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Re: The forest [Re: DieCommie]
    #10066173 - 03/29/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Well yea, exactly. So the forest is in equilibrium. Trees growing stronger and taller is hardly analogies to humans getting fatter though. Humans can grow strong through exercise and proper diet which is far different from obsessive food consumption leading to obesity. So many trees living next to each other I would call if more cooperation than competition.


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Re: The forest [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #10072380 - 03/30/09 06:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What happens to animals in slaughterhouses is much more evil than anything that happens in a forest.


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Re: The forest [Re: lines]
    #10072389 - 03/30/09 06:31 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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What happens to animals in slaughterhouses is much more evil than anything that happens in a forest.




no it isn't.


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Re: The forest [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #10073014 - 03/30/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Well yea, exactly. So the forest is in equilibrium. Trees growing stronger and taller is hardly analogies to humans getting fatter though. Humans can grow strong through exercise and proper diet which is far different from obsessive food consumption leading to obesity. So many trees living next to each other I would call if more cooperation than competition.






If you want to assign a wholesome valuation to the forrest that's your perogative, but claiming just because something is in equilibrium that the participants are not taking more than they need is silly.

Trees take as much resources as they can and others die as a result.  This is the equilibrium: the rate of growth vs the rate of death caused by the growth.


You really think the minimum a tree needs is to grow to thirty feet tall and thirty feet wide, obstructing the forest floor of all that light that could have sustained thousands of trees but for the 100 year old monster gobbling it all up?


I think you just think the forest is "pure" and are working backwards to justify it.


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Re: The forest [Re: johnm214]
    #10074014 - 03/30/09 01:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Whether the equilibrium is achieved through competition or cooperation is irrelevant I guess. Perhaps it is the innate nature of the forest to be at equilibrium through this competitiveness you describe. I still don't see it as analogies to the human competition over resources seen in geopolitics.


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Re: The forest [Re: johnm214]
    #10074445 - 03/30/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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You really think the minimum a tree needs is to grow to thirty feet tall and thirty feet wide, obstructing the forest floor of all that light that could have sustained thousands of trees but for the 100 year old monster gobbling it all up?




Im declaring  shenanigans on you folks..and fortifying somebodies previous statement on your evident anthropomorphizing of the flora and fauna.
The trees.. especially big trees will provide much life for other life forms acting actually as a base community.The bigger the tree.. the better.
When you cut down a tree.. you kill the home of many other beings.
Trees are in actuality very selfless..they dont move, they live off of our discharge.. and mostly ,completely free solar energy.
Furthermore.. all plant life could be considered to YES, cooperate, being that they share a underground network of information kind of like your internet.
The same goes for the mushroom.. and the mycelium.

Actually.. The ayahuasca vine has a certain type of ants that protect her from other potentially harmful insects and in turn feed off this gooey substance that the tree secretes.

I would have wrote something really concise and provided much evidence..
Had i not declared shenanigans !!!
This looks like  a joke.


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Re: The forest [Re: jivJaN]
    #10074556 - 03/30/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

well we better get a broom then


big things take up space.  small things take up less.  small things use less resources.  therefore small things can fit in greater quantity and use less resources.  30 ft is a big tree.  trees often grow big in forests, therefore the trees of the forest are taking more than they need.

(and it was I who commented on the anthropomorphism)


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Re: The forest [Re: johnm214]
    #10075760 - 03/30/09 06:34 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

LoL..

How tall are you ? How much do you weigh ?


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Re: The forest [Re: DieCommie]
    #10076727 - 03/30/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Not all things will survive in nature. This is just how the cycle goes, the Tree has no want or conscience for that matter to have power over its fellow life forms. You are painting black a small part of nature's cycle. There is also this thing called symbiosis...


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Re: The forest [Re: johnm214]
    #10076815 - 03/30/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I love nature, the forest. I don't see it as a War, I see it as the way it is. No creature TAKES more than it NEEDS. That's the beauty and secret of nature, the most life possibly supported. Rainforests are the most densely populated areas on earth, supported layers on layers of plant life and animals to go with it. You can perceive it as War, or you can view it as a great concert of life.




What does a creature need?  Seems a bit anthropomorphic in reasoning to say a tree or bug needs something inherently.




Bacteria kill other bacteria and multiply, molds produce more molds untill the entire tree is destroyed and not other molds can have it- killing itself in its exuberance.  trees block other trees and plants kill other plants, when they could survive without doing so.



To say things in the forest don't take more then they need, whatever that means, is curious.  What could you mean by this?


Agree wtih qubit too, and these melchanisms demonstrate the tree does take more than it needs, too.  It need not grow so big to survive, and yet it does.  Greedy bastard.





How many bacteria do you see eat entire forests? Shit, you hardly ever see (not even likely anyone has) a living tree totally taken over by mold.

Ever notice that most of the trees of the same species grow all about the same height...if they were "greedy" wouldn't every single tree have huge height differences?



seriously...
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Re: The forest [Re: Quetzalcohuatl]
    #12497795 - 05/03/10 07:51 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

humans also have wars and people do fight to live. There must be peace somewhere? Maybe... Space? Lol


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Re: The forest [Re: deCypher]
    #12498069 - 05/03/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Although don't forget that for as much competition in Nature there is just as much cooperation and symbiosis.



Very true.  Despite that some "weaker" animals or plants may die off because they didn't have the resources their competitors had - this is exactly right.

Despite all the "war" and death within nature, there is still life springing up from seemingly nowhere.

A dead organism is a host to many, many others. (In reference to a tree and various fungi or insects that would begin to live off the discarded, rotting tree.)


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Re: The forest [Re: TheWolf]
    #12499840 - 05/03/10 03:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ever think that maybe the system of nature is one? So no one is winning, no one is losing, it's just a system at work. If a whole forest is wiped out by fire - that's nature too - and just a few bushes survive, nature still wins.

I'm seeing a lot of vagueness in the terms we're using.

I just have to result to these arguments because someone thought it would be a good idea to apply some human idea of a desperate survival paradigm to trees. Why would Nature be desperate when Nature is all there is?


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Re: The forest [Re: circastes]
    #12500144 - 05/03/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Why would Nature be desperate when Nature is all there is?




Yes.

Don't tell the politicians, CEOs, or religious leaders; fear and impending doom is conveyed by positioning nature as divisible by nature.

Go green! :lol:


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Re: The forest [Re: Arden]
    #12500936 - 05/03/10 06:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"What about the forests?"



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Re: The forest [Re: Arden] * 1
    #12503695 - 05/04/10 08:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)



"Guess again."


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