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I'm on a boat, and my rights.
#12448815 - 04/24/10 11:23 AM (14 years, 28 days ago) |
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To start things off I'm wondering about traveling with personal quantities of drugs only (say 1oz or less of [insert substance here]), not even thinking about smuggling or anything stupid, just cruising and getting high when I moor/dock. Never while the boat is in operation.
The boat in question is a 38 foot sailboat if size of it makes a difference. Area of operation would be anywhere from 100 feet to 15 miles off the coast of USA.
Now to the main questions. What are my rights on a boat regarding searches and LEO boarding? Are they similar to a car? Or a house? What if the boat is my house (it's a live aboard with full head/gallery ect and I do plan on living on it while traveling.) Do they need a warrant to board my vessel, especially if I'm no where near an international border (100+miles from foreign countries)? Are my rights different while docked and out to sea? I know theses gambling boats that go about 10 miles out to "international waters" and are able to legally gamble out there, so that may change things for me a bit as well. Does coast guard follow the same rules as police officers? Or is the sea more of a martial law type area where they pretty much do whatever the fuck they want?
I've been stopped once by a sheriffs boat and they just boarded my vessel without asking and then asked me to show them around and inside my storage compartments. They were looking for proper safety equipment more than drugs I believe as they insisted on seeing the fire extinguisher (and its pressure gauge) the proper amount of life jackets/floaties and stuff. Probably to generate ticket revenue and while having me do these various tasks gauge wheter I was intoxicated or not (I wasn't.) That encounter ended without incident. I didn't bother refusing them boarding or the search because I honestly don't know my rights on the water, which is why I'm here.
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Re: I'm on a boat, and my rights. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12449967 - 04/24/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 28 days ago) |
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Under the Customs Enforcement Statute, the Coast Guard may go on board any vessel and examine, inspect and search the vessel and examine any person or cargo on board. The authority of U.S. officials even extends to the high seas. They can search and seize vessels.
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The procedure of Coast Guard or other agency boarding is simple though not pleasant. A passing Coast Guard boat will hail the ship to be boarded on VHF Channel 16 and request identification. They ask the vessel to stand by or stop so that their boarding boat can safely go alongside the vessel to be boarded. Boarding parties usually carry drug testing and alcohol detection devices. The boarding team includes at least two people armed with 9mm devices. The agents first identify themselves and then inquire as to weapons on board. If any weapons are on board they will seize them for the duration of the boarding. During the boarding, the officers inspect registration or documentation papers and look for violations of law.
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The federal courts derive their exclusive jurisdiction over this field from the Judiciary Act of 1789 and from Article III, ยง 2 of the U.S. Constitution. Congress regulates admiralty partially through the Commerce Clause. American admiralty law formerly applied only to American tidal waters. It now extends to any waters navigable within the United States for interstate or foreign commerce. In such waters admiralty jurisdiction includes maritime matters not involving interstate commerce, including recreational boating. "
As to what all that means in the real world, I don't really know. I suggest you have some sort of secret compartment on the boat or in a backpack or duffel bag. Having the items in your personal effects, and in a location too small to hide such things as illegal crabs or wildlife, and too small for a firearm would probably be your best bet.
Maybe one of those small thin fanny pack style things would be best. That would limit any legitimate excuses to search, which might avoid much of their search authority.
In my experience (small boats) they usually want to talk with you and make you move around a bit showing them things. At that point they can usually tell if you're drunk. They also want to check for fire extinguisher, life jackets, registration numbers, etc.. Usually there's no reason to actually board the vessel or conduct any kind of search. If you're fishing they often want to see your stringer and/or cooler.
I've never heard of them searching peoples clothes or even patting them down, unless they find something illegal in plain sight.
So that would be your best bet. Keep it on your person. Perhaps the best place would be an inside pocket on a life jacket. It would be extremely strange for them to make you remove your life jacket while on the water. Even if they wanted you to you could easily say no. Tell them you know it's illegal to not wear your life jacket and you'll not remove it just so they can ticket you for not having it on. I know many places it doesn't have to be worn, just on the boat. But you can claim you believe it would be illegal to remove it.
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Re: I'm on a boat, and my rights. [Re: fastfred]
#12450511 - 04/24/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 28 days ago) |
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I was seriously expecting some T-pain shit on this thread when I saw the title. If you wanted to get really crafty, you could sew a secret pocket in your life vest. I doubt they'd ever find anything like that. I'm not really familiar with life jackets aside from the big orange ones, but I feel like people who take boating seriously probably have something more professional. Do yours already have pockets in them?
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Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: illuminati]
#12451611 - 04/24/10 10:32 PM (14 years, 28 days ago) |
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Some of my life vests have zipper pockets in the front yah. The thing is it's gonna be me and this girl and we are gonna be traveling for a long time without going back to where we are from. So it's be something like 1oz of weed, 40 hits of lsd, 1 gram 2c-e, 1/2oz coke, some adderall, a handful of benzos, 2oz shrooms. pretty much a fear and loathing style suitcase... There's eleventy billion sotrage compartments in a big sail boat too, literally everywhere you look. I'm under the impression that USCG is like border patrol and that they are very experienced in finding drugs.
The more I think about it the more I think I'm far better off to find someone I trust to send "care packages" to various marinas or something and just pick up small amounts rather than carry all that. Especially since it doesn't seem they need a warrant or anything to search. I couldn't stand to get this boat seized as it's about 85% of my equity. I just don't have someone I would trust with all that currently, and fuck a drug free sail around the world.
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12452611 - 04/25/10 07:23 AM (14 years, 27 days ago) |
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Do you think you could rig something up to haul the gear underwater?
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12452621 - 04/25/10 07:29 AM (14 years, 27 days ago) |
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Anonymous said: The more I think about it the more I think I'm far better off to find someone I trust to send "care packages" to various marinas or something and just pick up small amounts rather than carry all that.
Agreed. A little bag of weed, I might risk. Not that other stuff.
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: Doc_T]
#12475819 - 04/29/10 06:54 AM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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dude....simply put, ARE YOU INSANE?!?!?!?!?!?!? you have less rights ona vessel obviously you know they can search your rig very easily, and there aint many places to hide that isht they can't find, except maybe cutting some weird openings in your boat from the outside on the bottom and finding a discreet way to cut another VERY concealable opening that takes time and effort to get to the stash, but idk how that would work. Also the secret pocket thing on the life vest mixed with refusing due to the illegality of not wearing them on open water.
also another method that MIGHT NOT WORK but that i think will, is if you stock up on GOOD foods, look like a health nut, and pack some capsules up with the powder drugs (maybe powder your mushies too, hide this ina acidophilous bottle and your GOLDEN)and hide a different substance in a different vitamin bottle and get as many legitimate vitamins as possible without looking too sketch, just look like a health nut and hopefully youll make it through.
and if the sid is blotter, hide it in a note book somehow, and if its liquid in a vial, put a clear label as a weird extract and put in kitchen next to some almond and vanilla extracts for example.
if you have time and a good printer and some sticker paper, make a fake script for the addies under yo friends name, or a family members and put it ina weird place and if the find em say they were left from a past boating trip and you have no issues with them taking it from you, because its NOT YOURS.
hope these ideas help, sorry for tha length
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: Shamanisticts]
#12475841 - 04/29/10 07:05 AM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ok from someone that lives on a boat I have never had any problems with the Coast Guard, I have been boarded and asked questions but they have much more serious things going on out there, they make look in blidge and make sure that there are no kilos shoved anywhere but they aren't going to strip search you;). Also you won't be stopped by USCG within a couple miles of shore as that area is for Homeland Security and the local marine patrol (many who are dicks). As for the stash stuff don't act nervous and suspicious and you will have no problems. Here's an Idea for you that I ran on my old boat, I would go up the mast in the chair and lower a bag of all the stuff down into the mast and tie it to the cap. As far as I know there a no drug sniffing monkeys in the USCG PM me if you have any questions and I'll give you the lowdown of areas to be careful in.
P.S. What areas will you be cruising? Let me know if you get to the Keys and we'll have a beer
Edited by MushroomMonk (04/29/10 07:10 AM)
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: MushroomMonk]
#12475876 - 04/29/10 07:18 AM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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well, im glad to hear this from a reputable source....otherwise dis mofo hasta b crazy if hes trying to have an array such as that with him. I'd still go to some lengths to hide your shit well just in case the worst possible scenario occurs
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Re: Fuck trees, I climb buoys, motherfucker [Re: Shamanisticts]
#12476465 - 04/29/10 09:56 AM (14 years, 23 days ago) |
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Here's some of the boating life from my wife and her friends for you to keep you motivated 
   
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