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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: yogabunny]
    #12465258 - 04/27/10 12:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Kind of weird I just learned about Krishnamacharya and Brahmachari in a class of mine today. :cool:

It seems like most Westerners leave out the whole mind aspect of Yoga, and focus solely on the positions. I could be wrong though... never went to a Yoga class or anything.

Very interesting to learn about this though. The parallels between all the meditative traditions is astronomical.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #12465351 - 04/27/10 12:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Kind of weird I just learned about Krishnamacharya and Brahmachari in a class of mine today. :cool:

It seems like most Westerners leave out the whole mind aspect of Yoga, and focus solely on the positions. I could be wrong though... never went to a Yoga class or anything.

Very interesting to learn about this though. The parallels between all the meditative traditions is astronomical.





oh how serendipitous!

in the west the focus is most definitely on postures.  i think it's because it's a palatable and approachable form of practice.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: yogabunny]
    #12465707 - 04/27/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yoga Bunny...this is awesome. I am not a yoga student (though I have tried), but I am a religious scholar who studies South Asian religion. Naturally the topic of yoga comes up all the time and most people see it only as an exercise. I thought I would throw in a couple of things:

The Hatha Yoga Tradition was (mythically) begun by the Nath Yogi Matsyendranath back in the middle ages, though what we call Hatha yoga today along with the plethora of asanas is only roughly 100 years old or so. Nath Yogis as well as their contempoararies (possibly the same people) the Rasa Yogis were concerned with creating immortal bodies through the internal alchemical production of amrita (the nectar of immortality). If you are interested in this check out David Gordon White's book The Alchemical Body.

Another great place to find the definition of yoga is in the Bhagavadgita. In this work you find krishna giving his three part division of yoga. Jnana Yoga is the yoga of knowledge and is a path of study and meditation. Karma Yoga is the path of action and involves giving up the fruits of all actions to God and thereby giving up any attachment to the ephemeral things of this world. Enjoy them while they are there, but give them to god when they are gone. Finally Krishna claims the best practice of yoga is Bhakti; the yoga of devotion. This path is one in which the practitioner gives up trying to find release themselves and instead gives everything up to god. By God's grace alone one can find liberation.

A new book just that just came out last year called Sinister Yogis by that same guy, David Gordon White, discusses the origin of yoga before the term became popularly described as a path to liberation. In folktales etc., Yogis are often the villain. They are a marginalized society who are considered dangerous and powerful. In Patanjali's Yoga Sutra, nearly 1/3 of the work is dedicated to the siddhis (accomplishments or powers) that can be attained through yogic practice. These powers of flight, soul transfer, etc. are what yogis were known for before the time of Patanjali. Often these characters are shapeshifters with a lust for power who will transfer their souls from body to body. Pretty crazy.

I might think of some more cool facts as time goes by. Right now I am doing research into Tantric yoga and the power of transgression. It is extremely fascinating. Anyways...that's my two cents. Thanks for starting this thread Yoga Bunny. There are a lot of misconceptions about the East and it is good to learn about these traditions because 1) they can be beneficial and 2) because in a global society it is good to know about other people's spiritual practices. Nothing says more about a society (in my opinion) than their spirituality.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: kcobra15]
    #12465758 - 04/27/10 01:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Often these characters are shapeshifters with a lust for power who will transfer their souls from body to body.






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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: deCypher]
    #12465811 - 04/27/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

ET = esoteric tantrika


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: kcobra15]
    #12465897 - 04/27/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Light On Yoga by BKS Iyengar is a must read for all those interested.

The posture is just ONE part of yoga. And to say that asanas are only 100 years old is pretty silly. Yogis have been practicing (including forms of posture) for a looooong time. Just because it has recently been documented doesn't mean it's a modern thing.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: wellage]
    #12465934 - 04/27/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Word...I meant the asanas as we know them today. Originally asana was just a comfortable position for meditation. Then they were developed further by the Nath yogis. Then the Hatha Yoga Pradipika (Sp?) came along with more development I believe. But the modern set of postures that are common today were organized only roughly 100 - 150 years ago. Thats a fact. Beyond that point I loose interest...I mean it is still interesting but I haven't picked up anything on it because my research has more to do with yoga's origins and Tantra.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: Chronic7]
    #12467448 - 04/27/10 06:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I dont know much about yoga but I have a relative that is a yoga teacher, and I am planning on taking weekly lessons. I am at the moment learning self defense, and I thought yoga could help my breathing so as to not loose myself and panic when dealing with stressful confruntations like bar fights, which I happen to get quite alot of. (bloody fascistes cant accept foreigners) Ive recently been in another fight (basically three on me for no reason whatsoever) and felt this panic which really didnt help at all. not like more awareness that could be usefull in a fight, but panic. anyway ended up glass on my head 5 staples, I digress...(I felt like the punches I gave one guy in the stomach had nothing behind them, as if I was a feather)
Do you think yoga would be usefull to eliminate that panic and be able to anticipate and react properly?




Yoga shouldnt be used to make you a better bar fighter, but if your bouncer It can most diffidently help. That is because you are getting allowing better brain connection to your body.

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I know its not just stretching...

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Also keep in mind that these changes start in the body and then, with continued practice, manifest in the mind.




Thats what im poking at you to focus on, on why its a spiritual practice
The bodily benefits of it in my experience are secondary





Practicing yoga increases endricine power, whichi n tern emotionally amplifies things.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: yogabunny]
    #12467787 - 04/27/10 07:01 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

why don't people just investigate it themselves through either the internet or their library or one of the millions of millions of sites that can be found using a google search?

i hope that if people are really interested enough in something they'll have enough motivation to do some research and learn from the greatest source they can.

i'm not taking a shot at you, but just as i wouldn't feel completely sure that i might be able to portray any subject as well as i know many of the great thinkers who have spent lifetimes working towards complete understanding of their chosen studies, i don't expect you to be able to give each and every member of the shroomery as well rounded an explanation of yoga as any of the many gurus, sadhus, etc...who have studied the subject.

on top of that, how do you plan to completely portray each and every type of yoga philosophy there is?

here's a start for you guys everyone, you can bookmark this, it'll point you all in the right direction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga

yogabunny i know you could share with everyone the sources of your understanding of yoga, whether that be authors, gurus, or websites.

good luck everyone, i'm so happy to hear that there's so much interest in yoga.

on an acid trip three years ago my life changed when i decided to begin experiencing the world through such a great discipline.  my path has become much clearer, and i will pray for all of you to have a wonderful experience as well.

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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: yogabunny]
    #12468015 - 04/27/10 07:41 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Cool thread idea

Yogabunny, are you doing general Q A here? I was wondering if you have any practical advice for someone with Scoliosis.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: stzacrack]
    #12468020 - 04/27/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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why don't people just investigate it themselves through either the internet or their library or one of the millions of millions of sites that can be found using a google search?




Because it's nice to sometimes be able to do Q&A sessions with knowledgeable people, you know, like on forums and stuff.

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Yogabunny, are you doing general Q A here? I was wondering if you have any practical advice for someone with Scoliosis.




I still need to learn better reaction time in a bar fight.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: deCypher] * 2
    #12468043 - 04/27/10 07:46 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Drink less? O I know, ridiculous


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: Chronic7]
    #12468063 - 04/27/10 07:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I would like to know how Hatha Yoga came about as a Yoga method & not just a physical exercise.

Before i even thought of taking up Hatha Yoga, it felt really good to stretch and get deep into the stretch.
I reckon if we listened to our bodies more we'd naturally do yoga without even having lessons.




I do believe Sri Krishnamacharya had a big part in developing the asanas into the series of postures that modern asana, or yoga is based on.


In the Sutras, Asana is barely mentioned, I think they are mentioned maybe 3 times between the 4 Padas (Books/Chapters)?  The one I know off the top of my head is:

"Shtira Sukha Asanam"

"Asana is a steady, comfortable posture" 

Then they are mentioned again when Patanjali lists the eight limbs: Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi




But why in your opinion is deep stretching a spiritual thing?



Well, body=mind, and if your body is deeply relaxed and not tense then your mind will often follow suit.  I think of yoga as my most reliable tool to deal with any physical tension.  Smoking weed+doing yoga=:awesome:

I've been told that the first yogis created the postures when their bodies spontaneously moved into those positions.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: g00ru]
    #12468099 - 04/27/10 07:54 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I do find it interesting how my emotions have real Physical effects on my body. Like if I have anxiety i do things, like Pant, or if im scared i tense up hardcore.

Lol in terms of weed, i have a problem. When I smoke weed I cant feel any pain so I cant tell if im fucking myself up in a asana loll. Or like stretching and hurting myself, cause I cant feel anything!!!


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: yogabunny]
    #12468455 - 04/27/10 09:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

great thread!

lots of good info so far

I've been practicing and studying yoga only a year so I guess I'll have some questions when I'm not so high

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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: Primal Glitch]
    #12468674 - 04/27/10 09:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'm interested on dream yoga.
Or any kind of meditation centered around the dream state.

What are the practices related to cultivating dream yoga?
What are the goals of these practices?


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #12468681 - 04/27/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I do find it interesting how my emotions have real Physical effects on my body. Like if I have anxiety i do things, like Pant, or if im scared i tense up hardcore.




The body also affects the mind, which is where asanas come into play.

Asanas+rhythmic breathing=quiet mind


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: daytripper23]
    #12468850 - 04/27/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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why don't people just investigate it themselves through either the internet or their library or one of the millions of millions of sites that can be found using a google search?

i hope that if people are really interested enough in something they'll have enough motivation to do some research and learn from the greatest source they can.

i'm not taking a shot at you, but just as i wouldn't feel completely sure that i might be able to portray any subject as well as i know many of the great thinkers who have spent lifetimes working towards complete understanding of their chosen studies, i don't expect you to be able to give each and every member of the shroomery as well rounded an explanation of yoga as any of the many gurus, sadhus, etc...who have studied the subject.

on top of that, how do you plan to completely portray each and every type of yoga philosophy there is?

here's a start for you guys everyone, you can bookmark this, it'll point you all in the right direction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga

yogabunny i know you could share with everyone the sources of your understanding of yoga, whether that be authors, gurus, or websites.

good luck everyone, i'm so happy to hear that there's so much interest in yoga.

on an acid trip three years ago my life changed when i decided to begin experiencing the world through such a great discipline.  my path has become much clearer, and i will pray for all of you to have a wonderful experience as well.

peaceeee




first of all, there is only one philosophy, but many paths.  i do not presume to think that i can, in my limited experience, explain all the many paths toward yoga. 


i think sometimes people prefer to gain knowledge from others with practical experience.  im not saying i am a guru, BY ANY MEANS, but maybe i have some ideas to share from 10 years of practice and study to become a teacher. 

most of what i've shared was taught to me by my teachers over the years (most notably those in my teacher training and at the Sivananda Ashram in upstate NY), and from the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (as translated by Sri Swami Satchitananda

Also, as someone already pointed out, asana existed long before the middle ages.  However, it was perhaps around  that time that postures as we know them today started to develop and expand.
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Light On Yoga by BKS Iyengar is a must read for all those interested.

The posture is just ONE part of yoga. And to say that asanas are only 100 years old is pretty silly. Yogis have been practicing (including forms of posture) for a looooong time. Just because it has recently been documented doesn't mean it's a modern thing.



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Light On Yoga by BKS Iyengar is a must read for all those interested.







YES!!!  i could not agree more.  also by Mr. Iyengar "Light on Life"


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Cool thread idea

Yogabunny, are you doing general Q A here? I was wondering if you have any practical advice for someone with Scoliosis.





yes, i am happy to.  Asana is my specialty, y'all!  (FYI)

:pm: me

i taught a scoliosis workshop recently.


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Re: Yoga 101? [Re: wellage]
    #12468937 - 04/27/10 10:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Light On Yoga by BKS Iyengar is a must read for all those interested.

The posture is just ONE part of yoga. And to say that asanas are only 100 years old is pretty silly. Yogis have been practicing (including forms of posture) for a looooong time. Just because it has recently been documented doesn't mean it's a modern thing.




http://www.amazon.com/Light-Yoga-Bible-Modern-Yoga/dp/0805210318

just to emphasize how much i love this book


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