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Should I press charges on an ex cop.
#12403723 - 04/16/10 01:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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So five days ago I go to a dog park.
While trying to pull in a guy is blocking the entrance with his huge truck, and I not even screaming or talking for that matter, MOUTHED "get the fuck out of my way".
Well the guy instead of exiting like he was going to do, pulls his huge truck back around and comes the opposite direction of me and blocks me from drivng.......gets out of his car and starts screaming at me about how I'm making the error and driving the wrong way in the parking lot ( which I was at that time ) and how if he was half my age he'd beat my fucking ass this and that ( the guy is like 70 ) and I calmly tell him, he is in my way, to move, and he is not half my age so it would be wise to press on with his life.
Well today I'm at the park again. And he pulls in and I write his plate number down. I approach him and ask him if he was the same guy from the day before. He says yes. And I tell him I'm planning on pressing charges for threatening and assault and that I had his plate number. He exclaims sue me you asshole. I told him I was thinking about it. He then says " If I was going to kick your ass kid, trust me your brains would be splattered all over the back seat of your fucking car "
Little did he know up til this point I had a tape recorder in my pocket.
He then told me he was an ex cop, which he is, and that I could go file a report and it wouldn't fucking matter ( he was a sargeant for the city we were in ) and he says he didn't threaten me ( tho I have him on tape admitting to his prior actions, and then exclaiming how my brains would b e everywhere if he did fight me.
Is this worth pursuing?
Should I file the report with the sherriff of the countys office instead of the local office?
Should I contact a lawyer?
Should I drop it?
I go to this dog park regularly and she does he.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12403797 - 04/16/10 01:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's worth it if you want a vendetta against you. or if you have one against the popo. I would give the story to the local news if anything. like he said, cops look out for cops. reporting it to them ain't gonna do shit.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12403909 - 04/16/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I figured. The lawyer I spoke with said since he didn't actually touch me, suing him would be a waste of my time. He recommended pressing charges, but I fear of a personal vendetta on me. Hell I don't even wanna go back to the dog park 
This shits kinda weak if you ask me. Fuck cops. He threw that into the argument just for control and power to, which is what he was doing when he stopped my car. People in general piss me off, but to use your ex career as a ploy to control people......
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12404230 - 04/16/10 02:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tell him you recorded the conversations, and use it to extort him.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: HeavyToilet]
#12404240 - 04/16/10 02:28 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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HeavyToilet said: Tell him you recorded the conversations, and use it to extort him.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12404598 - 04/16/10 03:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speaking to him the second time was just...... dumb.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12407831 - 04/17/10 07:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd say keep your recorder, and if it happens again (don't approach him first) then go to the local news before the police.
If you go to the police, they'll do fuck all, and keep it quiet. But if people already know about it then it's harder to ignore.
He sounds like a douche
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: Frinkz]
#12407840 - 04/17/10 07:19 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Frinkz said: I'd say keep your recorder, and if it happens again (don't approach him first) then go to the local news before the police.
If you go to the police, they'll do fuck all, and keep it quiet. But if people already know about it then it's harder to ignore.
He sounds like a douche
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: Tcm19277]
#12409243 - 04/17/10 02:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I tell him I'm planning on pressing charges for threatening and assault and that I had his plate number.
You're acting like a total douchebag crybaby.
The guy didn't do anything to you. And no court is going to do jack shit for you on this.
I can't figure out what is wrong with you that you think it's socially or morally acceptable to try and involve the cops and legal system over some angry trash talk over a driving argument.
If you try to go after this guy he'll not even be charged for one, and for another he'll probably get your ass kicked or get you locked up, or both. A few words from him and he'll have 4 cops at your house. Then they'll kick the ever living shit out of you, then they'll take you to jail and you'll end up serving a sentence for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.
If it was just me personally, I'd get off on the charges easily then I'd probably smash every window out of your car and get away with that too.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12411775 - 04/17/10 10:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, you're gonna lose in court. Unless you actually felt threatened by the guy I don't see where the crime happened - and feeling threatened by someone who is 70 years old? Get real.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#12412619 - 04/18/10 02:13 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right. So I should have just got out of the car as he did, and fought the old man?
Someone stops me in a moving car and tries to open my door screaming at me, and I should be like.......sorry sir.......
I approached him the second time very calmly......at a fucking public park.....I don't see harm in that. Especially since it's a conversation tape recorded of him threatening my life.
I talked to a lawyer. He insisted on pressing charges.
I didn't due to the hassle it would involve.
I sound like a cry baby I forgot, age and your career gives you the right to be a blatant asshole to everyone you think is doing something wrong. And people should just turn the other way when being screamed at, sworn at, and threatened.
I didn't even know he was an ex cop til the second convo anyways. I was mainly ensuring the old fuck didn't continue to pester me while I'm trying to play fetch with my dog.
The advice was dualy noted tho. And is pretty much what I expected. Just wanted to see if there was any chance of a case. I didn't think there would be.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago] 1
#12413989 - 04/18/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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He then told me he was an ex cop, which he is, and that I could go file a report and it wouldn't fucking matter ( he was a sargeant for the city we were in ) and he says he didn't threaten me ( tho I have him on tape admitting to his prior actions, and then exclaiming how my brains would b e everywhere if he did fight me.
"then exclaiming how my brains would b e everywhere if he did fight me."
That's not a threat. "I'm going to fight you and get your brains everywhere" is a threat. "If you don't X I'm going to fight you," is a threat.
You can look how your state law defines threats against your person and extortion, but it sounds like some regular, non illegal angry road talk to me.
Many laws include that the threat must be believable and reasonably expected to be carried out. I doubt they'd ever prosecute some old geezer for talking shit to a young punk. It would have to be pretty severe and you'd probably need some evidence that you actually believed him to be a real threat to your life or limb.
Even if you were some old lady that was now afraid to visit the dog park because you legitimately believe the old man will physically attack you... They'd just issue a restraining/protective order against the old man. It's very unlikely they'd actually try to prosecute the old man.
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A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.
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The following is an example of a Texas statute dealing with terroristic threats:
TERRORISTIC THREAT
(a) A person commits an offense if he threatens to commit any offense involving violence to any person or property with intent to:
1. cause a reaction of any type to his threat[s] by an official or volunteer agency organized to deal with emergencies; 2. place any person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury; 3. prevent or interrupt the occupation or use of a building; room; place of assembly; place to which the public has access; place of employment or occupation; aircraft, automobile, or other form of conveyance; or other public place; 4. cause impairment or interruption of public communications, public transportation, public water, gas, or power supply or other public service; 5. place the public or a substantial group of the public in fear of serious bodily injury; or 6. influence the conduct or activities of a branch or agency of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state.
"Terroristic threat" is the law violation someone would usually be charged with in your example.
So if you were in Texas you'd need to prove that... 1. He threatened to commit an offense involving violence to your person. and 2. He intended to place you in fear of imminent serious bodily injury.
With wording like that his lawyer would not have a hard time arguing that it was harmless talk and he didn't reasonably expect nor intend that you would be "in fear of imminent serious bodily injury."
He could also argue that the old man wasn't intending to commit an "offence". e.g. he was challenging you to a legitimate bare knuckle sporting fight or something of the like.
I think you need to chill out. If some ornery old man can rattle you that bad over parking at a public park, maybe you need some anxiety meds. You're certainly going to come across a lot more angry old geezers that cuss you out or talk trash about how they could have whipped your ass back in the day. That's just life!
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: fastfred]
#12424594 - 04/20/10 01:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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FastFred, you give very good legal advice. Have you studied law at some point in your life, either in school or on your own?
Anyway, fuck that old man. Old people in general just seem to be cranky. You should have just made some smart ass comment about him having a load in his Depends and told him to fuck off. But yea, you probably aren't going to get anywhere in court, although it would be oh so satisfying to successfully press charges against an ex cop.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: illuminati]
#12424605 - 04/20/10 01:48 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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at this point you have one choice...shoot the victim.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#12427633 - 04/20/10 04:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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What the fuck is the world coming to?
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: wellage]
#12430206 - 04/21/10 03:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should just ignore crazy old people dude, my dad is in his 70s and sounds like something he would do too. Everything around him is every ones fault but his and he yells a lot. He even punched another old dude in Sam's club one day To make a big issue out of it and to go so far as bring a tape recorder and approach him again makes you seem like a whiny bitch. If you just ignored him he probably would ahve never talked to you again aside from maybe a dirty look.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago] 1
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Should I press charges on an ex cop.
No that would be lame.
Let him talk shit if he wants.
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You're acting like a total douchebag crybaby.
My thoughts exactly.
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The guy didn't do anything to you. And no court is going to do jack shit for you on this.
Correct.
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I can't figure out what is wrong with you that you think it's socially or morally acceptable to try and involve the cops and legal system over some angry trash talk over a driving argument.
Agreed.
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If you try to go after this guy he'll not even be charged for one, and for another he'll probably get your ass kicked or get you locked up, or both. A few words from him and he'll have 4 cops at your house. Then they'll kick the ever living shit out of you, then they'll take you to jail and you'll end up serving a sentence for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.
Yes that would probably happen.
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Right. So I should have just got out of the car as he did, and fought the old man?
If you like jail, yes, do that.
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Someone stops me in a moving car and tries to open my door screaming at me, and I should be like.......sorry sir.......
Just roll your eyes.
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I forgot, age and your career gives you the right to be a blatant asshole to everyone you think is doing something wrong.
Anyone is allowed to be an asshole to anyone else. Stop being so butthurt about it.
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Should I press charges on an ex cop.
No that would be lame.
Let him talk shit if he wants.
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You're acting like a total douchebag crybaby.
My thoughts exactly.
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The guy didn't do anything to you. And no court is going to do jack shit for you on this.
Correct.
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I can't figure out what is wrong with you that you think it's socially or morally acceptable to try and involve the cops and legal system over some angry trash talk over a driving argument.
Agreed.
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If you try to go after this guy he'll not even be charged for one, and for another he'll probably get your ass kicked or get you locked up, or both. A few words from him and he'll have 4 cops at your house. Then they'll kick the ever living shit out of you, then they'll take you to jail and you'll end up serving a sentence for resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer.
Yes that would probably happen.
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Right. So I should have just got out of the car as he did, and fought the old man?
If you like jail, yes, do that.
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Someone stops me in a moving car and tries to open my door screaming at me, and I should be like.......sorry sir.......
Just roll your eyes.
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I forgot, age and your career gives you the right to be a blatant asshole to everyone you think is doing something wrong.
Anyone is allowed to be an asshole to anyone else. Stop being so butthurt about it.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12432425 - 04/21/10 02:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why don't you buy a gun, walk up to him and blow off his head like you really want too? Pretty easy to do as well.
Purchase some clothes, shoes, socks, underwear, full face beanie, jeans, gasoline in a container and large metal bucket with cash. I'm assuming you can acquire a firearm that in untraceable to the purchase somehow. Best would be to acquire one that perhaps is already dirty from some lower class folks, then to clean out the grooves in the gun barrel.
Simple procedure, park your car 1/4-1/2 mile away and walk toward the park. Previously plan multiple exit paths back to your car that would be untraceable. Shoot man in chest, near the heart with 3-4 bullets. Run back towards your car. Make sure nobody has followed you. Drive your car to a remote location. Remove the clothes and burn then in the bucket. Regroove the gun barrel and the mechanism that ejects the bullets, sand it down as they can trace the case ejections as well.
You could melt the gun if you had access to such facilities or dump the gun in a deep river or ocean. Bring it to a metal recycling facility, or sell the parts of the gun individually. Or just use it to kill the next person who violates your civil rights.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12433191 - 04/21/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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someone has a question and...
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Hahahaha.
This thread was a question.
No action was takin at all.
You're about 5 days late with your unreasonable insults, that you took way too much time to qoute and reply for.
I did just roll my eyes at the guy the first time.
And I very politely spoke with him the second time.
I came here and asked a question.
lawlz, you act like I'm trying to fight an old guy, and put him in jail. It's not like I called the cops, and if I did it would be just to cover my own ass.
Thanks Fastfred though for giving an actual intelligent response, and not just repeating someone elses.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: iluvfungi]
#12434677 - 04/21/10 09:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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iluvfungi said: Why don't you buy a gun, walk up to him and blow off his head like you really want too? Pretty easy to do as well.
Purchase some clothes, shoes, socks, underwear, full face beanie, jeans, gasoline in a container and large metal bucket with cash. I'm assuming you can acquire a firearm that in untraceable to the purchase somehow. Best would be to acquire one that perhaps is already dirty from some lower class folks, then to clean out the grooves in the gun barrel.
Simple procedure, park your car 1/4-1/2 mile away and walk toward the park. Previously plan multiple exit paths back to your car that would be untraceable. Shoot man in chest, near the heart with 3-4 bullets. Run back towards your car. Make sure nobody has followed you. Drive your car to a remote location. Remove the clothes and burn then in the bucket. Regroove the gun barrel and the mechanism that ejects the bullets, sand it down as they can trace the case ejections as well.
You could melt the gun if you had access to such facilities or dump the gun in a deep river or ocean. Bring it to a metal recycling facility, or sell the parts of the gun individually. Or just use it to kill the next person who violates your civil rights.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: vandago]
#12440116 - 04/22/10 07:59 PM (14 years, 30 days ago) |
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vandago said: You're about 5 days late with your unreasonable insults
I found Alan's insults to be quite reasonable.
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: scout24]
#12441307 - 04/22/10 11:46 PM (14 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Should I press charges on an ex cop. [Re: 2859558484]
#12443580 - 04/23/10 12:33 PM (14 years, 29 days ago) |
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If there's one thing I've learned through all my dealings with cops and the law...
It's that you never call the cops or involve the law. They never help and a lot of the time it lands you in trouble. If you're hurt, call and ambulance. Otherwise there's almost no situation where the cops will help.
I've had shit stolen from me and reported it only to have the cops come and badger me, even accusing me of stealing it in the first place. All they will do is hassle you and take a report.
If you get beat up and call them a lot of the time they accuse you of starting the fight or grill you on why you were in the situation in the first place.
In the OP's situation, especially since it was with a cop, they might well end up charging HIM with something. All it takes is the other person telling a different story and they'll pick whoever they want to believe. They certainly don't like frivolous calls like that would be, and they often start of disliking the reporting party right off the bat for that reason.
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