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Paranoia, or undercover investigation?
    #12424014 - 04/19/10 11:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I think I might be the target of an undercover investigation, either that or I'm just paranoid. :uhoh:

I'll start at the beginning. Last year in one of my classes at the end of the year, two people who had never been in class before came in together and sat down right next to me. About half way through class, they made a couple of passing comments about psilocybin mushrooms to me specifically out of the blue (mispronouncing psilocybin in the process). While this might be normal for other people, I don't look ANYTHING like what you'd imagine a drug user to look like, and I keep my two lives VERY separate. I never talk about drug use, I never mention psychedelics, and I go out of my way to appear as conservative and reserved as possible. I said nothing about the comments that these two guys made, and they never showed up to class again. This had me a little suspicious.

This year, in two of my classes there have been a few people randomly mentioning psychedelics and mushrooms in particular, especially when talking directly to me. I play dumb, because it makes me nervous. They seem TOO open about it, too excited to talk to me (of all the people in the class...) about psychedelics. One guy makes me nervous in particular, because he never takes any tests in class, often stays for only part of the class (always chooses to sit right next to me), and I've never seen him hand in or talk about homework.

More recently, late at night for a few weeks there have been cars that park outside my house with the lights off and stay there for a good 20 minutes or so. I live on an isolated road, so this is pretty unusual, especially because it's happened over and over. A few times, I've seen them quickly speed off if I turn some of the lights on in the part of the house facing the road. Initially, I thought they could be robbers of some kind, but it's been a few weeks and there has been no robbery or other weird activity.

Now, I'm doing nothing illegal currently. I've never sold any drugs what so ever. No grows of any kind, I don't even possess mushrooms or other drugs right now, so I guess I shouldn't be so paranoid. But these things are still making me pretty nervous, particularly because I try so hard to keep my lives separate.

So, am I just being paranoid about this whole thing, or do you think there could be some actual danger of an investigation? If I am being investigated, will that necessarily lead to raids/arrests/etc. or will it eventually just go away if I lay low long enough?

The other thing that bothers me is that there is one guy who seems really nice who keeps casually mentioning psychedelics and liking them. I want to be friends with this guy, but I'm too afraid of him being a narc/undercover/whatever. I must come off as a total asshole. Would it be wise for me to talk with this guy about our mutual interest in psychedelics, or would it be stupid given the circumstances?

I'm beginning to think that I'm just paranoid. But really, I still don't know why so many random people would be approaching me to talk about psychedelics all at once all of a sudden. Any thoughts? Thanks guys :smile:

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12424060 - 04/19/10 11:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like the feds are after you


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: 2859558484]
    #12424108 - 04/19/10 11:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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wowitch17 said:
sounds like the feds are after you



Would you care to elaborate on your sarcasm? That's one vote for paranoia, I guess.

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12424501 - 04/20/10 01:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well if you're currently clean and have nothing to hide I wouldn't worry too much about it.  But I'd stay clean until you were sure.  Since you're clean, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable talking to them about it but play it dumb.  You've never done anything like that but have thought about it and see where it leads.


Also, is there anything you can think of that would warrant an investigation?  Those require serious resources and money.


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Spongiform]
    #12424569 - 04/20/10 01:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If you're serious that you aren't involved in any illegal activity (ie grows or dealing, etc...) then you really have nothing to worry about.  I don't know about where you live, but I'm pretty sure that in most places, possession of a small amount of herb is just a misdemeanor, which generally means just a ticket, so even if you got caught with a bag or whatever, big deal.

There would have to be a reason for them to be watching you, especially like that.  I mean, have you ever been involved in anything that would warrant them sending undercover agents into your class to try and gain intel?  Or anything to warrant them posting up outside your house doing surveillance?  Also, I'm not 100% about this, but it seems pretty unlikely that a cop doing surveillance would speed off if you flipped the lights on.  What kind of cars are parked outside your house anyway?  If they're crown victorias or impalas, there might be some validity to your paranoia.  That's not to say that police wouldn't use any other type of vehicle. 

Really, the only thing I could think that would cause a situation like this (if it is, in fact, more than just coincidence and paranoia) would be if someone told somebody else that you had a grow op or large quantities of drugs/cash, and they were planning to rob you.

Personally, I think you're being paranoid, but like Kurt Cobain said, "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you."


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: illuminati]
    #12424651 - 04/20/10 02:09 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Whatever you do, don't mention your involvement in psychadelics to a suspicious stranger - that may open a flood gate for all sorts of incriminating conversation.

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: illuminati]
    #12424773 - 04/20/10 03:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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illuminati said:
I mean, have you ever been involved in anything that would warrant them sending undercover agents into your class to try and gain intel?



It's possible that someone I know claimed that I'm growing either pot or mushrooms or both. Which is really ironic since I'm not doing either right now. I do know someone who would do this kind of thing, though.

But I admit, it sounds far fetched. Why spend all this money on me? I know of several dealers in the area who run large operations, yet they'd go after a consumer like me? Sounds weird, but having two random guys show up for one class once and mention mushrooms to me is also weird.

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Or anything to warrant them posting up outside your house doing surveillance?



A neighbor may have reported some suspicious activity, but I doubt it'd be enough to warrant an investigation. Also, the neighbors probably all know I smoke pot, but maybe not.

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Also, I'm not 100% about this, but it seems pretty unlikely that a cop doing surveillance would speed off if you flipped the lights on.



I agree, but they didn't exactly speed off right away. Specifically, it was when I turned the lights back off, they just drove away. It seemed a little hurried, but it wasn't exactly speeding. It happened more than once in the same way, too.

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What kind of cars are parked outside your house anyway?



My road is REALLY dark, so it was hard to tell the car's model, but it looked large and has a fairly bright light inside the car that can be turned on/off. Those are standard, but this light was pretty bright. I really wish I'd been able to get a better look at the type of car.

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Really, the only thing I could think that would cause a situation like this (if it is, in fact, more than just coincidence and paranoia) would be if someone told somebody else that you had a grow op or large quantities of drugs/cash, and they were planning to rob you.



Several dealers know where I live, but the jokes on them if they think I've got anything. I admit it could just be standard robbers, but so far there's been no robbery.

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Personally, I think you're being paranoid, but like Kurt Cobain said, "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you."



Personally, I think I'm being paranoid too. But, like you say, that doesn't mean I might not be in real danger.

Thanks for all the posts so far guys, it's good to be able to talk this through with someone :smile: Any input is helpful

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12425877 - 04/20/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Did you make any trades on this website?

Could be why...


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12425883 - 04/20/10 10:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you've done the right things so far.

I wouldn't put anything past LEOs.  Money doesn't matter to them, they have their budget and they have to use it up so they can ask for more the next year.  They also need to generate busts to justify their budget.

Never talk to strangers about psychedelics!  You don't want to be friends with people who do either.  That should be a huge tipoff to you.

You need to do some of your own investigation.  Ask your professor about them.  Tell him these strangers sat next to you and started talking to you about suspicious activities.  Ask if they are in the class.  Most profs will have no problem grabbing them after class and finding out who they are.  If you say they're disrupting your class time and offending you with talk of anti-social behavior the prof will certainly make sure they're in the class and find out who they are.

Otherwise you could try following them.  Find out where they go, if they're in other classes, etc..  It would be best to get a friend to do that.

As for the cars watching your house... you should get the plate number and find out who they are.  Or you could confront them.  Either way you need to find out who they are and what they're doing.

When an investigation is discovered or they aren't getting anything they'll likely back off for 6 months or so and then do follow up investigations occasionally.  So it's best to find out what's going on while you can.

You need to find out if they're city, county, state, federal, or DEA. 

As was also mentioned there are a lot of people that rob drugs and cash from people that won't report it.  I actually knew a guy who made a living doing this.  He would get to know people and follow the chain up to the grower.  Then he would break in and tie up the owner and take everything.  He would investigate first, sometimes just finding people by condensation and/or smell from their house.

The guy claimed to have done this a half-dozen times or so.  I've never heard of this with mushrooms, but the main MO is that the people won't report it to the police.


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: fastfred]
    #12426060 - 04/20/10 11:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Another tactic you could try is befriending these people.  Find out more about them.  That will suck them into a larger more expensive investigation.

You should get a good idea about what they're doing after talking to them for awhile.  Once they think you trust them then set them up.  Maybe tell them about a big deal with lots of drugs. 

Then you set up the fake deal.  They'll have you or your road watched.  Get a friend to come over.  Then you'll find out if they bust in on you or not.

If they do bust in you'll have a good laugh.  Then explain to them that they couldn't investigate their way out of a wet paper bag and you knew about their operation from the beginning.  Tell them you had no choice but to draw them out so you could get it over with.

If you're lucky you might even get a newspaper story titled something like "Botched entrapment scheme lands police in hot water".

Whatever you decide to do you need to find out what's going on.  It really sucks to be investigated for a year or years.  I've had it happen to me.


One time the police somehow got the idea that big deals were going down at my place (3 other roommates).  I knew something was up when it started seeming like I was protected from on high.  Cops and unmarkeds would follow me frequently.  Twice regular cops pulled me or a car I was in over.  With me they let me go with a warning after they ran my name.  The other time the driver was pulled over and was getting a DUI.  When they ran my name they let us both go as long as we didn't drive.

I investigated a bit and found out from a friend that they thought we did big deals and were watching us.  At some point they apparently had someone wear a wire and got some minor weed deal on tape.  But they just kept watching us.  They cared a lot more about where we were going rather than any minor bust they could have gotten.  I guess I was lucky that they got this stupid idea I was big time, otherwise I'd have gotten a number of tickets and someone would have gotten a minor distribution charge.

The only thing I can think of is that I used to talk about big schemes.  They might have thought I was actually serious about pulling them off then and there.  I don't know where they got the idea that heroin was involved, but maybe that info was wrong.

They did eventually raid my place as I was moving out, but that was because of an unrelated matter.  They actually spent probably a good 1/4 million dollars tossing my place.  I had probably 10 full bags of trash ready to go out there (mostly paper), and they went through every scrap of paper in them.  They also brought up a hazmat semi from 250 miles away.  Yep, they had the space suits and everything.  I had a good deal of chemistry gear there, so the space suit men took all of it.

I put on a disguise and walked by a couple times as they were doing this, then took back roads out of the state.  A month or two later, and several states away, I spoke with the head detective of the town about it.  I told him I was a chemistry major (mostly true).  He asked about a couple dozen quart jars that were cryptically labeled.  I told him it was just media ready for biology experiments.  He said they were all sent off for testing.

I know I had a half ounce or more of MJ seeds and a number of pipes left in the place.  But I guess after all the money they spent they just wanted it all to go away.  They never charged me with anything, but they did get a shit ton of chem gear that I decided would be unwise to try and get back.

So all told they spent a ton of money raiding my place.  They had 6 or so cops, the hazmat semi, the space suit guys, all the man hours it took to go through my trash, and the testing of a good 24 jars of media.  I estimate this cost at least $250,000.  And they ended up with nothing and didn't even try to bill me for the hazmat "cleanup".

So don't think they won't spend a ridiculous amount of money on wild goose chases, they will.  If they get the crazy idea that you're big time, or even just big time for your town, they'll investigate you to the ends of the earth.  They've got money and manpower to burn.  Most police departments are way overfunded for the amount of crime they actually deal with.  And every undercover wanna be will jump at the chance to investigate anybody, hoping to cut their teeth and make their career with a big bust.


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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #12427830 - 04/20/10 05:39 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

If the investigation is big enough, cops are less likely to use typical vehicles.

I was living at a friend's house and he got raided. When we finally put it all together, we realized that the neighbors' cars were just the same make/model. Such things as "Why would Bill be off today? He was off yesterday..." or "Why did xxx park over at yyy's?"

The day of the raid the feds came in my make/model, a mutual friend's, his father's truck, and his mother's car -- looked like family and friends were over! Police vehicles came after the storm troopers secured the place.

Fucking crazy shit, man.


Play your cards well and just be safe. Lay low for a good while. A few months after the raid I was followed for about 2 weeks. I was clean and didn't care, but what a waste of money. :nonono:

I wasn't even involved in the raid. I was just crashing there most of the time. This was big time - it went across a few states leading to major crackdowns. They don't fuck around if they think it's a big score.

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #12431767 - 04/21/10 12:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you so much for the long, thoughtful and helpful response, fastfred! I knew you were an awesome guy :smile: It's good to know other people have gone through similar situations. I just can't believe the amount of money that they might be wasting on someone like me. I suppose the smartest thing to do would be to not mention psychedelics to any of these odd strangers and continue to lay low for a while. I might try to see if I can get information out of them that is unrelated to psychedelics, but definitely I'm going to avoid the major topic. I guess I should also prepare to be raided, just in case. I'll get a good laugh out of that if it ever happens. Well, thanks for all the help guys, it's been really helpful to hear of people going through similar things. You guys are awesome!

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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: Tri High]
    #12436509 - 04/22/10 08:25 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

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Did you make any trades on this website?

Could be why...




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Re: Paranoia, or undercover investigation? [Re: MushroomMonk]
    #12437283 - 04/22/10 11:35 AM (14 years, 30 days ago)

Well, perhaps the feds have an account here.  They make trades and let local authorities know who's got the spore prints to be trading.

Then the local cops set up an investigation.

elaborate enough?


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