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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Andytweed]
    #1254040 - 01/27/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)


They have to jail the people that think for themselves the most (drug users)

In my experience, most drug users rarely think about, or do, anything constructive.



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Re: Gun Control [Re: Andytweed]
    #1254056 - 01/27/03 03:42 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

"...let them kill each other."

I recently read a novel by R. A. Heinlein (Beyond This Horizen) in wich all citizens could choose to go armed or unarmed in public.  Those who choose to walk around armed learn to be very polite as any death due to a conflict between two armed citizens is perfectly leagal.  Anyone choosing to go unarmed wears about themselves some indication of this fact and, while free from atack, is a second class citizen.

This fits perfectly with my own views as it takes care of gun control and survival of the fittest all at the same time.  I think it would be great to see a society in which the individual is responsible for their interactions with others.  Next time you hold the door for someone and they don't thank you :mad:, BLam!  We need some way to kill off the stupid and rude, don't we? :grin: 


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Re: Gun Control [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1254294 - 01/28/03 04:23 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

the common man would have the ability to check the government if it got out of hand

Don't you think Bush is a little out of hand? Is there any chance of the people bringing him down?

Can you give me one hypothetical situation where the american people could bring down the military and the government with their handguns? Evolving backed out of it when I pushed him on this.

What about drug users? They are being cruelly persecuted right now, what chance do they have of bringing the government down? Believe me, if I thought people having guns could bring down Bush I'd be all for gun ownership.


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Re: Gun Control [Re: BowlKiller]
    #1254412 - 01/28/03 05:03 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

i really really like the mental picture of some NRA members standing in front of a tank shooting at it with handguns.

of course then they'd die, and i don't really like it when people die. but it would make a funny cartoon.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1254591 - 01/28/03 06:08 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

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Evolving backed out of it when I pushed him on this.



I did not. Your inability to comprehend the nature of possible conflict, strategy, tactics, weaponry and most of all the desire to avoid self incrimination on a public BBS is the problem. Also by implication, it can be said that it is your belief that everyone should just give up and lick the jack boots of their governmental masters, that it is better to live in subjugation than to die a free man.

There are those of us who have the will and desire to stand up for ourselves regardless of what the cowards among us think. We will not be dissuaded by those who tremble while yellow liquid flows down their spindly legs and they say through quivering lips, "you can't fight the government, they're too powerful." Those who give up before even trying deserve neither freedom nor respect, they are the ones who make all dictatorships possible and are only worthy of contempt. As Henry David Thoreau said "Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves."

If England had a person of your character instead of Winston Churchill, you would be speaking German now and preaching obedience to the Reich, but you would also be held in contempt by those whom you obey. If you prefer to crawl on your belly, that's your perogative. However, don't expect those of us with spines to encourage your timidity by joining you on the stable floor.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1254634 - 01/28/03 06:20 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

So you still can't think of any possible situation? Not even wildly hypothetical?

Could drug users bring down Bush right now with their handguns?


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Xlea321]
    #1254655 - 01/28/03 06:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun. It almost brought him down, James Brady was permanently disabled because of the same weapon. If it would have been a .38 special (your favorite gun) James Brady would be dead and possibly Reagan too.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

Edited by Evolving (01/28/03 06:27 AM)

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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1254706 - 01/28/03 06:41 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You people want freedoms but yet you can go to another subject of freedom and want it taken away. Crime has always existed and always will. Before there were guns people just killed in other ways so what! If I wanted to kill someone I would weather or not i had a gun, there are thousands of way to kill someone. Guns don't make crimes people do.


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InvisibleCaptain Jack
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Bavet]
    #1254812 - 01/28/03 07:15 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

yes but guns just make it easier


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1254909 - 01/28/03 07:44 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun. It almost brought him down, James Brady was permanently disabled because of the same weapon. If it would have been a .38 special (your favorite gun) James Brady would be dead and possibly Reagan too.




So what? They're not the real people in power. They're just puppets.
Killing the puppet doesn't kill the puppetmaster and in this case it would make him stronger.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Andytweed]
    #1255186 - 01/28/03 09:10 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun...



So what? They're not the real people in power. They're just puppets.
Killing the puppet doesn't kill the puppetmaster and in this case it would make him stronger.



Okay, identify 'the real people in power,' 'the puppetmasters,' and we'll get to work on removing them from power.


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1255402 - 01/28/03 10:26 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun...



So what? They're not the real people in power. They're just puppets.
Killing the puppet doesn't kill the puppetmaster and in this case it would make him stronger.



Okay, identify 'the real people in power,' 'the puppetmasters,' and we'll get to work on removing them from power.



Well, in the case of our present government, I'd say Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and John Ashcroft are the ones pulling the strings.


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Re: Gun Control [Re: silversoul7]
    #1255427 - 01/28/03 10:32 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I'd say that you were probably right...


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1255560 - 01/28/03 11:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun...



So what? They're not the real people in power. They're just puppets.
Killing the puppet doesn't kill the puppetmaster and in this case it would make him stronger.



Okay, identify 'the real people in power,' 'the puppetmasters,' and we'll get to work on removing them from power.




Gee I don't know. The corporations that buy them?
You can't take them down.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Andytweed]
    #1255648 - 01/28/03 12:01 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

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Gee I don't know. The corporations that buy them?



So you don't know, you're just making things up. People run corporations, if corporations are acting as 'puppet masters' as you believe, that means there are individuals responsible. Who are these people? If you are unable to come up with any proof, on what do you base your assertions? This is not to say that it isn't so, but simple allegations are hardly a rational basis for beliefs.

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You can't take them down.



Why not? Everyone is subject to the same human frailties, everyone bleeds, everyone dies. What you really mean is that YOU can't, don't know how, or lack the real desire to take them down (of course there's nothing wrong with that).


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OfflineAndytweed
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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1255755 - 01/28/03 12:44 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You're right I don't know which corporations are buying politicians because it's not public knowledge, but it seems fairly obvious that politicians are getting kickbacks.
How can you go after someone if you don't know who they are.

Quote:

Why not? Everyone is subject to the same human frailties, everyone bleeds, everyone dies. What you really mean is that YOU can't, don't know how, or lack the real desire to take them down (of course there's nothing wrong with that).




So what are you going to do? Hunt down every person that's buying a politician and take him out?


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Edited by Andytweed (01/28/03 12:45 PM)

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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1256355 - 01/28/03 04:04 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Every thing dieeeeeeeeeeey-eeyiiieeyiiieeyiiesss.... ev ree thing dies.

sorry, you made me think of that song



if we did want to take out the 'puppetmasters' aren't we up against the fuckin U.S. military? complete with brand spankin' new tanks and attack helicopters.

i agree with your views on standing up against tyranny (even if it is a suicide), I believe there are some things worth dying for.
but i think guns are pretty useless in this fight... it's information we would need, which would lead to manpower, right?

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Re: Gun Control [Re: Grav]
    #1256433 - 01/28/03 04:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

it's information we would need, which would lead to manpower, right?

Can you say... internet :grin: 


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Grav]
    #1256553 - 01/28/03 05:29 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

if we did want to take out the 'puppetmasters' aren't we up against the fuckin U.S. military? complete with brand spankin' new tanks and attack helicopters.

Yep. .38 specials against heavy machine guns. I don't fancy their chances  :grin:


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Re: Gun Control [Re: Evolving]
    #1256556 - 01/28/03 05:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Ronald Reagan was shot with a .22 handgun.

By some guy who wanted to impress Jodie Foster.

Is this really your best shot? Relying on guys who want to impress Jodie Foster for your liberty? You'd better get ready to spend an awful long time living on your knees son.

Why not?

Don't you think these people are aware that people might want to take them down? Maybe that's why they have armies and cops armed to the teeth? Do you think you and your dad are going to go in blasting and change the world before you are both quickly strapped into the nearest electric chair?


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