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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: libertaire]
    #12432227 - 04/21/10 01:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

cpt from sporelab claimed to have a "canadian cubie" that fruited outdoors in BC climate and fruited next summer. hmmmm


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: the man]
    #12432296 - 04/21/10 02:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, I actually have a strain of cube I got from someone called "NJ6", claims to have been found in the wild in nj...will be looking into the reality of that claim in the near future.

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: libertaire]
    #12433226 - 04/21/10 04:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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will be looking into the reality of that claim in the near future.





Its not real.

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12433251 - 04/21/10 05:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That was my assumption, but I would like to prove it with some concreteness.  I have no idea where the strain actually originated, or even where it claimed to have originated from, just somewhere in nj, but it's a ridiculous claim to make, I agree.

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: libertaire]
    #12434591 - 04/21/10 09:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Yea, that's what I'm excited for, the indoors pictures.  What time of year did you discover them and in what part of the country?

They are bound to change morphology when domesticated, but to the point where they look identical to another mushroom species?  I don't know about that one.

You mentioned sending some samples/pictures to some experts.  Did you do that yet?  You should if you want an honest opinion.




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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: psychedelicSLUG]
    #12438098 - 04/22/10 01:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This guy is mixed up somewhere. mycologists have taken a long time to domesticate the Ovoid. It has been done but it is not that easy to just throw spores on BRF cakes and grow like Cubes it just doesn't happen. He's a noobie that wants to say he's done something everyone else has taken time and patience to do and he's done it without any effort. I'm not saying it can't be done but he didn't do it. Those cultivated ones are cubes and that's it, It doesn't take mycology work to see that. They resemble no known cultivated Ovoid that I have seen yet.

Let RR look at the pic and then tell him he's wrong, No TI's or TC's even want to comment cause it's ridiculous already


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata *DELETED* [Re: Time Ed]
    #12439209 - 04/22/10 04:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12440178 - 04/22/10 08:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Some of the pictures of the ovoids you found look a lot like ovoids.  What's being debated here is whether you fruited them indoors.  Do you or do you not have more pictures to show?  Where did that picture of the tray you had fruiting indoors go?

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: libertaire]
    #12440473 - 04/22/10 09:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Some of the pictures of the ovoids you found look a lot like ovoids.  What's being debated here is whether you fruited them indoors.  Do you or do you not have more pictures to show?  Where did that picture of the tray you had fruiting indoors go?




I posted that, but it's his photo. I believe his original posts on this subject were in this thread: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12420633#12420633

Here is his user photo album: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/226284/imgpl/3/imgpp/96/screen/1

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: freespeech]
    #12440487 - 04/22/10 09:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Paducah, this photo in your gallery has a caption indicating that these are cased in verm... but it looks like everything in here is cased with perlite. And it looks like the cakes were rolled in perlite. And it looks like verm is part of your terrarium floor... the whole thing seems backwards. Can you explain how you are cultivating?


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: freespeech]
    #12440558 - 04/22/10 09:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)



He is trying to say that these are cultivated Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata. These are P. Cubensis without a doubt. They have no characteristics of an active woodlover that I know of.
If the OP would just post in the ID forum he would find out


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: freespeech]
    #12440594 - 04/22/10 09:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He may have attempted to cultivate the wild species that he found that looks like a good match for P. ovoideocystidiata but it obviously either became contaminated with P. cubensis or he mixed the spores/cultures up somehow, be sure to label everything correctly.

It's possible that he did inoculate the cakes with P. ovoideocystidiata spores that somehow were contaminated with P. cubensis spores, if this is the case the P. cubensis mycelium is much more robust than the P. ovoideocystidiata mycelium and it would have won the battle!

I'm amazed that he still thinks the cultivated specimens are something other than P. cubensis after so many people have told him otherwise, microscopy is not necessary because P. cubensis is such a distinct species that is readily recognizable from it's macroscopic characters.


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: inski]
    #12440656 - 04/22/10 09:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That is exactly what I mean you said it better. He got mixed up somewhere.
He did do a decent job growing mushrooms but just not Ovoids
It's just unbelievable he doesn't understand that he has something different than he thinks.

Good job OP but please believe us that they are cubes.


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata [Re: Time Ed]
    #12440799 - 04/22/10 10:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No doubt, they are nice looking Psilocybe cubensis, that's why I mentioned earlier that he should post the pictures in the Mushroom Cultivation Forum, this is not really the right forum for this subject.


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata (moved) [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12441836 - 04/23/10 02:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.

Reason:
Not an advanced topic.

As many others have said, these are Psilocybe cubensis without a doubt.


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata (moved) *DELETED* [Re: inski]
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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata (moved) [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12446502 - 04/23/10 09:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Look good.  could you describe the procedure you used to cultivate them?  Did you do brf to bulk, or grains to bulk?  Also, if you couldn't get a good spore print from them, as you showed in the earlier picture, how were you able to get a clean culture going?

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocysidiata (moved) [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12446575 - 04/23/10 09:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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I wish you would look closly at the collapsed and twisted stems and the black bruising and the equal to tapering stems.




They are Psilocybe cubensis.

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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: SomeGuy]
    #12446908 - 04/23/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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paducahovoids said:
So, I got jacked when I bought this cheap meade microscope. It cost $35.00 and I can't
even see the died onion slide that came with it.





That's not getting jacked, that's just what happens when you pay $35.00 for a microscope.


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Re: those amazing psilocybe ovoideocystidiata [Re: DragonChaser]
    #12446990 - 04/23/10 11:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Buddy, you gotta listen.

They are cubensis. What you have experienced is what experts call the placebo effect.
The people who have told you that those are cubensis have spent years and years in this field working in front of laminar flow hoods and hunching over microscopes.

They know what they are talking about, you do not.
Not being abrasive, just honest.
Fruiting woodlovers indoors is still experimental. If the expert mycologists around here are having trouble with it, you're very likely to fail.

Props for trying, but y'know what they say.. try try again.


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