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Anonymous

A Popular War
    #1240469 - 01/22/03 05:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If most of the world is as against the war with Iraq as much as they say they are, why aren't they willing to aid Iraq in battle? Sounds to me like the French and Friends are more interested in abshing America than saving Iraq.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1240477 - 01/22/03 05:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Stonedfish, I'm really disappointed in you. I thought you were smarter than that. Being opposed to a war doesn't mean you're with the other side. The people who protested against the war in Vietnam were not(for the most part) pro-Viet Cong. Similarly, I seriously doubt France or any other nations who have spoken out against the war are pro-Saddam. Everyone agrees Saddam is a bad guy. But that doesn't mean we should go to war with his country.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1240488 - 01/22/03 05:39 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so in your highschool there is this one kid that is a complete dick. He is a loser, and doesn't pose too much of a threat to most people, but every so often, he kicks the shit out of one or two of his friends. Well he has a really nice locker location, and the biggest kid in school wants it. They start to fight, now are you gonna tell me that you would stick up for the dick? No, you might say to the bully "hey man, that's not cool, you should beat someone up for their stuff", but unless you are an idiot, you wouldn't step in and help the little dick, I mean, after all, the kid is a dick, he's never really done any good, and you are assured an ass beating by the big bully if you step in.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1240571 - 01/22/03 06:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"You're either with us or against us" is bullshit argument.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #1240644 - 01/22/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I concur


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1240851 - 01/22/03 07:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That was a really, really stupid post.

Not saying you're stupid, because I have already observed enough here to know you aren't.

But that was one of your worst posts ever :tongue:


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Skikid16]
    #1241165 - 01/22/03 09:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Nice analogy. I agree, and I'm tired of the "with us or against us" bs too.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1241295 - 01/22/03 10:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

HA! HA! HA! - now thats funny.

Its not in the interests of the French or the Germans becasue if it goes to all out war they know there is fuck all chance of them getting a slice of the oil. If they can prevent war long enough they might be able to pull a flanker. I kind of hope so, it would be hilarious to see the look on George and Tony's faces when they realise they have been stitched up by the sausage and frog eaters.

Aint gonna happen though.... oh no no no no no.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: ]
    #1241793 - 01/23/03 06:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You may think it's stupid, I think it's good cause for debate. Of course, debating doesn't work well if everyone just goes about name calling.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1241890 - 01/23/03 06:56 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If you want to debate why not reply to mine, Silversouls or Skikids posts?


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Skikid16]
    #1242340 - 01/23/03 09:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The way I see it, the dick is getting what is coming to him.

The United Nations was created for precisely this reason: to help prevent war and belligerence. The UN stepped in when Iraq invaded Kuwait for oil, yet they won't step in when we are invading for the same reasons. I think deep down, the world knows Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, and would rather him be removed, but since there is no proof, no one is really willing to get the job done.

Plus, the UN wouldn't not get an ass beating from the US, should they step in. As powerful as we are, we cannot take on the entire world.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1242406 - 01/23/03 10:08 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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The UN stepped in when Iraq invaded Kuwait for oil, yet they won't step in when we are invading for the same reasons.


Stepping in for Kuwait was different because they were stepping in against Iraq. If they lost Iraq as a friend, oh well, no big deal, but they know if they step in against the US, they will lose a HUGE allie, one that they can not afford to lose. If that means being hypocritical for not sticking up for Iraq, then so be it, the UN would rather have the Iraqi people and other Arab nations pissed, than loose the US.

To relate it to my above analogy, its like saying the biggest fucker in the school (the US) is the star football, basketball, and baseball player. He is the best athelete in the school and he raises the level of the entire team when he is playing. Now if his teamates step in to stick up for the little dick, he has said before that he will transfer to the rival highshcool. Why would anyone stand against him?


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Skikid16]
    #1242452 - 01/23/03 10:21 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Fair enough, but you concede that we are needed for world stability. So when was the last time you saw a German or French newspaper praising us... or at least thanking us?


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1242542 - 01/23/03 10:58 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I do feel that we are a major stablizing force in the world, but that is not to say we are infallable.


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    #1242582 - 01/23/03 11:29 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: A Popular War [Re: ]
    #1242654 - 01/23/03 12:14 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Its not like the whole of europe doesnt like America's attack plan

The majority of people in Britain don't even like americas attack plan.


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1242656 - 01/23/03 12:16 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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The United Nations was created for precisely this reason




Please expand on this.and prove that it is not about oil. Im sick of your double talk. Please provide evidence that this is about anything other than oil,, you cant,,, so wake up,




























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Re: A Popular War [Re: Anonymous]
    #1242658 - 01/23/03 12:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

when was the last time you saw a German or French newspaper praising us... or at least thanking us?




Thanking you for what exactly?


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Re: A Popular War [Re: Skikid16]
    #1242666 - 01/23/03 12:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Stepping in for Kuwait was different because they were stepping in against Iraq.

Of course, no one in the U.S. media mentioned the fact that the Kuwaitis (a monarchy, not a democracy - Pres Bush Sr. are you ignorant of world affairs or merely a liar? ) wer slan-drilling Iraqi oil, or that the American ambassador to Iraq told Saddam that we would look the other way in the event of a war.

Saddam a viscious dictator? True enough, but never ANY mention of the much worse human-rights violations in Syria, now why is that?


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Re: A Popular War [Re: GazzBut]
    #1242704 - 01/23/03 12:34 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I never said it wasn't about oil. In fact, I believe you were the one who convinced me that this war indeed is about oil. I think you must be misinterpretting what I said.

The United Nations was created after WWII to prevent another global conflict. Seeing as how both us and Iraq have weapons of mass destruction, and we are apparently a belligerant bully ready to do anything for some more oil, wouldn't it be in the world's best interest that we not go to war at all costs?

My point is that, while a big part of our motivation to go to war with Iraq is because of their oil fields, Saddam is a dangerous man and, like it or not, is still one of the reasons for this war. Otherwise, why would we not invade Saudi Arabia or Venezuala?


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