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Sensitive StonedRebel

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Some insight.
    #1241671 - 01/23/03 05:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

(Matthew 7:13,14, John 14:6)

Unity. A byproduct of the horrible events of September 11, 2001, has been a
more unified country. People like never before have come together in a
unified manner, ignoring the racial, ethnic, economic barriers that normally
divide us. It is good to see our nation stand together as one. Jesus even
said, a house divided can not stand. But I do want to share something I
have seen since 9/11 that has disturbed me, and I want to deal with it
today. While I believe in my heart that we as Christians should love and
care for those of other faiths, while we should be kind to them, we must
NEVER compromise the Christian faith just to be politically correct. The
fact is, God's plan clearly says that there is only ONE road to salvation,
there is only ONE road to Heaven, and that is through faith in His Son Jesus

One of the byproducts of all of the inter-faith prayer and memorial services
during 9/11 and the anniversary of that tragic day, was the appearance that
anyone who "has faith" is "spiritual" will be in Heaven. MY FRIEND, THAT IS
NOT TRUE!. God's Word clearly tells us that those who reject Christ as
their personal savior in this life will be eternally separated from God
their Creator. That means
those who have CHOSEN to put their faith in the teachings of Islam, of
Judaism, or Buddha, or anything other then the inspired, inerrant Word of
God will be eternally separated from God when this life is over. As
wonderful as other religions may be, they are just that, religions.
Christianity is much more than a religion, it is a relationship. A
personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Many can't quite grasp how a loving God, a God of grace and mercy, would let
"good people" die and be eternally separated from Him. It is because of
sin. You see my friend, sin is something we are all born with. It has been
part of the human condition since man sinned in the Garden of Eden. There
is only one answer to sin, and that is the answer God put forth. He sent
His only Son Jesus, to this earth to die for the sins of all men.

It was God's plan that Jesus, who was born of a virgin, who lived a sinless
life, would die on Calvary's cross and pay with his blood for the sin's of
all mankind. THAT my friend, is why it is ONLY our faith in Jesus Christ
that can wipe away our sins. It is ONLY faith in Christ that can allow
sinful man to have his sins wiped clean so that upon death, he can spend
eternity with a holy God. Those who never accept Christ, who reject Him,
die in their sin and thus are not able to be reconciled back to God their
creator. This was God's plan that He gave us because He loved us so much.


There is a unity however that we as Christians should be embracing and
working towards. That is unity within the body of Christ. A prayer our
Lord prayed just hours before going to the cross is still yet unanswered. In
John 17:21, Christ prayed for the body of Christ to be one. One of the
goals of my ministry when I started over 11 years ago, was to do what I
could be bring unity to the body of Christ. In some of my post graduate
theological studies, I did extensive research on over 150 mainline Christian
denominations and what they believed, and what separated them. The fact is,
they all hold the basic tenants of the Christian faith. It was usually on a
wide array of theological issues that made no difference to the main body of
our faith that there is disagreement and division.

I had the wonderful joy the first 3 years of my ministry to preach in over
500 churches of most every denomination and ethnic make-up. The fact is,
the common bond amongst every church was people who were hurting, going
through the trials and pains of life., and looking to God for help and
answers. Now more than ever, this is a time for Christian churches to come
together as one. Never forget, it
is NOT your church that saves you, but a personal relationship with Christ.
So whether you are Baptist, Catholic, United Methodist, Presbyterian,
Lutheran, Assembly of God, Independent, or whatever denomination your church
belongs to, the most important thing is not your church home, but your
relationship with Christ.

I love you and care about you so much. Please don't misunderstand me. I
have many dear friends who are Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and many other
faiths. I care about them very much. I pray for them daily to allow God to
open heir hearts to the truth of His Word. These are good people. They do
many good works here on earth. But the Bible tells us in Ephesians 2:8,9
that it is NOT of works that we are saved, but through faith in Christ.
Period. I have agreed over the years to appear in several inter-faith
events. However, I used my time to not only pray for the concerns being
addressed, but share how God so loved this world, that He gave his only Son,
that whosoever believed in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.

We must NEVER compromise the truth of God's Word just to make people feel
better. Actually, it is better to offend someone than fail to share with
them the keys to eternal life. The Bible says that the Gospel is offensive
to those who don't believe. Our job is not to make people feel good, but to
share with them the truth of His Word. What they choose to do with that
information is between them and God. We have done what God expects us to

I pray today for those people of other faiths, that they will open their
hearts to God's love, and come to know His Son by faith. I pray for
Christians, both here in this country and worldwide. I pray that we will
not only be bold in sharing our faith with those of other faiths, but that
we will become one, just like Christ prayed in the Garden over 2000 years
ago. Now more than ever, the body of Christ needs to stand together, in
unity. No longer identified by the local church we attend, but by the faith
in Christ we share. A faith that is the only hope for this world. A faith
that is the only hope for each person. A faith that is the only road to
everlasting life with God our Creator!

***If this moment, you are not 100% sure that if your heart stops beating
you will immediately be forever with Jesus, then please take a moment, pray
for God to open your heart, and read the words at this link...
www.liveprayer.com/SPlan.html . It will be the most important decision that
you will make in this life.

In His love and service,
Your friend and brother in Christ,
Bill Keller

If I can help you in any way you can contact me through my personal email
at bkeller@liveprayer.com

"~Dream as if you'll live forever....live as if you'll die today~ James Dean"

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Re: Some insight. [Re: Bavet]
    #1241705 - 01/23/03 05:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

If there is a god, I'm sure that he understands why I don't believe in him. I'm a good person, isn't that reason enough to get into heaven? I guess it doesn't matter though.

"If you had a million years to do it in, you couldn't rub out even half the 'Fuck you' signs in the world."- J. D. Salinger

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Re: Some insight. [Re: Bavet]
    #1241747 - 01/23/03 06:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)



Thanks, Bill, but I gotta tell ya ... I have a lot of trouble with people who YELL THEIR BELIEFS AT ME and then slap multiple punctuation (!!!) on the end of their sentences, just in case the point was missed.

It's about aesthetics, really. gGod is the Master of Aesthetics and His Son (aka. the Word; see?) was a class act all the way and had a wonderful speaking voice.

Good grammar and sentence structure will take you far into the Kingdom of Heaven.


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Re: Some insight. [Re: Bavet]
    #1241858 - 01/23/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I see you have good intentions.. but it is brimming with dogma.
Christianity is not the ONE true religion. There is no one true religion.
Different religions are simply different perceptions of the greater power.

There is this tone of superiority I get from a lot of Christians, that somehow their religion is the "right" one or better than any other ones. It usually goes something like this:
Please don't misunderstand me. I
have many dear friends who are Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, and many other
faiths. I care about them very much. I pray for them daily to allow God to
open heir hearts to the truth of His Word.

You pray for them, as if they are on the wrong path, and you hope they see the error of their ways before they burn in hell for eternity for not reading the bible. This is not the case. We are all humans, in a world of good and bad, this is the nature of human experience. We form different religions based on our perception and experiences, no religion is better or more right than another.

Now don't get me wrong, I have a deep connection with God. Yet, I am not a Christian. How could this be? Blasphemy right? No, not exactly.

We are all the SAME SPECIES, on the SAME PLANET. I can know and love God without ever subscribing to any religion that tells me HOW I have to communicate with God, how I should judge others that are different.

I was raised a Christian. However, after witnessing so many times the superiority complex that is demonstrated here, and is boasted by Christians worldwide, I turned my back on it. It literally makes me want to puke and laugh at the same time.

The sheer hypocrisy emitted by most Christians is enough to make anyone an atheist. They preach of loving thy neighbor, then they say they love them but they feel sorry for them and will pray for them because they aren't going to heaven and put conditions on that love. If Christianity was the ONE TRUE RELIGION, then we wouldn't have missionaries and people spreading the word and trying to force their beliefs down other people's throats. People would just know already. I don't think I need to tell you how many Christians I know that preach love and acceptance when around their peers, but when they get home, they are the same self-serving, self-righteous, hypocritical, evil person as usual.

You're not working for God. You're working for 2 thousand years of dogma and self-righteousness. Real Christians do not push their faith on other people, they do not look down on others, they treat everyone with love and respect. Like Jesus did.

I'll tell you how to get into heaven. It's not through being Christian. Everyone goes to heaven eventually. There is no special key or ritual. God did not make any mistakes, he did not stop to rest on the seventh day and on the 8th day think "Ooops..what have I done?"

We are ALL created in God's image. Yes even the Satanists will be in heaven one day...standing right next to you. I've got a question for you... where did Lucifer come from? Who did he used to sit next to? Who created him?

The Bible is not God's word. God did not write the Bible. It is Man's word. Man saying he is in communion with God. Well let me tell you that's not the only book where Man claims God is speaking through him. May I suggest The Third Millenium by Ken Carey. The NEW Bible. Quit reading a 2,000 year old, multiple translated, interpreted and edited versions of man's word. That was written for people 2,000 years ago so they could understand it. We are more advanced now.

God is love, God is life. There are no rules, boundaries or limitations to his love. It is eternal, omniscient and everlasting. You do not need to think a certain way or believe a certain thing to know that love. God is all living things, in all of its wonderful diversity.

Do not judge lest ye be judged yourself
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

There's some insight for you.

Edited by Shroomism (01/23/03 07:04 AM)

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