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casing and pining - Updated Pan Trop / Pan Cambo Goliath
    #12399690 - 04/15/10 05:22 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hello

This is some P.C Penis Envy from sporeworks on rye grain and my 1st attemp at casing.



Cased since 9 days, that has been already patch one time

FAE is 15 min On 45 min off
RH is at 94%
temp is 23.5

At that in a marta like Greenhouse

Cased with peat/verm

At same time i cased some T.C and nep but in 250ml microbox instead of this 1000ml, pins are here since 2 days and the casing is looking really more wet.

This one (P.E.) is looking dry and not showing pin for time.

I tryed tonight to put it with some stéril water for 3 min and drain it after, not a lot has been take since there is more myc than casing soil.

all advices are welcome... I think i just need to wait and keep RH and FAE high but i m nervous and afraid about overlay :wink:

thanks for help

Edited by Nounan (05/10/10 12:00 PM)

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12399728 - 04/15/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You don't want the casing layer to colonize or suffer from overlay. Did you use any lime to balance the pH? I wouldn't introduce it to more water unless it's shrinking around the sides of the container, at which point I would check the conditions of your colonizing conditions. It shouldn't dry out before fruiting...

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12399863 - 04/15/10 06:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Casings are non-nutritional layers only there to hold a micro climate, not meant as food for myc to consume. When I do and I do rarely I case and put them right into the FC.

Cubes really dont need to be cased

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Shea25]
    #12401509 - 04/16/10 01:05 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i used lime to balance ph yes, and introduce water only because i saw those borders shrinking like you said.

Casing has been 2 days back to incubation until i saw few myc "mountains". Those montains has been patched 9 day ago and put in fruiting chamber :wink:

I cased all 3 with same receip and there is only probleme with the big box

i need to mention that those 2 other with TC and nep are from clone so i don't need to mind about fruiting ability that has not been prove yet for P.E since i used a LC from multispore syringue

What do you mean shea by "no casing" ? After 3 month, i think i read every single tek from shroomery, lot of post and some book like MMC. I think i ll need to read more because i was sure that casing was needed when you use grain spawn. I understoud well that casing is not needed with PF cakes.

Like always thanks for all your answers :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Shea25]
    #12401544 - 04/16/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Shea25 said:
Casings are non-nutritional layers only there to hold a micro climate, not meant as food for myc to consume. When I do and I do rarely I case and put them right into the FC.

Cubes really dont need to be cased




I would quite recommend casing straight rye grain vs uncased. You dont have to..but it works out far better.

I think your casing is looking good. Some strains take longer to fruit then others. Ive heard in general PE is one of them. Its far from overlay..just very lightly patch again if its getting to colonized until it pins. It'll work out in the end I bet.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12401563 - 04/16/10 01:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

have you put it in your FC yet? by the temperature it sounds like it. It should pin any time. as long as you have told the myc that its fruiting time,(with FAE, light, temp drops) the myc will stop growing, and overlay will not occur as long as its not too late. (depending on the strain, the myc takes a certain time to completely halt its growth)
lookin good to me:thumbup:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: bassfrequences]
    #12401622 - 04/16/10 01:28 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes been put in FC, temp drop from 28°C (82°F) to 23,5°C (74°F)

I ll waiting until tonight to see for little patch

And will continu to be patient ^^

thanks mans, you let me go to work with good news :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12401646 - 04/16/10 01:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

are you patching to get a evener pinset? Patching has never worked for me.
well Ive only tryed it once. Personnaly I would leave it to fruit, but if you have success in patching then you can go for it... even though it looks good to me, the myc looks even enough to me


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Re: casing and pining [Re: bassfrequences]
    #12401675 - 04/16/10 01:39 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A light sprinkling over the whole casing surface..not even to cover it..just to give it some new material so that the whole casing isnt colonized. A colonized casing isnt really acting like much of a casing. It takes a few times to get it right and get that even pinset.



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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
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Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12420099 - 04/19/10 11:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just to let you know that the small layer sprayed worked great helping the main casing not been too dry

Today 2 pins are coming up :wink:

Thanks again



And for the porn ^^ A mini P.C. Nepal Chitwan 5 min before harvest :laugh:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12420201 - 04/19/10 12:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Glad it worked out :wink:

Happy growin :jointsmile:


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12443303 - 04/23/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just to show those little pins becoming big penis :P

And thanks again to shoomery and all members for been here and what you are !


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12443332 - 04/23/10 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

HAH! You call those big penis'?




I kid, I kid..picture perfect little fruits there. +5 shroomies for nice work.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12444600 - 04/23/10 03:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

lol

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Re: casing and pining [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12444691 - 04/23/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Good work. Try fruiting directly after applying your casing next time and see how those results compare to a colonized casing layer.

Anyway, looks great keep up the good work brotha.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12444695 - 04/23/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Nounan said:
all advices are welcome... I think i just need to wait and keep RH and FAE high but i m nervous and afraid about overlay :wink:

thanks for help




I think you're right, except overlay is not something to worry about. You'll be fine. Overlay is an extreme condition.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: anonjon]
    #12448259 - 04/24/10 08:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks all :smile:

Hey scatman, ok they can be bigger, we will see, curiously i m getting only small mushrooms, but my substrate depth is only around 1" 1/2"

Yesterday night i was practicing my agar skill, i cut the bigger and thirst to pin, and cloned it to agar. 10g wet just alone ...

Now i m working on trying to fruit some P.Mexicana. Tried to fruit directly from grass seed, 2 weeks and nothing ^^, at same time i got a bag with  mix manure / Verm / Coir / Rye grass spawned with rye grass seeds that will be soon ready to fruit.

I m planning to try some Pan Trop too, i used a DIY stirrer to make 200ml LC, Results in 3 days were amazing compare without stirrer. this one has been spray into 2 Rye grain jar and one wood/bran/straw/sawdust mix to let it a try. Those are in incubation box since 2 days.

So with those exotics species, if i don't need some help that i past too much time reading this board :laugh:

Edited by Nounan (04/24/10 08:33 AM)

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12449078 - 04/24/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've gotten decent size fruits on 1.5 inch subs before.

Small fruits means it's either too stifled, in which case they'll be rather thin, tall, and fuzzy...

or its a moisture problem, either too dry, or you over-watered and left standing water. Moisture problems are usually indicted by small, but well proportioned fruits.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: anonjon]
    #12450096 - 04/24/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i mean 0,5" min / 1" max not 1,5" :wink:

but  time to show my GH i think, inspired from hellrick tuto



1 : grow light 6400K 125W
2 : Temp controlling (not in use for time, no need heat)
3 : RH controller (Set up to trigger Fogger when RH is under 95%)
4 & 4' : air purifier entrance
5 : Fogger entrance
6 : Fogger
7 : Air purifier with HEPA filter
8 : Perlite

So Air is set up on 15 min on 45 min Off, i think it's plenty of fresh air. I tried 15 on / 15 Off but RH were running too low
Most of stuff is reuse from canna setup and we can't find any type of impeller humidifier here so i managed to use this air purifier

I don't think i m bad on FAE. but sometime i got micro droplet not on casing but directly on myc or shroom with the fogger. That is perhaps not good but can't see how to prevent that

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12450222 - 04/24/10 04:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Holy crap, 125Watts in your light...

You may be evaporating out moisture from your greenhouse with a light that powerful. I would cut the wattage down quite a bit and purchase a few more low wattage lights (15-25W) to place around the tiers in your green house.


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