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Byrain


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Park Mushrooms, Please ID
#12444807 - 04/23/10 04:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I found two mushrooms the other day growing in the park growing right next to each other, an ID would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Habitat: Found in Sacramento area CA in a park. It was found growing on mulched woodchips on the side of a bike path along the edge of a unidentified green, dense, and leafy bush that was below a pine tree.
Gills: White, attached, gills.
Stem: White, smooth, solid, thick and the the part closest to the cut section (From when I did the spore print) is beginning (Overnight) to split right down the middle into several sections.
Cap: Off-white/tan, smooth.
Spore print color: Rusty brown with maybe some salmon coloring mixed in.
Bruising: None detected.
Other information: Has a sour, less then pleasant smell (But not bad or very strong). At first I thought it could be a death cap, but the spore print color is not right. Possibly Volvariella speciosa.



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Habitat: Found in Sacramento area CA in a park. It was found growing on mulched woodchips on the side of a bike path along the edge of a unidentified green, dense, and leafy bush that was below a pine tree.
Gills: Orange, gills.
Stem: Tan/off-white/orangish, smooth, solid, thick.
Cap: Tan/off-white/orangish, rubbery, fat.
Spore print color: Orange
Bruising: Nothing detected.
Other information: Also has a less then pleasent, but not bad or strong scent. Though I can't really put my finger on it and I have no idea what it is. Again, both mushrooms where found side by side. (And the stem got broken off in transit back to my house, my dog pulls hard when he sees squirrels )

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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12444961 - 04/23/10 04:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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All of your mushrooms are Hebeloma crustuliniforme.
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Byrain


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Wow, I even considered it could be that (For the white gilled mushrooms) and almost even mentioned it (Don't know why I didn't). Didn't realize they are both the same though and the difference in spore print coloring (There is a clear one) doesn't change that? (Just making sure)
Thanks.
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12445243 - 04/23/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Didn't realize they are both the same though and the difference in spore print coloring (There is a clear one) doesn't change that?
It does change that.
Can you post some pictures of the spore prints?
Try to get the white balance right by taking the pictures in sunlight or bright shade.
I am beginning to suspect that some of your mushrooms are Volvariella gloiocephala!
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Byrain


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Here are some pics, both in the light and the shade:




Also, I know I may not have enough info for this, but do these look like Coprinellus micaceus?
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12445878 - 04/23/10 07:00 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes.
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Byrain


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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12446018 - 04/23/10 07:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Twiztidsage said: Yes.
You are responding to the last pic? The cluster of mushrooms I believe to be coprinellus micaceus?
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12446073 - 04/23/10 07:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those would be the coprinellus.
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12446119 - 04/23/10 07:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am thinking that all your mushrooms are Hebeloma crustuliniforme, except for the Coprinellus micaceus.
Some people might try to say that they could be Coprinellus truncorum, but without looking at the spores under a scope its hard to say and they might be conspecific anyway.
I don't see a big difference in the spore prints you posted. Both appear to be cinnamon brown to me.
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Byrain


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The orange gilled mushrooms left a much deeper orange looking spore color, but perhaps its the paper coloring. And I after some work I did find some pics of young Hebeloma crustuliniforme (Strangely taken from a nearby location) that resembled what I found.
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I would call the print dark pinkish-buff and it's Volvariella gloiocephala...
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Some people might try to say that they could be Coprinellus truncorum, but without looking at the spores under a scope its hard to say and they might be conspecific anyway.
I wonder who was saying this...
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Byrain


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You can all etibem said: I would call the print dark pinkish-buff and it's Volvariella gloiocephala...
So wait, you are saying the one on the one on the black paper is indeed Volvariella gloiocephala?
The print does look different to me, but it is indeed similar and the caps certainly feel different. (One smooth and the other rubbery) And there are multiple of each at the site I found them, all grouped together with the other ones that resemble them respectively and consistent with their differences.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Some people might try to say that they could be Coprinellus truncorum, but without looking at the spores under a scope its hard to say and they might be conspecific anyway.
I wonder who was saying this...
Some hippie guy from shroomery.
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So wait, you are saying the one on the one on the black paper is indeed Volvariella gloiocephala?
Yea seems likely.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Some people might try to say that they could be Coprinellus truncorum, but without looking at the spores under a scope its hard to say and they might be conspecific anyway.
I wonder who was saying this...
Some hippie guy from shroomery.
Else???
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Byrain


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Alan Rockefeller said:Yea seems likely.
Is there anyway to ID them for sure, as the info I find says they are edible and I would very much like to try them if that's the case. Though, I am not thrilled about eating something that could be a poisonous, of course.
And to elaborate on the smell, its sour with a vegetable tinge, almost likened to yellow sorrel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalis_albicans
The other ones have another smell, but which is more vague.
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Re: Park Mushrooms, Please ID [Re: Byrain]
#12447228 - 04/23/10 11:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is there anyway to ID them for sure?
Post some better pictures.
Volvariella gloiocephala is an edible lookalike of Amanita ocreata which is deadly, so good pictures are needed.
Use a decent digital camera and turn on macro mode.
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