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#12464016 - 04/27/10 08:17 AM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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Me and my gf split and and she was really pissed at me. She went andtold the cops there was child porn in my computer. The got a search warrent and kicked in my door and took all my computer equipment. They aren't going to find any kiddie shit but I do go to jj.am and I'm wondering if that is going to get me in trouble. I talked to a lawyer and he said if I get off on the charges that I can sue them. He also said if I'm found guilty that I'm going to state prison. He said that they have to prove that I wanted the pictures on the computer.
He sai that if u go to any porn sites the chances of child porn being on your compter are good just because porn sites r shady. He said if there are 2000 mature women pics and 4 kiddie pics it will b easy to prove you didn't want those. But jj.am has younger looking girls and I'm worried if there is even 1 pic of a kiddie them I'm in trouble. What do you think? Is jj.am legit?
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yer fuct
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anyone care to help?
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KBG1977
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If your worrying,then you had some pictures on there Buddy
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The fuck is jj?
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That blows that ur girl is such an unbelievable bitch. Hopefully you sue her into poverty for slander if your name is cleared. A professor of mine in college once told us a story of a friend of his who went to prison for child porn despite allegedly never actively seeking it out. It supposedly just ended up on the hard drive from visiting normal adult porn sites. Maybe you'll have to hire a computer forensics expert like this guy.
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Here's a lesson for computer neophytes -- when you get accused of having child porn on your computer, subsequently get fired, lose your friends and family and face prosecution -- hire a computer forensic expert to clear your name -- assuming you're innocent of course.
That's what Michael Fiola, a former employee of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts did after getting fired for having child porn on his laptop. After a cursory examination, state investigators did in fact find child porn, which Fiola swore he didn't download and wouldn't even know how.
With charges that he downloaded images of child pornography onto his notebook filed against him, the 53-year-old Fiola became a pariah in his community, was shunned by friends and family and watched his wife develop a stress-related illness.
Fiola finally hired forensic computer expert Tami Loehrs of Tuscon, Ariz. to get to the bottom of the nightmare. The trouble began after Fiola, an investigator for the Department of Industrial Accidents, was issued a new laptop by the DIA in Nov. 2006 after his originally-issued laptop was stolen.
The replacement was a Dell (NSDQ:Dell) laptop computer equipped with a Dell broadband wireless card and Internet access through Verizon (NYSE:VZ) wireless, according to Loehrs' forensic report. The laptop was configured earlier that day.
But by March 2007, an investigator red flagged the computer after reviewing a Verizon wireless bill, noticing abnormally high data activity on Fiola's laptop -- usage was four-and-a-half times greater than any of the other investigators. Several days later, Fiola's laptop was taken and reviewed by investigators who found Website files and images of child pornography in the temporary Internet files folder. Subsequently, Fiola was fired and faced prosecution by the state.
In her examination, Loehrs noted that on certain dates, porn appeared "in the temporary Internet files with no apparent origin or user interaction preceding the pornographic activity. There were no Web site addresses typed into the browser, no searches conducted, no other pages accessed that led to the pornography appearing on the laptop. There are no Symantec (NSDQ:SYMC) logs for this date."
Loehrs said that although Symantec Corporate Edition was previously installed with the computer name BOLLE04 on September 20, 2006, it was reinstalled under the profile for "michaelf."
In addition, "Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT)'s Systems Management server had previously been installed on September 20, 2006 with the computer name BOLLE04 and it appears that the new computer name BOLIN17 was not changed in the SMS software. According to the registry settings, the Windows Firewall was turned off."
The evidence showed that when Fiola used the laptop for the first time on November 20, 2006, he created several shortcuts to work related files such as mileage sheets, accessed several work-related Web sites, including Massachusetts Municipal Association and added these Web sites to his Internet favorites. Then on November 27, the first evidence of pornographic activity appeared on the computer.
"With no preceding activity by Fiola, a file titled smp[1].htm appears in the temporary Internet files folder," Loehrs wrote in her report. "The forensics software identifies this file type as unknown and the file is not viewable. However, the underlying HTML code includes several URLs in addition to several other unusual files. Because there was no user activity that prompted these files to appear such as an Internet search, access to other Web sites, checking e-mail or downloading files, this suspicious activity is indicative of a virus and/or Trojan that was likely resident on the Laptop when Fiola received," stated Loehrs.
Viruses and Trojans that were found on the laptop included Downloader, a Trojan that is a Windows Metafile image file; DriveCleaner, a rogue application distributed through aggressive pop ups; Feebs Family, malicious JavaScript that is usually embedded in a malicious Web site; and Trojan.ByteVerify.
But Loehrs said that "it is unknown what viruses and Trojans infected the computer during those four and a half months that were not recorded by Symantec or that did not leave a trace in the file system."
In conclusion of her report, Loehrs exonerated Fiola.
"In general, the pornography found in the temporary Internet files folder does not represent activity conducted by a user, specifically Michael Fiola," said Loehrs. "It is evident from reviewing the Symantec logs that the virus protection software was either not configured correctly or was not functioning properly. Log files for November and December are missing and entries for November are incomplete. Once they have been allowed to execute their code, they erase evidence of their tracks making it impossible to assess the damage. While it is impossible to say how badly the laptop was infected while it was in the possession of Michael Fiola, I can say with 100 percent certainty that the laptop was compromised by numerous viruses and Trojans and may have been hacked by outside sources."
According to her assistant, forensic analyst John Hansen, Fiola's computer was initially examined for "a grand total of three hours" by the DIA's IT department and never checked by forensic investigators. By contrast, Hansen said that he and Loehr examined the computer for over a month. Hansen also said that "no one was bothering to check" logs to see if the laptop was experiencing problems.
After Loehr's report was completed, charges were dropped aginst Fiola. "The overall forensics of the laptop suggest that it had been compromised by a virus," said Jake Wark, spokesman for Suffolk District Attorney Daniel Conley, according to the Boston Herald.
As for Fiola, he moved to Rhode Island and now works for another company. The DIA doesn't want him back and told the Boston Herald that it "stands by its decision" in terminating him. The Herald also quotes Fiola saying that he plans on suing the DIA for "destroying our lives."
"Imagine this scenario: your employer gives you a ticking time bomb full of child porn and then you get fired and then you get prosecuted as some kind of freak," Fiola's attorney Timothy Bradl, told the Herald. "Anybody who has a work laptop, this could happen to," he said.
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Im worrying because of the jj.am site. There are no intentionally stored child porn images on the computer. The lawyer I talked to said he costs $10k. He said if we go to a jury trial that we will need a computer forensic analysis but I might hire one from the start. He also said if I win I can sue the state police. I will also sue that cunt for slandering me good name. This bitch is also the mother of my child and she used the computer just as much as I did.
I wonder how I go about finding a local forensic person.
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I think the computer forensic girl in that story was from Texas, while the guy using her services was in Massachusetts. You may not be able to find a local one. Best of luck to you tho. An old friend of mine got busted for child porn a while ago. His was intentional, though, so I'm afraid he's pretty much fucked.
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ya a quick google search brings up a lot in LA. Im on the opposite end though. Found a few semi local. They said until charges are brought up that they obviously cant do anything.
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I would hate to be charged with childporn for stuff in my temp files just because I visit 4chan
It's scary when you can get in trouble with the law just for browsing the internet not even seeking anything out
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Re: Child pornography [Re: Wysefool]
#12465150 - 04/27/10 12:25 PM (14 years, 25 days ago) |
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Wysefool said: I would hate to be charged with childporn for stuff in my temp files just because I visit 4chan
It's scary when you can get in trouble with the law just for browsing the internet not even seeking anything out
this is my same concern. 7chan 4chan and jj.am are prime examples. I need some solid advice.
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Hundreds of years ago they burned people suspected of being witches or consorting with the devil. Now they burn people suspected of visiting forbidden websites.
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There a plenty of legal aged women on 4gifs. Yes, 4gifs. They changed their name. I really think there's not much to worry about. Unless of course you DO have questionable stuff saved.
Then again, I am no lawyer.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: Tripp420]
#12473787 - 04/28/10 08:10 PM (14 years, 24 days ago) |
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I do computer forensics for my company; I don't know where you are (may have missed it), but if you can have someone there image the hard drive onto a new one and mail it to me, I'll write up a full report for you. Odds are they'd want me to appear in court though, and I don't know how likely it would be that I could go. Come to think of it, the prosecutor would probably tear my credibility apart, considering the fact I have an open felony case.
I'll still write you a free report if you want, so at least you could have some preliminary knowledge before you decide to hire someone out.
If you want the absolute best in the field (IMO), I believe Kevin Mitnick will do this sort of thing, but more likely than not will cost you at least 10k.
EDIT: I wish you the best of luck, assuming you're innocent. Don't let the legal system bend you over and fuck you in the ass.
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If you want the absolute best in the field (IMO), I believe Kevin Mitnick will do this sort of thing, but more likely than not will cost you at least 10k.
Is Kevin Mitnick really the best in the field?
I know he is a nice guy and I have hung out with him a few times, but I am not sure that porn forensics is what he is good at. Perhaps he has been practicing recently, but he has traditionally been more of a social engineer.
My feeling is that the prosecutor will not charge OP when the drive is reviewed. If you do get charged its time to hire a lawyer and computer forensics guy.
OP, Its a crappy situation and I am sorry that your ex-gf / mother of your child has chosen this path. I wonder if she went to the cops on the advice of a lawyer in order to get sole access to the kid? Some shady lawyers advise underhanded tactics like that.
I reviewed the site (jj.am / 4gifs) and there is definitely a lot of child pornography there. But the girls appear to be aged 16 - 18 so its not the type of thing that prosecutors will usually charge you with. Usually they don't make a case out of it unless the girls are a bit younger.
If everyone used full drive encryption / filevault / truecrypt these types of cases wouldn't happen.
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haha, you would hang out with him
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If you want the absolute best in the field (IMO), I believe Kevin Mitnick will do this sort of thing, but more likely than not will cost you at least 10k.
Is Kevin Mitnick really the best in the field?
I know he is a nice guy and I have hung out with him a few times, but I am not sure that porn forensics is what he is good at. Perhaps he has been practicing recently, but he has traditionally been more of a social engineer.
My feeling is that the prosecutor will not charge OP when the drive is reviewed. If you do get charged its time to hire a lawyer and computer forensics guy.
OP, Its a crappy situation and I am sorry that your ex-gf / mother of your child has chosen this path. I wonder if she went to the cops on the advice of a lawyer in order to get sole access to the kid? Some shady lawyers advise underhanded tactics like that.
I reviewed the site (jj.am / 4gifs) and there is definitely a lot of child pornography there. But the girls appear to be aged 16 - 18 so its not the type of thing that prosecutors will usually charge you with. Usually they don't make a case out of it unless the girls are a bit younger.
If everyone used full drive encryption / filevault / truecrypt these types of cases wouldn't happen.
You have meet Kevin before?! Jesus. He's not my idol, but he is just a legend to me.
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I guess I really don't have a lot to back that up, but I figure since he is considered by many to be one of the best hackers/social engineers, he probably has some of the best hackers working for his multi-million dollar security company. Makes sense to me anyway.
But yea, holy fuck, when did you hang out with Mitnick? Pre or post getting busted by the feds (the second time)?
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But yea, holy fuck, when did you hang out with Mitnick? Pre or post getting busted by the feds (the second time)?
I have hung out with him at Defcon several different years. Usually over beers in a bar.
He is real cool and down to earth. Unlike most hackers he is easy to talk to and sociable.
This was after his second bust, 2003 - 2009 timeframe.
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well take solace in that if you are cleared of this at the expense of a lawyer, you can sue the shit out of your ex to stick her with the fees
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Hmmm, i've never browsed porn on the net, so its scary to know this could happen.
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Unlike most hackers he is easy to talk to and sociable.
Doesn't surprise me, considering what he's known for.
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You have meet Kevin before?!
Met him at a book signing a few years back. Awesome guy, very laid back dude.
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jj.am definitely has CP on it. I have seen a picture of a friend of mine on there back when she was 15, honestly.. That site is full of CP.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: Buckthorn]
#12492167 - 05/02/10 03:16 AM (14 years, 20 days ago) |
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Of course you should be happy you can sue them. On the other note everyones gonna know you jerk off to porn.
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What is jj??? I wanna check it out;)
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juslikejesus said: Of course you should be happy you can sue them. On the other note everyones gonna know you jerk off to porn.
Dude, if you have internet access and don't look at porn, you're wasting your computer.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: KBG1977]
#12497474 - 05/03/10 04:17 AM (14 years, 19 days ago) |
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KBG1977 said: What is jj??? I wanna check it out;)
this http://imagefap.com/gallery.php
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Re: Child pornography [Re: John]
#12498008 - 05/03/10 09:19 AM (14 years, 19 days ago) |
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lol
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Re: Child pornography [Re: John]
#12499324 - 05/03/10 02:17 PM (14 years, 19 days ago) |
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Is that fucking real
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Re: Child pornography [Re: Buckthorn]
#12499541 - 05/03/10 02:52 PM (14 years, 19 days ago) |
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Lol. Once you get past the underaged women, there are some funny GIFs on that site. 4gifs.com
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Re: Child pornography [Re: Tripp420]
#12512778 - 05/05/10 07:39 PM (14 years, 17 days ago) |
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Good site
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Re: Child pornography [Re: KBG1977]
#12578599 - 05/17/10 12:20 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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I haven't heard anything yet.... I paid a lawyer to file a petition to get my shit back. To the person willing to review my drive, thanks.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: John]
#12579902 - 05/17/10 03:44 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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KBG1977 said: What is jj??? I wanna check it out;)
this http://imagefap.com/gallery.php
It says they reported my IP for using a "banned" search word.
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i surf 4chan and occasionally look at jjam. i don't view anything remotely questionable though. cp, gore, all of that stuff grosses me out and i'd rather just look at the funny. from my understanding you have to have the stuff saved on your pc anyway and if you're not looking at it i don't see how it could be on there. also, if you're exonerated your ex will be brought up on charges for supplying a false charge, which if i recall is a felony.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: millzy]
#12580566 - 05/17/10 05:24 PM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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also, if you're exonerated your ex will be brought up on charges for supplying a false charge, which if i recall is a felony.
This is not necessarily true. Just because they can't prove he did something, doesn't mean he didn't. OP: I'm not saying you did this, ex's can be crazy as hell. For example, I have an open felony case because this kid said I pulled a gun on him. The cops got a warrant to search my house, and found no gun, but they still tried to charge me with 1st degree reckless endangerment even though their only "evidence" was this kid's testimony. At the evidentiary hearing (where the prosecution presents their evidence to a judge to prove they have enough to even charge you in the first place), this kid didn't show, so they dropped that charge, but he hasn't been charged with anything.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
EDIT: btw, "millzy I see you..."
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KBG1977 said: What is jj??? I wanna check it out;)
this http://imagefap.com/gallery.php
It says they reported my IP for using a "banned" search word.
Calm down, its a joke by the admins.
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That's a fucked up joke.
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I dnt see how the people who own the site couldn't e in trouble if there is in fact cp on there.
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KBG1977 said: What is jj??? I wanna check it out;)
this http://imagefap.com/gallery.php
It says they reported my IP for using a "banned" search word.
Calm down, its a joke by the admins.
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This is not necessarily true. Just because they can't prove he did something, doesn't mean he didn't. OP: I'm not saying you did this, ex's can be crazy as hell. For example, I have an open felony case because this kid said I pulled a gun on him. The cops got a warrant to search my house, and found no gun, but they still tried to charge me with 1st degree reckless endangerment even though their only "evidence" was this kid's testimony. At the evidentiary hearing (where the prosecution presents their evidence to a judge to prove they have enough to even charge you in the first place), this kid didn't show, so they dropped that charge, but he hasn't been charged with anything.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
EDIT: btw, "millzy I see you..."
that's true, but if it'll be pretty obvious that the ex is going for revenge if they don't find anything on the hard drive. claiming a stranger pulled a gun on you leaves very little room for the cops to establish any motive to file a false report.
btw, lol, do i know you?
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Re: Child pornography [Re: millzy]
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The kid that claimed I pulled a gun on him wasn't a stranger. He was a kid that I knew for quite a while and went crazy. There's a thread about it in Security and Safety. Nah, I doubt you know me from anywhere but here. The "millzy I see you" thing is from a lil' Wayne song.
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oh, lol. it wouldn't surprise me if there were people on here i know though.
glad you're alright about the gun thing. that's some scary biz.
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Re: Child pornography [Re: millzy]
#12587714 - 05/18/10 06:14 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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Eh, IDK, we'll see how it turns out.
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