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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: chodamunky]
    #1249557 - 01/26/03 05:46 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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lol Van Gogh? I'm not familiar with his life story, maybe you could explain what point you are trying to make. Although I do know he painted a lot of naked people doing weird things  :ooo: 




I thought the reference to Van Gogh would be hard to miss.

The stylized portraiture of Van Gogh's reputation was that he was a brilliant, sensitive artist that eventually killed himself.  The singer Don McLean wrote a beautiful song about him in the 70's called, Vincent (Starry Starry Night):

Starry, starry night.
Paint your palette blue and grey,
Look out on a summer's day,
With eyes that know the darkness in my soul.
Shadows on the hills,
Sketch the trees and the daffodils,
Catch the breeze and the winter chills,
In colors on the snowy linen land.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

Starry, starry night.
Flaming flowers that brightly blaze,
Swirling clouds in violet haze,
Reflect in Vincent's eyes of china blue.
Colors changing hue, morning field of amber grain,
Weathered faces lined in pain,
Are soothed beneath the artist's loving hand.

Now I understand what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they did not know how.
Perhaps they'll listen now.

For they could not love you,
But still your love was true.
And when no hope was left in sight
On that starry, starry night,
You took your life, as lovers often do.
But I could have told you, Vincent,
This world was never meant for one
As beautiful as you.

Starry, starry night.
Portraits hung in empty halls,
Frameless head on nameless walls,
With eyes that watch the world and can't forget.
Like the strangers that you've met,
The ragged men in the ragged clothes,
The silver thorn of bloody rose,
Lie crushed and broken on the virgin snow.

Now I think I know what you tried to say to me,
How you suffered for your sanity,
How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will...


The Troubled Life of Vincent Van Gogh



"The 19th century European society of Van Gogh's day was not ready to accept his truthful and emotionally morbid way of depicting his art subjects. His internal turbulence is clearly seen in most of his paintings, which set the stage for the direction of a new style of painting called Expressionism. It is characterized by the use of symbols and a style that expresses the artist's inner feelings about his subject.


Therefore, an understanding of the paintings by Van Gogh requires insight into his turbulent life, because his style of painting is exemplified by a projection of the painter's inner experience onto the canvas he paints. In Vincent Van Gogh's own words, he said, "What lives in art and is eternally living, is first of all the painter, and then the painting." To understand an artist of Expressionism we must first explore their biography.


Many of us can identify with the roadblocks that Vincent Van Gogh experienced in his many career and romantic pursuits, all ending in failure. His reaction to these experiences however, demonstrates a biological and psychological abnormality, causing behaviors that alienated those around him. As he became more isolated from society and began to pour all of his energies into painting, his eccentricities and outbursts developed pathological traits, which caused him first, to be institutionalized, and second, it led to his suicidal death at the young age of 37.


During his short and turbulent life, he sold only 1 painting for 400 francs, just 4 months before his death. It is titled "The Red Vineyard" (See painting below). Nonetheless, he produced an incredible number of masterpieces that will continue "living" for the rest of human history."

Let us hope our friend Amanita doesn't travel the same path.

 

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1249826 - 01/26/03 08:08 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, best song ever. I never knew that it's a reference to Van Gogh. Thanks... you have just enlightened me :laugh: 

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: andrash]
    #1249983 - 01/26/03 09:48 AM (21 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the conversations with god books say a lot of the same stuff as is in that description. I am reading the second one at the moment. Very beautiful.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1250347 - 01/26/03 12:30 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

The sane mental condition is in the eye of the beholder. If everyone else in the world was 'wierd' and you were not- YOU would be the wierd one.

:wink:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: amanita3]
    #1250441 - 01/26/03 01:13 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

thanx alot for that post....very interesting.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1251025 - 01/26/03 05:35 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Think Van Gogh.




Practically took the words out of my mout...err..keyboard. There have been numerous authors, poets, artists, and musicians, who composed beatiful works of art without the use of sanity.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: ]
    #1251028 - 01/26/03 05:37 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah, Van Gogh painted self-portraits and landscapes and still lifes and stuff. He was bipolar and cut off his ear. Some people think lead poisoning was the cause of his mental disturbance and not bipolar. He used to lick his paint brushes and the paint was full of lead - rags were pretty expensive in those days. They reckon that could explain why he painted halos around lights as in "starry starry night" (people see halos with lead poisening). You might have seen that one. I don't know much about his behaviour, etc, otherwise, except that he cut off his ear. I don't see the comparison or the point either. But anyway..........




Correct me if Im wrong, but Im nearly positive that it was Absinthe that drove Van Gogh mad.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Remy]
    #1251068 - 01/26/03 06:01 PM (21 years, 2 months ago)

I think there are a few theories. Those are just the two I've heard of.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: amanita3]
    #10906689 - 08/21/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry for bumping this. I had to tag it to read later.

So far it's a good read.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: _VisioN_]
    #23721656 - 10/09/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Great account of something more valuable than life itself.

Worth the bump of 14 years.


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_VisioN_ said:
dude u wanna kinda try and summaraize that cuz im gonna be honest, i dont kno many ppl that give a big enuff of a fuck to read that whole thing,lol. i am interested jus not gonna read the whole thing.lol


-Vision 




In contrast to this, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. :wink:

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Swami]
    #23721679 - 10/09/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Swami said:
I dont know about other people but I was benefited by that knowledge.
A story does not necessarily equate to knowledge.

The notion that you should do what makes you happy
Pardon my facetiousness, but is that REALLY a revelation to you? Prior to this, you strove for things that would make you unhappy?

...and that intelligence does'nt matter was helpful.
Of course intelligence matters! It just happens to be one factor of many. 



I miss swami,
he saved me so much thankless labour


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23721734 - 10/09/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hark, thy burdened knights in battle saying 'nay' to the impenetrable.

:cross:

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23723851 - 10/09/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Great bump... Now I can be a part of this bad ass thread :inlove3:

It's all in the old testament folks

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God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it




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By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."





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then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.



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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23724121 - 10/10/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alas! Christ conceived to clarify.

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23724290 - 10/10/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

this forum used to be joined with the spirituality (Spirituality & Mysticism) forum but was split off about 6 or 7 years ago.
they did not however also move the collection of old threads to the more appropriate alternate forum.

I got used to the separation though I initially opposed it.

At this point I wonder if a mod could shift the dogma to the dogma house, or blend both bowls of mushy thoughts back into one.


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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23724514 - 10/10/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I have read his NDE account but have never ever found--if my memory serves me right-- his claims verified with evidence. IE his claim he was dead over one hour. Anyone care to point me to the evidence to substantiate it?

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Re: Dead for an hour and a half-full report [Re: zzripz]
    #23729157 - 10/11/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Does this make sense?

possibly all thoughts are potentially belief systems, in seed form

possibly the water for these seeds is unmet emotional needs

almost by definition unmet emotional needs are unconscious

(perhaps, unless you sing the blues)

so anyway ...

so one might say meditation is the attempt to not water the seeds

given that we get no manual from our culture on how to operate the brain

we are not warned that thoughts are potential sand traps,
in that while presuming we are being objective, we are actually constructing filters, that limit our ability to objectively evaluate future data

specifically in this case, the hidden payoff, is that believing in this rather dualistic construct, fosters belief in a separate self, which is of course ironic on a psychedelic type forum / website.

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