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Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek 7
#12472757 - 04/28/10 05:10 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm always trying to evolve my grow-methods into a more efficient and overall increasingly simplistic fashion. I use a Straw/Poo (majority of the mix) substrate. To be exact... :
40% straw 20% lightly composted cow poo 10% Earthworm Castings 10% Coir 10% Verm 5% Coffee 5% Gypsum
...give or take a lil.
With coir based substrates you simply dump boiling water onto a dehydrated brick, DONE! 
A straw/poo based substrate isn't that ez. You gotta pasteurize with the babysitting method  
Thus I came up with this method.
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Boris said: I experimented with a new grow method then I normally do. Was just looking for simplicity, and this method was reluctantly EZer.
I bought a Sterilight container (3.8 liter - Intended to be for food). It was the largest sized container of its style and plastic content (PP-5 Plastic, to resist melting in HIGH heat):

The lid has a silicone gasket seal so its airtight around the lid seam. The lid also has a small vent door to open so it doesn't explode when heated.

Anyhow, I simply filled with my special bulk sub, PCed, cooled, opened and threw in a pint jars worth of spawn (Dancing Tiger), put the lid back on, and shook it up to distribute the spawn through the bulk... All I did for GAE was open that vent door and put a piece of micropore tape over the hole.
A week later:

4 days (after birthed):

Day 5 (after birthed):

Day 6 (After Birthed):

Final harvest just now when I got off fo work. Day 7 (after birthed):


A few people requested I go into detail how I went about doing this. After doing the first trial run of this method, I have found room to work out a few bugs and asphyxiate this more to my specific likings.
As said in the post, all I did for GAE was slap a piece of micropore tape over the steam release vent on the lid of listed container. During colonization it sorta seemed to come to a crawl at around 90% colonization. I figured this might be due to such a tiny GAE hole.
The container I did that project with was $5, kinda costly when you do trays on a large scale in a GH like I do... Thus leading me to my new choice in PP-5 (high heat resistant) plastic container:

These hold basically the same volume as the other container I used before, except these are $5 for 3 ...nuff said
The only modification I will be doing to the bowl is drilling a hole, and siliconeing a synthetic filter disk over the hole. I have in the past found a MUCH more cost efficient way of attaining filter disks apposed to purchasing them from vendors and ect. I ran across some stiff sheets of felt at a hobby store for $1(much like a compressed mat of pollyfill type material)

Now you can just cut them to size and you've saved allot of 
...or you can use a circlet of tyvek also, but with the small filtration values of tyvek your cutting off the efficiency of the GAE, thus one GAE hole might not be enough. So if you decide on tyvek you might wanna put 2,3 holes (whatever arrangement) for GAE ports...
I cut out 2inch circles for this project:

I used a forstner drill bit to drill through the lid. These make a very clean hole. I use them for my grain spawn lids also:

Anyhow, take your drill and SLOWLY / GENTLY drill a hole into your lid with the 1 inch bit:

Then take your silicone and run a bead along the edge of the circular well on the inside surface of the lid:

Drop your filter disk off into the well and compress it neatly into the silicone bead for a good adhesion:

...and there ya have it:

On a side note, when I said:
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Anyhow, take your drill and SLOWLY / GENTLY drill a hole into your lid:
Really, take it ez. I made the mistake of impatiently trying to go fast and one lid turned out like this:


I really like the size of these container cause they uniformly fit 3 excellently into my (23 quart Presto) pressure cooker:
 ________________________________________________________________ Edit: Added 4-29-2010*
On further inspection, I have noticed that when you stack these one on top of the other, the bottom ones GAE port hole is kinda smothered by the top one:

...as you can see here, I am generously hinging the top one away from the bottom just enough to get a pic of how close they are. If I was to let the top one rest all the way down it covers the GAE port. So I will go into further detail on how I personally worked this issue out when loading 3 into my (23 quart Presto) pressure cooker. The exact pressure cooker I use is commonly used by most members I have seen around here, so perhaps this will pinpoint relate to the majority of fellow shroomerites, ...but at the very least you may be stacking more then 2, or 3 on top of each-other in your PC as well, so...
In a quick search for a supply around the house that I could use to prop them directly off of one-n-nuther, I came across these bamboo shish-kabob skewers:

First I added my water to the PC (You can't really tell):

Then just organized/laird spacing the bowls apart with 2 skewers every tier (In a cross-hatch pattern). I guess you could use jar lid bands maybe, but I needed a lower profile method because 3 bowls were a tight, YET PERFECT fit into the PC. Notice how every tier I place the sticks one direction then the next tier I cross hatch them back the opposite direction. This adds more stability to the stack, but perhaps its just my OCD showing

How ever you configure them just make sure they don't come into obstruction with the lids locking mechanism. Also, don't forget to cover the lid with a sheet of foil (Like a PCed jar)

I was really excited how uniformly perfect 3 fit into the PC, utilizing maximum efficiency payload for each PC cycle.
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If you use that tek I made for your next grow, don't stack them any higher then 2. I have PCed 3 at a time before and it was perfectly ok, but once I accidentally left them in the PC for a lil longer then I normally do, and the bottom bowl collapsed under the weight of the two other bowls, and they all leaned over up against the inside of the PC and kinda pushed the sides of the bowl in permanently. The very top one was ok but I lost 2. I have since just been doing 2 at a time and everythings good.
Well... ENJOY!!!

Edited by Boris (04/29/10 06:36 PM)
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12472785 - 04/28/10 05:14 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: CH HELL] 1
#12472887 - 04/28/10 05:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its basically the simplicity of grow bags, except you can reuse these for a lifetime...
You could also implement a injection port into the lid if you wanna do grains in them.
imo a much better choice then paying $20 +Shipping for 10 bags from a vendor...
I like the fact that there sturdy and you don't have to worry about sealing a bag, lining the edge of the PC with lid rings.
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12472978 - 04/28/10 05:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice job
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12473167 - 04/28/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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you kick large amounts of arse.
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: prismism] 1
#12473194 - 04/28/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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prismism said: you kick large amounts of arse.

-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12473347 - 04/28/10 06:52 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hell yea!! With this I'll start my next project. for making this Tek!
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: RoughNex] 1
#12473375 - 04/28/10 06:58 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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RoughNex said: Hell yea!! With this I'll start my next project. for making this Tek!
I mainly got off my ass and did it for you !
-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12473462 - 04/28/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're a saint! lol very much appreciated!
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: RoughNex] 1
#12473730 - 04/28/10 07:55 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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The glad containers are sketchy to me. Do you know the temperature resistance?
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: linkin17222] 1
#12473748 - 04/28/10 08:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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the felt is awesome! what an idea... i was just looking at these easter baskets my kids have and it's made of the thick stiff felt. and then sitting there on the throne, it hit me,... filters!
so boris, how well do they hold up to a pc? that's the only thing i was worried about, so long as they don't don't melt i think that stuff should work great.
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: zigzag] 1
#12473882 - 04/28/10 08:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pretty cool. Much respect to people who make detailed teks like this with great pictures.
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: SillyBilly] 1
#12475143 - 04/29/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i love it. i started useing something close to those about 3 month ago for no other reason other than i was so sick of trying to put the damn poly fill in the lids. to you for writing it out!
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: linkin17222] 1
#12476529 - 04/29/10 10:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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linkin17222 said: The glad containers are sketchy to me. Do you know the temperature resistance?

PP-5 plastic is microwave safe grade plastic. There is a grade higher called called oven trays (oven-safe) that can withstand the extreme heats of an oven, but all of those containers I seen were small. These PP-5 bowls can withstand a PC cycle with ease. Without even the SLIGHTEST warping.
-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: zigzag] 1
#12476570 - 04/29/10 10:16 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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zigzag said: the felt is awesome! what an idea... i was just looking at these easter baskets my kids have and it's made of the thick stiff felt. and then sitting there on the throne, it hit me,... filters!
so boris, how well do they hold up to a pc? that's the only thing i was worried about, so long as they don't don't melt i think that stuff should work great.
Sorry I'm getting to these so late, but I went out and did some drinkn' last night. 
Anyhow, like I explained in the tek, the felts texture looks like its just a compressed sheet of pollyfil. I would almost bet money that its the same exact material (pollyfill)...
They have withstood MANY PC cycles over the years.
-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
Edited by Boris (05/03/10 09:33 PM)
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12476643 - 04/29/10 10:28 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Boris said:
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zigzag said: the felt is awesome! what an idea... i was just looking at these easter baskets my kids have and it's made of the thick stiff felt. and then sitting there on the throne, it hit me,... filters!
so boris, how well do they hold up to a pc? that's the only thing i was worried about, so long as they don't don't melt i think that stuff should work great.
Sorry I'm getting to these so late, but I went out and did some drinkn' last night. 
Anyhow, like I explained in the tek, the felts texture looks like its just a compressed sheet of pollyfil. I would almost bet money that its the same exact material...
They have withstood MANY PC cycles over the years.

You would almost lose that bet. Filter disks are needle punched polyester felt. However, one side is heat treated to make them less porious to air. Hold a filter disk next to yours & you will see the differance. Yours are not needle punched, nor is one side heat treated.
Edited by myco.alchemist (04/29/10 10:36 AM)
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: myco.alchemist] 1
#12476677 - 04/29/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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myco.alchemist said:
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Boris said:
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zigzag said: the felt is awesome! what an idea... i was just looking at these easter baskets my kids have and it's made of the thick stiff felt. and then sitting there on the throne, it hit me,... filters!
so boris, how well do they hold up to a pc? that's the only thing i was worried about, so long as they don't don't melt i think that stuff should work great.
Sorry I'm getting to these so late, but I went out and did some drinkn' last night. 
Anyhow, like I explained in the tek, the felts texture looks like its just a compressed sheet of pollyfil. I would almost bet money that its the same exact material...
They have withstood MANY PC cycles over the years.

You would lose that bet.
Well, you could simply correct me, or nicely fill me in on what material it is to be exact (Not that it matters,but...).
-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
Edited by Boris (04/29/10 10:48 AM)
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12476704 - 04/29/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Say what? My first take was you would lose that bet. I edited my post to say almost, because the material is polyester felt. I was trying to be informative.
You a little grumpy?
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: myco.alchemist] 1
#12476845 - 04/29/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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myco.alchemist said: Say what? My first take was you would lose that bet. I edited my post to say almost, because the material is polyester felt. I was trying to be informative.
You a little grumpy?
Sorry, yeah I just woke up with a lil bit of a hangover 
In the mean time I have been researching felt. I learned that felt is made of wool. My hunch that this stiff felt in not your typical felt but more of a synthetic I came to the conclusion that if it was wool (Sheep, lamb, hair) it would burn and not melt as if it was a plastic, so I did a lil test.

It melts like a plastic/synthetic. ...GD it my apt smells like ass now
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Filter disks are needle punched polyester felt. However, one side is heat treated to make them less porious to air.
Perhaps mine aren't extra special like those, but do you think a PC run would heat treat them ? On a side note, these have have worked for me, for years...
-------------------- AMU Terence McKenna Said: "We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world."
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Re: Boris's GH Trays (Bulk done EZer) -Tek [Re: Boris] 1
#12476884 - 04/29/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You use a polyester felt, not a natural organic wool type type. Hey, I know some types work, as I use them. I was not disputing that it did. Polyester felt is good stuff. Great filtration properties. Same as polyfil
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