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Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once
    #12498035 - 05/03/10 09:31 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have been unable to find a good recipe for making several jars worth of BRF substrate at once. I don't want to wing it and risk messing things up because of the ratios. Has anyone had success with a particular method?


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12498039 - 05/03/10 09:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:awesurprise:

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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Breakfast Crew]
    #12499414 - 05/03/10 02:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you ask?


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Breakfast Crew]
    #12499438 - 05/03/10 02:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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The ratio of one jar times your desired amount. Are you over 18?



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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Pluth]
    #12499489 - 05/03/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

5 jars is

1 cup water
2 cups vermiculite
1 cup brown rice flour :wink:


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: L-Shroom-D]
    #12499729 - 05/03/10 03:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I will try it out- but have you had successful results with that recipe before? I ask because I know it's tricky to scale up the BRF recipe without throwing off the ratios...


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12499739 - 05/03/10 03:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I will try it out- but have you had successful results with that recipe before? I ask because I know it's tricky to scale up the BRF recipe without throwing off the ratios...




How is that throwing off the ratios?


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Smartweed]
    #12499750 - 05/03/10 03:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

2:1:1 regardless of scale
20 cups verm, 10 cups brf, 10 cups water.
2 cups verm, 1 cup brf, 1 cup water.


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Spongiform]
    #12499759 - 05/03/10 03:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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2:1:1 regardless of scale
20 cups verm, 10 cups brf, 10 cups water.
2 cups verm, 1 cup brf, 1 cup water.





100 cups verm, 50 cups brf, 50 cups water :wink:


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12499802 - 05/03/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I have been unable to find a good recipe for making several jars worth of BRF substrate at once. I don't want to wing it and risk messing things up because of the ratios. Has anyone had success with a particular method?




Are you serious?  The recipe is 1/2 cup verm, 1/4 cup water and 1/4 cup BRF per 1/2 pint.  Just multiply if you are doing more than a single 1/2 pint.

or

2 part verm
1 part water
1 part BRF

It is so freaking simple.

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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Josh84]
    #12499815 - 05/03/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

2verm:1water:1brf ration for one 1/2 pint jar. just multiply each number by how many jars you have.

20 1/2 pint jars = 40verm:20water:20brf :wink:


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Spongiform]
    #12499819 - 05/03/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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2:1:1 regardless of scale
20 cups verm, 10 cups brf, 10 cups water.
2 cups verm, 1 cup brf, 1 cup water.




If you say so, but I've always heard that simply upping the quantity without adjusting the ratios appropriately will throw off the moisture content. I just don't have any time, money, or syringes to waste on a bad substrate recipe (not that I'm saying yours is- just haven't tried it myself)...

Sorry to be busting out such an simple question, but I wanted to make sure before I just assumed and screwed things up...especially since I've heard that you can't just up the quantity


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12499823 - 05/03/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

its be really helpful to tell us how many jars you want to do :wink:


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: L-Shroom-D]
    #12499845 - 05/03/10 03:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Also adding 1 tablespoon of gypsum per 1 cup verm is also really good.

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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Josh84]
    #12499925 - 05/03/10 04:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Also adding 1 tablespoon of gypsum per 1 cup verm is also really good.




I recommend 1 tablespoon gypsum and 1 tablespoon spent coffee grounds per quart of vermiculite used. 

Can't argue with the results of such a recipe: :-D






If you find your moisture content to be off you can add more verm or more water as needed.  I prefer to make mine a bit on the dry side and then when inoculating with LC, use extra lc without throwing off the moisture.

By doing so with my plastic containers, they're fully colonized within a week with containers ranging from 1/4 pint to quarts.





With spawn bags up to 6 quarts of pf mix, looking at about 2 weeks to fully colonize.




It's worked out pretty well for me.


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Spongiform]
    #12499941 - 05/03/10 04:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

whats mushies is that spongiform?


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Spongiform]
    #12499952 - 05/03/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Also adding 1 tablespoon of gypsum per 1 cup verm is also really good.




I recommend 1 tablespoon gypsum and 1 tablespoon spent coffee grounds per quart of vermiculite used. 

Can't argue with the results of such a recipe: :-D






If you find your moisture content to be off you can add more verm or more water as needed.  I prefer to make mine a bit on the dry side and then when inoculating with LC, use extra lc without throwing off the moisture.

By doing so with my plastic containers, they're fully colonized within a week with containers ranging from 1/4 pint to quarts.





With spawn bags up to 6 quarts of pf mix, looking at about 2 weeks to fully colonize.




It's worked out pretty well for me.




I was going off your PlasticTek info.  You said 2 tablespoons gypsum to 2 cups verm.

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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: L-Shroom-D]
    #12499965 - 05/03/10 04:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I was going off your PlasticTek info.  You said 2 tablespoons gypsum to 2 cups verm.



I've been using less lately, primarily because I've been using plaster of paris which will clump if you use too much. 

You can use up to 10% gypsum by volume though I'm not sure if there's any benefit in going that high.


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Spongiform]
    #12499987 - 05/03/10 04:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Cool, thanks for the in-depth & pics Spongi.

I've been planning on using both gypsum and coffee in my mix (thought about ordering some tryptamine too, but I figured the experiments can wait for a bit...)

At the moment, my plan is to make 36 1/2 pint jars. I'll have 3 strains (Puerto Rican, F+, and Taz) with 12 cakes each; these will be double-stacked with skewers for an end result of 3 FCs with 6 double-stacks in each one. Of course, that's assuming everything goes to plan and I don't screw up my recipe. Which I doubt that I will, now that I have such an abundance of advice/input. Thanks all for the help


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Re: Mixing Multiple BRF Jars at Once [Re: Nyawinge]
    #12500052 - 05/03/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you haven't bought your supplies yet you might want to consider spawn bags.  You can do 4, 6 quart bags and fit them into 1 shotgun terrarium.  For the equivalent substrate of 128 1/2 pint cakes.

I think the half pints are more efficient sub/yield ratios, but the bags are much more efficient use of time and space.  4 inoculations vs 128, 1 terrarium vs several etc.

You'd want a decent size pressure cooker and while not absolutely require an impulse sealer makes it a lot easier to deal with bags.

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