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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
#1250287 - 01/26/03 12:06 PM (21 years, 6 days ago) |
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No way. Psilicybe Cyanescens and related binomials are easily three times more potent than Psilocybe Cubensis. The average maxima for Cubensis measured is around 15% psilocybin and .40% psilocin (and this is too high i think anyway) - maxima of ps.cyanescens tend to range around 1.2%-1.3% while Australiana, Azurescens and Bohemica which are all closely related to Ps.Cyanescens record maxima of over 2.0% psilocybin if not more. MJ suggests that Ps.Cyanescens in bioassay is more potent by weight than Ps.Azurescens and the alkaloid maxima reported by Gartz are incorrect. Panaeolus cyanesces is certainly potent, but not as potent as Ps.cyanescens by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Slipstream]
#1962318 - 09/29/03 09:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Teonan - your points are valid. But as you know, when panaeolus cyanescens is dried it shrivels up to nothing - literally stems the size of human hair. So to consume a gram of dried bluemeanies would literally be a lot of mushrooms. Id wager that upwards of maybe 14-20 pans would be needed to get the weight up to 1 gram. Where as, as we know, woodlovers tend to dry quite substantially - only slightly less material than cubensis, and usually one or two dried woodlovers will get your weight to 1 gram. So by dry weight we would be comparing one to three fruitbodies of azurescens/cyanescens/subaeruginosa with 15 or so dried pans. Both of these might be a lightweight dose, but still you'd be looking at around 3 grams of dried material of cubensis to even get you started. I cannot really say from bioassay how much more these are more potent than cubensis. What i do know is that i can eat a whole tray full of meaty cubensis, 20 or so fresh pans with are much easier to stomach, or 3 to 5 fresh subaeruginosa and id be in the same boat. I prefer the experience from subaeruginosa as well - i find it much more pleasant than cubensis (this could just be my stomach/body/ and this mind complaining about eating so much material)
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
#5414322 - 03/17/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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that seems to suggest that the potency of pans equates to the potency of psilocybe cyanescens - and it doesnt. Woodlovers are the most potent psilocybes - its as simple as that.
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