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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12461571 - 04/26/10 06:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I have a bunch of friend that use and love the E-Cigs but personally i can puff on that stupid thing tell im blue in the face and still want a good old fashioned smoke. I gave mine away and i doubt i'll ever bother getting another.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12461603 - 04/26/10 06:57 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
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Mikeyyork said:
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bardleyrichard said:
But nobody has been "smoking" these e-cigs for long at all so you can't be sure that they don't have any ill effects.




They've been around over 5 years and i've heard nothing but good, my lungs feel great and the white patches on my gums have healed up.
I'll take my chances.




5 years and nothing bad?  Surely you heard about how they have chemicals in them that are normally used in inhalers.





I was speaking in terms of people with ill effects.

They should be properly regulated but not by the medical agency here, they've already said they'll never allow recreational nicotine use.

They've worked with johnson & johnson on anti smoking campaigns before and these vapes threaten their billion £ nicotine replacement industry.
It looks pretty shady.

Their preferred option is an outright ban but there's a second option of putting it off for up to 3 years and that's what everyone's fighting for.

Like i say i know nicotine's regulated here and liquids are produced to a high standard, the sellers are usually enthusiastic vapers.
If they do pass a ban it'll only open up a truly unregulated black market.


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I have a bunch of friend that use and love the E-Cigs but personally i can puff on that stupid thing tell im blue in the face and still want a good old fashioned smoke. I gave mine away and i doubt i'll ever bother getting another.




Some are better than others, mine with the 36mg liquid does the trick,, :wink:.

Edited by Mike_yy (04/26/10 07:16 PM)

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12461817 - 04/26/10 07:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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GoshAllMighty said:
Cigarettes cause cancer




there's a link to lung cancer from cigarettes, to claim that cigarettes
cause cancer seems to ignore the millions that smoke and never develop
any form of cancer, Jackie Gleason smoked 5 packs of cigarettes each day
for most of his life, there were no signs that he was developing cancer
at the time of his death

by the same token, marijuana was also linked to lung cancer and it
damages your DNA



You're right that given our current ethical standards, we cannot actually prove that cigarettes cause cancer. However to deny the correlation outright is rather ridiculous. Would you be satisfied if he had said cigarettes can increase the risk of cancer? since cigarettes do not necessarily cause cancer but we are pretty dang sure they are capable.

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I assume we should all give up marijuana because it contains 420
harmful chemicals that cause cancer (I tossed in all this misinformation
since it seems to be the theme of the thread)


does it rly contain exactly 420


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: GoshAllMighty]
    #12461882 - 04/26/10 08:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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GoshAllMighty said:
Let me let you all in on a ancient shaman technique:

                          Inhaling smoke, intaking drugs, blowing out smoke *repeat until satisfied*

Please flame any content with Rachel Ray on it, she hates you, and shes hate your drugs, you silly primates.

Rachel Ray Talks about Banning Ecigs:


If any of my shaman Shroomery brothers and sisters are still smoking analog smokes, please consider getting the same effects and drugs from a ecig.

Ecig Forums has the best info on quality "smoking" devices:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

Here is a low priced model I recommend($8):
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29043




This sickens me to my core.  This is where the average voting housewife get's a lot of their information.  They cant be trusted to look shit up or think about the ramifications of a ban.  :facepalm:


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12461942 - 04/26/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
Unregulated products are a danger




I dont know if you've noticed, the regulated products are just as bad if
not worse than the unregulated stuff, we have drugs to give you an erection
that cause blndness and death, drugs that help control your blood pressure
that can kill you, most drugs in the market if used over a long period can
cause liver failure, then there's food products that are deemed safe even
though they can cause obesity and diabetes and some that are linked to cancer


so what exactly has regulation of foods and drugs done for us?

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: learningtofly]
    #12461980 - 04/26/10 08:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
You're right that given our current ethical standards, we cannot actually prove that cigarettes cause cancer. However to deny the correlation outright is rather ridiculous. Would you be satisfied if he had said cigarettes can increase the risk of cancer? since cigarettes do not necessarily cause cancer but we are pretty dang sure they are capable.




they can certainly be linked to lung cancer, come to think of it...
marijuana was linked to lung cancer as well, is there a link to
cigarettes and colon cancer, what about pancreatic cancer, we honestly
cant say that cigarettes cause lung cancer because there's plenty of
people that have been smoking for decades that still dont have lung
cancer... what's our real link... genetics, filters, added chemicals

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I assume we should all give up marijuana because it contains 420
harmful chemicals that cause cancer (I tossed in all this misinformation
since it seems to be the theme of the thread)


does it rly contain exactly 420




I stated it was misinformation, it's as good as valid information any day of the week

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12463040 - 04/27/10 12:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

well i see your point, but its only half the equation.  We need to know all the side effects of the unregulated products for comparision.  I guess it would have helped if i had said proper regulation. 

Here's another side topic tho, if it wasn't for regulation, would we be finding out about all the lead toys and tooth paste?  Or, would anything be done about it? 

I guess private citizens could sue, but doesn't the regulation kind of enable them in a way?

Lots of stuff gets past the fda, but they do have large resources that get used to fix some of the problems we have, for example they are responsible for my taco's being cold now.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12463083 - 04/27/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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makaveli8x8 said:
Unregulated products are a danger




I dont know if you've noticed, the regulated products are just as bad if
not worse than the unregulated stuff, we have drugs to give you an erection
that cause blndness and death, drugs that help control your blood pressure
that can kill you, most drugs in the market if used over a long period can
cause liver failure, then there's food products that are deemed safe even
though they can cause obesity and diabetes and some that are linked to cancer


so what exactly has regulation of foods and drugs done for us?



At least those drugs that "cause blindness and death" have a proper warning on them. And just like you said earlier:
Quote:

there's a link to lung cancer from cigarettes, to claim that cigarettes
cause cancer seems to ignore the millions that smoke and never develop
any form of cancer, Jackie Gleason smoked 5 packs of cigarettes each day
for most of his life, there were no signs that he was developing cancer
at the time of his death

by the same token, marijuana was also linked to lung cancer and it
damages your DNA



Just like those pills that "cause blindness":rolleyes:

I like my food and drugs regulated by somebody; the people that are doing aren't regulating exactly as I would, but they sure do a hell of a lot better than buying stuff off the street.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: bardleyrichard]
    #12463342 - 04/27/10 01:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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bardleyrichard said:
I've been slightly afraid of e-cigs for a while now.
They are unregulated, whereas tobacco is not.
I like that I know that there are no additives or "chemicals" that shouldn't be there with my tobacco.
Just organic leaves that have been dried and packaged.

The stuff in the nicotine juice bothers me a little bit.




http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm

^List of 599 additives in cigarettes.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: circularvortex]
    #12463379 - 04/27/10 01:34 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

notice he said organic tobacco tho, altho i imagine there is still some chemicals in it, its surely not 599.

Secondly, if I'm reading that right, that is 599 additives submitted to the gov for approval, that doesn't mean that they are all going to be in your cigarettes.  Maybe they were thinking ahead, and wanted to get a list of materials to work from when creating there products.  Like for example, why try making a soup recipe until you know what is all allowed to put in it first.  Plus, that was 599 additives submitted by like 4 different companys, so divide that number by 4, for starters.

Altho i have heard cigs have lots of chemicals in them, i never bothered do research if it was actually true and how many.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12463397 - 04/27/10 01:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck banning cigarettes. Studies have shown second hand smoke doesn't DO SHIT and people need to stop fucking fussing about stuff that annoys them. Those numbnuts don't understand it's about freedom.

Let alone this electronic cigarette bullshit.

Edited by noticeofeviction (04/27/10 01:40 AM)

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: circularvortex]
    #12474034 - 04/28/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Yup.  Been puffin on this cherry flavored bitch for about 20 minutes here and.....I want a fuckin' cigarette!  How fuckin' shiesty is this?  I wanted an e-cig, not a fucking lollipop. :crankey:





fuck dude, I think you have to tell them the amount of nicotine you want in them. Ive never ordered from them. Its just the same one I order from china. Dont give up hope. The best flavors ever come from:

http://mstsbakery.com/

Top Flavors Purchased:

01. Bananas Fosters Coffee  <fucking awesome
02. French Toast            <fucking awesome
03. Orange Dreamsicle        <fucking awesome
04. Strawberry Cheesecake    < dont know
05. Hot Chocolate            < dont know
06. Cinnamon Roll            < dont know
07. Chocolate Coconut Bar    <fucking awesome
08. French Vanilla          < dont know
09. Blueberry Muffin        < dont know
10. Red Hot Cinnamon Sticks  < dont know

You need to order some PRO flavors from somewhere. You will not regret it. Vaping is all about mixing up the flavors, daily, or weekly. Its the best.

I puff on my ecig all day at work at my desk. I cant live without anymore.


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: GoshAllMighty]
    #12474052 - 04/28/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fuck that bitch... She needs to shut her mouth and get her ass back in the damn kitchen... sorry but i cant stand that woman...:shrug:

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: fliped]
    #12474089 - 04/28/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

To bad the mute button, doesn't work in real life... :hehehe:


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: Brainiac]
    #12474093 - 04/28/10 09:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Brainiac said:
To bad the mute button, doesn't work in real life... :hehehe:



No kidding. I dont understand why she thinks anyone even gives a damn about her opinion.

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: fliped]
    #12474408 - 04/28/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Anything you like can be addictive. I just quit smoking because it made my allergies worse and the smoked made me have lots of wicked buggers. Smoking is pretty satisfying psychologically, as it is giving you dopamine in little bits as you periodically smoke them throughout the day.

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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: GoshAllMighty]
    #12474943 - 04/29/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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GoshAllMighty said:
How to turn marijuana into THC liquid:

http://www.truthtree.com/thc_extract.shtml












The person who wrote this is also addicted to herion :shamwow:

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Make a "spoon" out of the aluminum foil. This takes some practice but you'll get a design that works. Put 6-8 drops of the oil into the "spoon" and hold it about 4" over the flame. It should begin to boil slightly. Don't let it get too close to the flame just yet. It'll cook down and turn very dark brown and begin to make crackling sounds. Now you should lower the spoon so the THC is directly over the flame. The spoon is still face up, we're just really putting the heat to it. Hold the Bic pen tube about 1" above the dark brown area and inhale through the tube. You'll see a white smoke come up from the dark area, this is vaporized THC. Once you have a lungfull, remove the spoon from the flame. You'll feel the effects almost instantly. Exhale and place the spoon back over the flame and inhale again.



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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12475631 - 04/29/10 04:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:

I dont know if you've noticed, the regulated products are just as bad if
not worse than the unregulated stuff



:awethumb:

I remember when I was younger I thought there were REAL GROWNUPS, like people that knew or were trying to know what the fuck we're doing here, as you get older you slowly realize that this is a wet dream. NOW the "grown people" have talk shows talking to other "grown ups" and they are talking about banning the DRUGS you care and love so much. :sad:


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Re: Rachel Ray on Banning Electronic Cigarettes [Re: GoshAllMighty]
    #12476310 - 04/29/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I know, as if vapers are criminals. As if any of us are for ingesting anything it's fucking stupid.
The people who are supposed to be looking after us are deliberately leaving tobacco out of this situation and doing their best to halt research into a healthier mode.

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