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A bit more About pain
#12350269 - 04/07/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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As i was waking up today , i felt pain. I was in pain for most of yesterday , numbing it down with tylenol/codeine , ibuprofen and orajel. I have a tooth that needs a root canal.
Anyhow.. as i was waking up today , i could feel the pain coming on slightly.. i didn't like that feeling , so in that half awake state , i had the choice to slowly slip back into sleep. As long as my conscious mind wasn't fully awake , i could control the pain somehow. I could feel it being there.. but its almost like i had the option to be a third party observer to it all.
Soon enough , i ran out of melatonin in my brain and awoke fully , very rapidly. The pain kicked in stronger than ever before. My jaw was shaking.. my hands were shaking. I felt pain in that tooth , in the teeth surrounding it , the whole left side of my jaw , my cheek bone , my ear.. and the left side of my skull.
I honestly would not wish this to anyone. Anyhow.. within the first ten minutes of being awake i applied orajel severe pain formula to the tooth , gums and took 2 tylenol with codeine 3.
I really hate medication and have avoided it most of life. But this is a situation where it was either that , going to the dentist and asking him to fix my teeth for free.. or suicide.
All of this was basically just a prelude to what i want to ask. It has now been over 30 minutes since i took the medication and i feel no pain. For some reason i react to codeine much stronger than other painkillers. Hydrocodone is supposed to be stronger but has never eliminated my pain so quickly and sufficiently.
I am sitting here now.. 2 pills and 30 minutes away from what was excruciating pain , feeling fine and on top of it all .. actually feeling kinda good.
HOW? What i want to know is.. how this happens .. and how to do it on my own.
I've heard a couple people here claim that they can get into a meditative state and be free from physical pain. Having a similar experience waking up today , i wonder if thats what you do ? Can it be similar to going to sleep ? Why is it that we dont feel pain while sleeping in the first place ?
The tooth is fucked. It need to be repaired.. or pulled. The pain has let me know that. Now i know that. And there isn't much i can do. Why would i endure this pain ? What purpose ? Its like an alarm clock that keeps on ringing even after you wake up. And you're like OK GODDAMMIT ! im up now.. shut the fuck up !
So.. if my teeth.. keep on crying to my mind.. i conclude that my mind , is not responding properly to said cries.
All together.. it fascinates me how 60mg of some chemical , can do the trick.. but the awesome power of our minds lays helpless in the face of such enormous pain.
I wish to explore that with you guys here.
oh.. and btw.. if someone knows how to successfully murder a nerve on my own.. let me know !

p.s please dont move my thread.. i know some parts of seem to go into detail about well being and what not.. but thats not what im after. i've been on the internet looking up this stuff , and reading medical advice from doctors and dentists. here.. i wish to strictly discuss , how to mentally overcome this issue.. or at least entertain the idea , while im not in agony.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: jivJaN]
#12366004 - 04/10/10 05:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've always been able to somewhat control any pain I have.
It all comes down to the thought I ask myself, 'What is pain?'. When I am in pain I try to focus on what the feeling really is; strip it down bare. Then it just goes away. Only when I stop trying to discover pain does it reintroduce itself. There is no such thing as pain, it's just an indicator that something is wrong.
If there were no pain people would go around carelessly abusing life, getting cuts and not worrying about them, getting infections and never healing them, etc. Pain is an illusion to keep us safe.
Your pain may be quite different, being chronic and all. But I find for any sort of sudden pain (broken bones, gashes, etc) can be easily avoided.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: jivJaN]
#12366426 - 04/10/10 09:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm reminded of a Harvard study they did a while back where monks successfully raised their body temperature to inhuman levels in order to burn off cold towels in a freezing cold room - conditions which would have gave the average person hypothermia.
In simple terms, you can look at it as the mind conquering the body. I believe the body is just another form of consciousness - it is all ultimately interpreted by the mind.
In the case of medication, the placebo effect comes into play. And I don't mean this with negative connotations. Essentially, beliefs held at our most fundamental levels create our perceived reality. They've done studies on this where people get drunk off of non-alcoholic beer and are "magically" cured by sugar pills. All it does is give the mind a crutch - it facilitates the belief. You really healing yourself. The Shamans knew of this when they were pulling the bloody bones out of their mouths and all the other shenanigans. It allows the patient to heal them self.
And I'm not saying Western medicine doesn't do anything. I'm saying it is a symbiosis between the internal beliefs and the external medicine. I think this is why stuff like positive attitude and hope are so important in hospitals.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: deXtrous]
#12366572 - 04/10/10 10:08 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think it is a bit different when you cut yourself , or if you fall down and hurt yourself. theres still an element of surprise , perhaps even a little bit of adrenalin helping you through the process.
but my pain was much different. it comes on slowly.. it announces itself and then proceeds to increase to the point where i cant sit still. no movement can really help , but the mind is too immersed in the pain to even realize it so i twitch and move around and hold my head. i stand up , sit down.. lay down..
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Pain is an illusion to keep us safe.
I do understand this , which is why i made my thread. I know that its simply a mechanism , a process of the body that has nothing to do with who i really am.
But its still there though. I can try to cease identifying all i want , it still intrudes on me. I heard somewhere that this was part of the training process for black ops soldiers. When pain level exceeds the threshold of the human body , you pass out. So they found a way to keep the men awake during the torture. This way.. the only possible route , since passing out wasn't an option , was to "escape" into a new personality. They would then follow to train this personality in various fields , creating a super soldier and allegedly these super soldiers would be completely impervious to physical pain , in this hypnotized state.
I think we find pain being directly linked to the conscious mind. A pill makes the conscious mind unaware. Sleeping simply eliminates the conscious mind to begin with .. the conscious mind experiences the pain , and in this case , we would not be experiencing the conscious mind.
To be able to overcome such intense physical pain , while keeping the conscious mind awake is something that would require a fully conscious , fully aware , egoless state in which the mind is still.
This is something , i believe, only a handful of people on this planet can do on demand like that..
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--------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: jivJaN]
#12366685 - 04/10/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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To be able to overcome such intense physical pain , while keeping the conscious mind awake is something that would require a fully conscious , fully aware , egoless state in which the mind is still.
That's where I was going to take this but you got there anyways. I think a decent amount of people can achieve this though. I know several who got root canals done but took no meds during. They used it as a meditation.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: Kickle]
#12367309 - 04/10/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whenever I feel pain, I don't try to fight it. Instead I embrace it and ask for more... completely surrendering myself to the intense feeling. Thus I am no longer upset at something that should not be happening, but rather I am glad that I am feeling something that is happening.
BRING IT
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: deCypher]
#12374593 - 04/11/10 09:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've found a lot of success with immersing myself in a painful situation. It's all just a sensation communicated from your body to your brain.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: TheWolf]
#12375294 - 04/11/10 11:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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IMO resistance is where it's at. As long as I resist that this shouldn't be, My body is going to tell me it shouldn't.
Note: This is a natural reaction. But nature is always moving on and doesn't care if you wanna cling to what it did. It isn't going to stop ya.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: TheWolf]
#12375327 - 04/11/10 11:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cold showers are the contemporary to throwing yourself in a cold river. See just how much the body is contingent to the mind.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12375437 - 04/11/10 11:33 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I try to avoid cold showers.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#12375765 - 04/12/10 12:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Cold showers are the contemporary to throwing yourself in a cold river. See just how much the body is contingent to the mind. 
Cold showers make it hard to breathe.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: Poid]
#12375819 - 04/12/10 12:40 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I sometimes like to jump into a cold pool after chilling in a hot tub though.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: deCypher]
#12375834 - 04/12/10 12:42 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd rather just stay in the hot-tub.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: Poid]
#12375837 - 04/12/10 12:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Preferably with lots of hot women surrounding me.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: deCypher] 1
#12375862 - 04/12/10 12:48 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, that would kick ass.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: jivJaN]
#12377117 - 04/12/10 09:50 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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jivJaN said: As long as my conscious mind wasn't fully awake , i could control the pain somehow. I could feel it being there.. but its almost like i had the option to be a third party observer to it all.
I've heard a couple people here claim that they can get into a meditative state and be free from physical pain. Having a similar experience waking up today , i wonder if thats what you do ? Can it be similar to going to sleep ? Why is it that we dont feel pain while sleeping in the first place ?
Pain is a state of mind, in deep sleep there is no state of mind.
I also had a root canal that they tried to fix, was already painful before they did the root canal, then it didn't take & got infected, i had 2 courses of antibiotics, eventually the tooth had to be pulled, so i do know what pain your talking about i'm not juts talking out my arse, and yeah, isn't it a wonder how in sleep or in deep concentration/one pointedness of mind there is no pain!
What can it mean...
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Re: A bit more About pain [Re: Chronic7]
#12403817 - 04/16/10 01:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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i was chillin with some buddies yesterday and we were all pretty high from some hash...
at one point i started talking about how amazing it is that when i give my pain attention/focus it gradually intensifies, yet when i ignore it it is NOTHING.
for example, in basketball i will FUCK myself up (and by that i mean i go where i know i will get fucked up). i'm 5'11 and 160 but i frequently end up down low (near the basket) due to my quickness/ball handling. and if i'm in the middle of a game where i am focused on my optimum and efficient performance then really nearly any injury isn't even ACKNOWLEDGED...only later do i marvel at and realize how hard i was hit...
but sometimes i will just be walking late at night stoned and hit my knee or shin on a ladder. and since my attention is just kinda floating around and not really focused, the pain will fuck me up. unless, i don't think about it, i do that sometimes. and then other times it hurts for a moment and then i know that if i think about it it will hurt so i just drop it and let go and am already past it.
so idk how to deal with pain because it can be pretty overwhelming and both mentally and physically immobilizing...but there is some food for your thoughts 
edit: also, it reminds me of a child getting hurt. when you put your attention on a child's fall and reinforce/sympathize they frequently cry more and (questionably) feel more pain. though when you just laugh or ignore it, the child is no longer attached to it.
Edited by NastyDHL (04/16/10 01:25 PM)
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