greece into the EU.




:rofl2:

Such glorious ignorance
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Frankly I don't blame them for wanting into the EU, but obviously not only did cooking the books catch up to them, but they also lost a shitload of their finances that they actually did have.




Yeah, they gave it to a whole shitload of people who don't work.  The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12520504 - 05/07/10 01:21 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

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Mr.Al said:
This is what happens when a nation encumbered by social welfare implodes.





this is what happens every year in greece, rioting is their way of life, in
fact they have a riot to celebrate the anniversary of riots past





The circumstances are serious though; Greece is on the verge of insolvency.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12520925 - 05/07/10 05:54 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
:rofl2:



Sounds like greece needs it's own spin-off of a perestroika

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: memes]
    #12521255 - 05/07/10 08:33 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Here's a good one on the bum culture of Greece
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/germans_must_pay_for_greek_loafers_and_cheats/

   
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Tens of thousands of unmarried or divorced daughters of civil servants collect their dead parents’ pensions, weighing on a social security system experts say will collapse in 15 years unless it is overhauled....

    While the law protects civil servants from dismissal, it allows them to retire with a pension in their 40s.

    Greek pension spending is expected to rise by 12 percent of gross domestic product by 2050, according to EU Commission data. That compares with an EU average of less than 3 percent of GDP…

    Labour unions foiled government attempts to sell debt-ridden Olympic Airways for decades, costing Greek taxpayers millions while employees enjoyed generous benefits—their family members could fly around the world for free… Olympic was sold in 2008, but only after the state lavishly compensated or re-hired about 4,600 employees…

    The state owns 74 companies, mainly utilities and transport firms, many of which are overstaffed and loss-making, the OECD says…

    Hundreds of state-appointed committees employ staff though it is not clear what they all do. Greece has a committee to manage Lake Kopais, which dried out in the 1930s…

    But nearly 80 percent of Defence Ministry spending goes on administrative costs and payments of army staff.




What a fair and pleasant place to have not worked.  Oopsie.


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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12521267 - 05/07/10 08:39 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Man, I was born in the wrong decade and in the wrong country.

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: zappaisgod]
    #12521270 - 05/07/10 08:40 AM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Damn I wish i knew about their country a while ago.  Tryin'a live there (although not anymore, obviously)

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Re: Riots in Greece [Re: Mr.Al]
    #12525007 - 05/07/10 11:21 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

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Mr.Al said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Mr.Al said:
This is what happens when a nation encumbered by social welfare implodes.





this is what happens every year in greece, rioting is their way of life, in
fact they have a riot to celebrate the anniversary of riots past





The circumstances are serious though; Greece is on the verge of insolvency.





the circumstances around most of their riots are serious and so was I,
this is the national past time for these people, every year this shit
happens for some reason or another, the often have riots because they
had a riot the year before, the anual even started in the 70's over some
shit with a students union building, so every year they go there and
start a new one

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