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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: RainbowEye]
    #1251769 - 01/26/03 11:40 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

dude, stop SHOUTING!

and if you read even two of the plenty posts above, you'll find the answer to your question. :tongue:


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: shirley knott] * 1
    #1251777 - 01/26/03 11:45 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Do Psilocybe cyanescens and Auzrencens (or whatever... :wink: ) yield comparably to Cubensis , or not? All pictures of Outdoor patches Ive seen , only show very few fruits, wouldnt it be better to grow Cubensis , and just eat twice the amount? Or is the trip really "higher" on Woodloving strains?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1251803 - 01/27/03 12:29 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251812 - 01/27/03 12:44 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

He He He ^^ inspiring


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1252222 - 01/27/03 05:12 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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>All pictures of Outdoor patches Ive seen , only show very few fruits,

Really?
Then yoiu must have missed those



Well... I sure did , but honestly , there will be a difference between my patches and anno?s, right??!!! (actually I suppose this difference to be quite large... :wink:  ) 


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: RainbowEye]
    #1252371 - 01/27/03 06:27 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

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AND WHAT IS COPELANDIA CYANENSENS THEN???????


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: deanofmean]
    #1252615 - 01/27/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 1 month ago)

thiese copelandia threads confused me a lot! i always thought that panaeolus cyanescens are strogner than psilocybe cyanescens! then i read in these threads from a few people that ps cyans are stronger than pan cyans.
can anyone please tell us the right answer with proves? documents or something

thank you

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Hamurabi] * 1
    #1253674 - 01/27/03 01:21 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

According to the Literature P. cyanescens is Stronger then Copelandia species. I would regard the literature with a grain of salt. BOTH mushrooms are of the EXTREMELY POTENT variety.

Let your local climate determine which one you grow, and let yourself be the judge of potency. Start small 1/2 gram and increase accordingly.

As is being determined every day, the Literature is becoming more and more outdated. It appears there has always been some kind of Ego battle between the various Mycologists that study these mushrooms. I think that Battle is contagous, and only SLOWS down the progress that can be made.

I would say the only thing Potency analysis is good for is DETERMINATION of CHEMICAL composition, and the scientific PROOF of the prescence of the Alkaloids for Taxonomic identification and submission into JOURNALS. Other then that SELF EXPERIMENTATION will be your ultimate guide to potency. Just take the basic advice that some people hear think Copelandia is more potent and some thing P. cyanescens is more potent. All agree that they are both more potent then cubensis, and you should TAKE that AGREED upon EXPERIENCE into SERIOUS consideration when INGESTING EITHER SPECIES.

Good luck and Be careful.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: ]
    #1253772 - 01/27/03 01:55 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Anno I Think that youd know this. What are the yeilds roughly on a pan cyan casing? Does the potency make up for the yeild? Thanks

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: resin]
    #1253811 - 01/27/03 02:12 PM (21 years, 1 month ago)

Umm... No
Ps.Cyans are Comparable to Azures, they are almost the same shroom, there potencies are one in the same, Pan.Cyans are Wicked too and easy to cultivate indoors, as stated earlier, while Ps.Cyans Like Azures need a certain climate, and need to be cultivated outdoors.
You would get a better yield from Fruiting Ps.Cyans outdoors in the right climate, than you would from fruiting pan.Cyans indoors, though their ease to cultivate make them the ideal choice for the home cultivator.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: TeKn0]
    #1323721 - 02/21/03 02:38 AM (21 years, 15 days ago)

Anyone discovered a particularly effective method of drying out Pan. Cyan.? I read earlier that they lose potency if dried.

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Slipstream]
    #1328977 - 02/23/03 01:22 PM (21 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Slipstream]
    #1962318 - 09/29/03 09:02 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Teonan - your points are valid.
But as you know, when panaeolus cyanescens is dried it shrivels up to nothing - literally stems the size of human hair. So to consume a gram of dried bluemeanies would literally be a lot of mushrooms.
Id wager that upwards of maybe 14-20 pans would be needed to get the weight up to 1 gram. Where as, as we know, woodlovers tend to dry quite substantially - only slightly less material than cubensis, and usually one or two dried woodlovers will get your weight to 1 gram. So by dry weight we would be comparing one to three fruitbodies of azurescens/cyanescens/subaeruginosa with 15 or so dried pans. Both of these might be a lightweight dose, but still you'd be looking at around 3 grams of dried material of cubensis to even get you started. I cannot really say from bioassay how much more these are more potent than cubensis. What i do know is that i can eat a whole tray full of meaty cubensis, 20 or so fresh pans with are much easier to stomach, or 3 to 5 fresh subaeruginosa and id be in the same boat.
I prefer the experience from subaeruginosa as well - i find it much more pleasant than cubensis (this could just be my stomach/body/ and this mind complaining about eating so much material)


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1962714 - 09/29/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Copelandia is or closely related to Pannaeolus. Psilocybe is closer to Stropharia. I have heard Psiloybe cyanescens is the most potent of the mushrooms. Also I have heard you must eat many Pan. to get close to cubensis.

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1964831 - 09/30/03 12:48 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Yes I know bluemeanie.  When you live where I live you don't get access to cold weather potent Psilocybes, so you eat what is the best in your environment.

:heart: Copelandias.  I am sure I would love the P. australianas TOO. :grin:

 

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1965762 - 09/30/03 11:17 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Those outdoor pics are one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen, Anno.

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Jack_Straw]
    #1966133 - 09/30/03 01:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Grow both! Ps Cyan is easy to get going in sawdust and then in hardwood chips outdoors. Once it's done it just needs a bit of water perhaps and is otherwise left alone, and will fruit (at least in norther climates where it cools off to 10 degrees C or so). Meanwhile you can do the Pan Cyan's inside.

Best yet you can do your own comparison and report back. Ah the things people do for science

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Werecat]
    #1967170 - 09/30/03 06:51 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Azures don't seem to care much for aspen bedding.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #5414322 - 03/17/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

that seems to suggest that the potency of pans equates to the potency of psilocybe cyanescens - and it doesnt.
Woodlovers are the most potent psilocybes - its as simple as that.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5414325 - 03/17/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow man catching up on old threads......... :grin:


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