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Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens
    #1249148 - 01/25/03 11:58 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Ive found both species on the net, as I was looking for an alternate species for a wild patch (rather than cubensis).
The problem is, that at FSRE.org I found the following statement:
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The Panaeolus Cyanescens is also known as the Copelandia Cyanescens. The Copelandia Cyanescens is a very small mushroom, but it's considered one of the most strongest.



But at MushMush.nl , it says:
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(The Psilocybe cyanescens) is a very potent species. People report that these mushrooms contain 2-3 times more active compounds that the average Psilocybe cubensis



The Mushroom Dosage Proggie at the Shroomery only has the Psilocybe , and states , that this is roughly twice as potent as a Cubensis , which would coincide with MushMush.
BUT at Sporeworks, they say the following:
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Panaeolus cyanescens: A small, fast growing mushroom found on dung in pastures and fields. A strong producer of psilocybin, it is considered highly active. Cultivation requires a substrate of manure based composts or pasteurized straw




Could someone just elaborate on both , concerning Potency , Substrate , Regions of possible outdoor cultivation.
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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1249159 - 01/26/03 12:06 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

yea lots of fucking texts are like that . i have got also a text like the potenties about fly agarics.but if you know how to read the instructions they are very funny to have an idea about what is what


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: fugu]
    #1249282 - 01/26/03 02:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: fugu] * 1
    #1249421 - 01/26/03 06:07 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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yea lots of fucking texts are like that . i have got also a text like the potenties about fly agarics.but if you know how to read the instructions they are very funny to have an idea about what is what




and
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Cubensis




What am I to think of these answers?! Im confused!


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1249428 - 01/26/03 06:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i dont know .i just wait for the dinner and i saw nothing was written .so i want to give you a feeling thats all.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1249445 - 01/26/03 06:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

check out the answer to this    cyans query :confused:
posted just a few hours before yours.

hope this helps.   


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: shirley knott]
    #1249463 - 01/26/03 06:41 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

sorry for my previews reply,don't know what happened! this is my correct reply:

cubensis are weaker than psilocybe cyanescens which are weaker than panaeolus(copelandia) cyanescens


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1249479 - 01/26/03 06:54 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Panaeolus cyanescens is a substropical dung inhabiting species.
Not hard to cultivate indoors on dung and straw. Roughly double the potency of Psilocybe cubensis.

Psilocybe cyanescens is a wood decomposing species growing naturally in the temperate zone(in the usa in the pacific northwest, for instance). It needs a coldschock to fruit. Cultivation indoor is very difficult and fruiting unlikely to occur without an elaborate setup. Potency also roughly double the potency of Psilocybe cubensis.

Check out the Cultivation FAQ for the cultivation parameters.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1250287 - 01/26/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

No way.
Psilicybe Cyanescens and related binomials are easily three times more potent than Psilocybe Cubensis.
The average maxima for Cubensis measured is around 15% psilocybin and .40% psilocin (and this is too high i think anyway) - maxima of ps.cyanescens tend to range around 1.2%-1.3% while Australiana, Azurescens and Bohemica which are all closely related to Ps.Cyanescens record maxima of over 2.0% psilocybin if not more.
MJ suggests that Ps.Cyanescens in bioassay is more potent by weight than Ps.Azurescens and the alkaloid maxima reported by Gartz are incorrect.
Panaeolus cyanesces is certainly potent, but not as potent as Ps.cyanescens by any stretch of the imagination.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1250419 - 01/26/03 03:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Do you know what the word "roughly" means?


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1250962 - 01/26/03 07:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think all of those bioassay tests are very misleading.

A one gram sample of dried copelandia contains a significant quantity of actual specimens. A one gram sample of Psilocybe cyanescens COMPLEX, contains sometimes one specimen only. If psilocibin content within a SPECIES is a range, that differs from specimen to specimen, the chances of consuming mushrooms at the high end of the range is increased with the quantity of specimens you consume. You can eat a weak Psilocybe cyanescens that makes up a one gram sample, YOU WILL FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THE SAME WITH COPELANDIAS.

Gram for gram over time, and I would think Copelandias and P.cyanescens are very comparable, I would even give the edge to the Copelandias. I personally think they are about 2.5+ times as strong as Cubensis from personal " Bioassay" on Average. Have had a 1 gram sample that was stronger then a 3 gram sample of cubensis on several occasions. As the sample size increases weight wise, I tend to think the copelandias get even stronger. Have eaten 2 gram samples of Copelandias that felt like 7+ gram samples of cubensis. Anything over 3 grams dry for the copelandias, and I personally HAVE a VERY DIFFICULT TIME comparing Potencies any more.
I think SIZE of SPECIMEN(quantity of specimens in sample) is EXTREMELY important in comparing potencies of SPECIES to SPECIES. Developemental stage to Developemental stage.

Always remeber the Figures Stated are for MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE. Percentage varies from specimen to specimen.

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR AVERAGES and MAXIMUMS from Bluemeanie?







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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251040 - 01/26/03 07:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



Edited by deanofmean (01/26/03 07:44 PM)


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: deanofmean]
    #1251401 - 01/26/03 10:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I locked the other posts and linked to here.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251423 - 01/26/03 10:25 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Re: Gthirteens

>Ok, now of all of these "extemely potent' species which is the easiest to grow
>(indoors) and which has the highest yields?

Panaeolus cyanescens is easy to grow indoors, but the yield is not very high.

Psilocybe cyanescens is easy to grow OUTDOORS and the yield is much, much better.
But it can?t be cultivated easily (in comparable quantity) indoors.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251514 - 01/26/03 11:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

could someone please rate this > ps. azure / cyan "mmgg" for me .

thanks. don't want to waste two months if it's no good.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: shirley knott]
    #1251544 - 01/26/03 11:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn?t work.
The species the tek was tested with was most likely P. cubensis.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251556 - 01/26/03 11:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm, thanks.  *drops document into rubbish bin*
any recommendations for how best to indoor-start my prints of Ps. azures and Ps. semis  ?

i have read all the links in the faqs under 'how are those species cultivated?' but found that most people only succeeded with either a live specimen or agar isolates and a lot of knowhow. if i can get grain spawn to colonise, do i try for wood shavings next? then move straight outdoors at 50-60F ?

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: Anno]
    #1251581 - 01/26/03 11:39 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the reply Anno...

I was just doing some searches on Panaeolus Cyanescens and it seems that if I had any questions about Panaeolus Cyanescens you'd be "the man" to ask... I stumbled accross some of your past grow logs of these beautiful mushies... nice job on those grows man!!  They're soo tripped out looking, tall and skinny :grin:

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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: shirley knott]
    #1251595 - 01/26/03 11:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>any recommendations for how best to indoor-start my prints of Ps. azures and Ps. semis

Yes, streak them on some agar plates.


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Re: Panaeolus cyanescens vs Psilocybe cyanescens [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1251767 - 01/27/03 01:38 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

AND WHAT IS COPELANDIA CYANENSENS THEN???????


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