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Bentley



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Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? 1
#12465841 - 04/27/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12465877 - 04/27/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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you consolidate cakes not monotubs. once the surface is 100% colonized and completely covered in myc then you introduce fruiting conditions.
if you consolidate a monotub your not going to improve flushes.
with monos its about introducing the pinning triggers at the right times to initiate pinning then fruiting. 

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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12465996 - 04/27/10 02:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is a pic of the whole tub so far, I HATE opening it, opening it slightly to take a pic and a tiny bit of light for some seconds won't induce fruiting right? what's your opinion on it. Thanks 13
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12466048 - 04/27/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have all my colonizing jars and trays/tubs in the light 12/12 cuz light wont trigger pinning unless most other pinning triggers are present. 
    
but FAE will cause premature pinning and uneven pinsets/flushes if introduced too early (opening to check/take pics) cuz its the #1 pinning trigger after full colonization. 
use clear lids or plastic wrap to view progress.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466078 - 04/27/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a plastic top but its full of condensation and water droplets. How's it looking in your opinion? Maybe a day or two away from fruiting?
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466116 - 04/27/10 02:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: but FAE will cause premature pinning and uneven pinsets/flushes if introduced too early (opening to check/take pics) cuz its the #1 pinning trigger after full colonization. 
The evaporation of moisture from the sub is #1, but FAE is still baller status too.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12466137 - 04/27/10 02:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah I get alot of condensation also. just dont let it pool up once you put it into fruiting conditions. 
let those lil uncolonized spots close up then fruit it. if they dont close up in a day or so then fruit it anyway cuz its not going to finish at that point.
yours look like they will finish in a day or so. your all good.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Boris] 1
#12466153 - 04/27/10 02:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: but FAE will cause premature pinning and uneven pinsets/flushes if introduced too early (opening to check/take pics) cuz its the #1 pinning trigger after full colonization. 
The evaporation of moisture from the sub is #1, but FAE is still baller status too.
are you just following me around to bust my balls 
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466186 - 04/27/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Theres no way I could know where your gunna go next, your just being a post whore on a TC badge mission.
     
    
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Boris] 1
#12466210 - 04/27/10 02:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Boris said:
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13shrooms said: but FAE will cause premature pinning and uneven pinsets/flushes if introduced too early (opening to check/take pics) cuz its the #1 pinning trigger after full colonization. 
The evaporation of moisture from the sub is #1, but FAE is still baller status too.
FAE is what causes moisture to wick/evaporate off the subs. thats why we always mist then fan.
The evaporation of moisture from the sub is a product mainly of FAE
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Shea25] 1
#12466230 - 04/27/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its gunna be ok Shea, I promise
*gently pats you on the head*
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466234 - 04/27/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think it's fair to say the idea behind a "consolidation" time is just to ensure that your substrate is fully colonized.
But not quite....
There are a lot of different opinions on the matter.
If you want to hear two differing opinions on this subject read posts by Hyphae and RogerRabbit. One says %95 and the other advises %110. Plenty of the T.C.s have decent posts on this matter.
I've tried both ways, starting with M.S. inoculant. I've had nice full trays fruiting cubensis at roughly %95 colonization....but, you do have to wait a bit longer for the fruiting. In contrast, I've fruited numerous trays and some tubs that were given a few days extra colonization time- I can still get a beautiful pinset.
**M.S. trays, given more FAE than a traditional mono tub, will often give better pinsets than the mono. This is regardless of what the fruits look like. I am just adding this in here so that when i discuss my observations about often seeing great pinsets starting with multispore, you understand it's because i have very well cared for tray projects. This isn't saying something bad about mono tubs, but I do see some dense pinsets when i have a bit more control of the substrates fruiting environment than the traditional mono.
So what I think: I think the extra colonization/consolidation period is far more beneficial for many other species of mushrooms than it is for cubensis. But, (here's your short answer) I would absolutely give your substrate a couple or a few days past what first looks to be %100 colonization. Fruit earlier and it takes a little longer- during the extra colonization/consolidation time the mycelium has plenty of moisture and obviously plenty of nutrients.
Just my opinion, based on experience, and reading the different ideas behind the teks. ~P~
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Psuper] 1
#12466254 - 04/27/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466274 - 04/27/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks a bunch guys, Iv noticed that wrapping up your tub with a black garbage bag helps colonize your sub twice as fast. Keeps co2 sky high. Ill be doing a grow log. I used PE spawn and Ecuador spawn mixed them both up with horse poo, I love horse poo. But will be trying coir soon.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12466297 - 04/27/10 02:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just got access to Hpoo. its a better sub material than coir IMO but coir is easy peezy and not crumbling terds to get your sub consistancy correct is a plus.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466390 - 04/27/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I drive up north maybe 45 min, there are hundreds of barns and breeders. I ask them for a pitchfork and get the poo FRESH. They have piles that have been weathered but they add like wood chips and all kinds of crap. So I get it straight from the horses ass. They even show me what they feed them : ). gotta love South Florida!
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12466454 - 04/27/10 03:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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So what's the verdict? There's mixed opinions on this matter. Ill give it 2 days after its colonized just to play it safe. I also don't want my sub to dry out letting it too long.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: Bentley] 1
#12466788 - 04/27/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds good, you will be fine either way, with the differences in opinion fruiting too early is worse that too late.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12466874 - 04/27/10 04:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks, will do.
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Re: Consolidating a mono-tub really improve yield and over all results? [Re: 13shrooms] 1
#12467055 - 04/27/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: you consolidate cakes not monotubs. once the surface is 100% colonized and completely covered in myc then you introduce fruiting conditions.
Actually, ANY substrate will benefit from consolidation. It's a well known and followed practice. Let the mycelium digest some of the food available, and then introduce to fruiting. This results in more of your final product being produced during first and second flush, so you can dump the tray and replace it with a fresh one, making best use of fruiting area real estate. RR
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