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casing and pining - Updated Pan Trop / Pan Cambo Goliath
    #12399690 - 04/15/10 05:22 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hello

This is some P.C Penis Envy from sporeworks on rye grain and my 1st attemp at casing.



Cased since 9 days, that has been already patch one time

FAE is 15 min On 45 min off
RH is at 94%
temp is 23.5

At that in a marta like Greenhouse

Cased with peat/verm

At same time i cased some T.C and nep but in 250ml microbox instead of this 1000ml, pins are here since 2 days and the casing is looking really more wet.

This one (P.E.) is looking dry and not showing pin for time.

I tryed tonight to put it with some stéril water for 3 min and drain it after, not a lot has been take since there is more myc than casing soil.

all advices are welcome... I think i just need to wait and keep RH and FAE high but i m nervous and afraid about overlay :wink:

thanks for help

Edited by Nounan (05/10/10 12:00 PM)

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12399728 - 04/15/10 05:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You don't want the casing layer to colonize or suffer from overlay. Did you use any lime to balance the pH? I wouldn't introduce it to more water unless it's shrinking around the sides of the container, at which point I would check the conditions of your colonizing conditions. It shouldn't dry out before fruiting...

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12399863 - 04/15/10 06:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Casings are non-nutritional layers only there to hold a micro climate, not meant as food for myc to consume. When I do and I do rarely I case and put them right into the FC.

Cubes really dont need to be cased

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Shea25]
    #12401509 - 04/16/10 01:05 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i used lime to balance ph yes, and introduce water only because i saw those borders shrinking like you said.

Casing has been 2 days back to incubation until i saw few myc "mountains". Those montains has been patched 9 day ago and put in fruiting chamber :wink:

I cased all 3 with same receip and there is only probleme with the big box

i need to mention that those 2 other with TC and nep are from clone so i don't need to mind about fruiting ability that has not been prove yet for P.E since i used a LC from multispore syringue

What do you mean shea by "no casing" ? After 3 month, i think i read every single tek from shroomery, lot of post and some book like MMC. I think i ll need to read more because i was sure that casing was needed when you use grain spawn. I understoud well that casing is not needed with PF cakes.

Like always thanks for all your answers :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Shea25]
    #12401544 - 04/16/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Casings are non-nutritional layers only there to hold a micro climate, not meant as food for myc to consume. When I do and I do rarely I case and put them right into the FC.

Cubes really dont need to be cased




I would quite recommend casing straight rye grain vs uncased. You dont have to..but it works out far better.

I think your casing is looking good. Some strains take longer to fruit then others. Ive heard in general PE is one of them. Its far from overlay..just very lightly patch again if its getting to colonized until it pins. It'll work out in the end I bet.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12401563 - 04/16/10 01:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

have you put it in your FC yet? by the temperature it sounds like it. It should pin any time. as long as you have told the myc that its fruiting time,(with FAE, light, temp drops) the myc will stop growing, and overlay will not occur as long as its not too late. (depending on the strain, the myc takes a certain time to completely halt its growth)
lookin good to me:thumbup:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: bassfrequences]
    #12401622 - 04/16/10 01:28 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yes been put in FC, temp drop from 28°C (82°F) to 23,5°C (74°F)

I ll waiting until tonight to see for little patch

And will continu to be patient ^^

thanks mans, you let me go to work with good news :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12401646 - 04/16/10 01:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

are you patching to get a evener pinset? Patching has never worked for me.
well Ive only tryed it once. Personnaly I would leave it to fruit, but if you have success in patching then you can go for it... even though it looks good to me, the myc looks even enough to me


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Re: casing and pining [Re: bassfrequences]
    #12401675 - 04/16/10 01:39 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

A light sprinkling over the whole casing surface..not even to cover it..just to give it some new material so that the whole casing isnt colonized. A colonized casing isnt really acting like much of a casing. It takes a few times to get it right and get that even pinset.



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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12420099 - 04/19/10 11:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just to let you know that the small layer sprayed worked great helping the main casing not been too dry

Today 2 pins are coming up :wink:

Thanks again



And for the porn ^^ A mini P.C. Nepal Chitwan 5 min before harvest :laugh:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12420201 - 04/19/10 12:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Glad it worked out :wink:

Happy growin :jointsmile:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12443303 - 04/23/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just to show those little pins becoming big penis :P

And thanks again to shoomery and all members for been here and what you are !


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12443332 - 04/23/10 11:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

HAH! You call those big penis'?




I kid, I kid..picture perfect little fruits there. +5 shroomies for nice work.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12444600 - 04/23/10 03:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: casing and pining [Re: BeerFoam]
    #12444691 - 04/23/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Good work. Try fruiting directly after applying your casing next time and see how those results compare to a colonized casing layer.

Anyway, looks great keep up the good work brotha.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12444695 - 04/23/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Nounan said:
all advices are welcome... I think i just need to wait and keep RH and FAE high but i m nervous and afraid about overlay :wink:

thanks for help




I think you're right, except overlay is not something to worry about. You'll be fine. Overlay is an extreme condition.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: anonjon]
    #12448259 - 04/24/10 08:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks all :smile:

Hey scatman, ok they can be bigger, we will see, curiously i m getting only small mushrooms, but my substrate depth is only around 1" 1/2"

Yesterday night i was practicing my agar skill, i cut the bigger and thirst to pin, and cloned it to agar. 10g wet just alone ...

Now i m working on trying to fruit some P.Mexicana. Tried to fruit directly from grass seed, 2 weeks and nothing ^^, at same time i got a bag with  mix manure / Verm / Coir / Rye grass spawned with rye grass seeds that will be soon ready to fruit.

I m planning to try some Pan Trop too, i used a DIY stirrer to make 200ml LC, Results in 3 days were amazing compare without stirrer. this one has been spray into 2 Rye grain jar and one wood/bran/straw/sawdust mix to let it a try. Those are in incubation box since 2 days.

So with those exotics species, if i don't need some help that i past too much time reading this board :laugh:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12449078 - 04/24/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've gotten decent size fruits on 1.5 inch subs before.

Small fruits means it's either too stifled, in which case they'll be rather thin, tall, and fuzzy...

or its a moisture problem, either too dry, or you over-watered and left standing water. Moisture problems are usually indicted by small, but well proportioned fruits.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: anonjon]
    #12450096 - 04/24/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i mean 0,5" min / 1" max not 1,5" :wink:

but  time to show my GH i think, inspired from hellrick tuto



1 : grow light 6400K 125W
2 : Temp controlling (not in use for time, no need heat)
3 : RH controller (Set up to trigger Fogger when RH is under 95%)
4 & 4' : air purifier entrance
5 : Fogger entrance
6 : Fogger
7 : Air purifier with HEPA filter
8 : Perlite

So Air is set up on 15 min on 45 min Off, i think it's plenty of fresh air. I tried 15 on / 15 Off but RH were running too low
Most of stuff is reuse from canna setup and we can't find any type of impeller humidifier here so i managed to use this air purifier

I don't think i m bad on FAE. but sometime i got micro droplet not on casing but directly on myc or shroom with the fogger. That is perhaps not good but can't see how to prevent that

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12450222 - 04/24/10 04:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Holy crap, 125Watts in your light...

You may be evaporating out moisture from your greenhouse with a light that powerful. I would cut the wattage down quite a bit and purchase a few more low wattage lights (15-25W) to place around the tiers in your green house.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Jitsu]
    #12450800 - 04/24/10 06:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Eek, I thought that was not so bad... it's a compact fluorescent lamp, energy saver and it's not really generating heat and RH is only shutting down when air purifier is on.

Light is 10 000 lumens 6400K with white/blue specter and is generally not too bad for growing purpose. If i use natural sun light it's going more hot than with this light. i was more worried about shroom taking too much light than too much heat :P I didn't find much more post with peeps using this kind of light

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12450839 - 04/24/10 06:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

6500K CFL's are what most people use

you must have quite the CFL if its putting out 10,000 lumens

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Shea25]
    #12451487 - 04/24/10 09:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I know those flouros..looks perfect to me, as long as it doesnt generate heat.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12466596 - 04/27/10 03:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey,

This light might be good and i think i m really doing something not too bad :P

Another step forward .... some P.mexicana are pinning :P



This one is more standard but going well too, P.C Treasure Coast :




And this pic is pretty funny, forgot something inside a box a day ...


I ll update in the week the P.mexicana tray.

Oh and i tryed to put an agar part in a LC, that's lead to something "special", lot of myc grew around and attach to the agar ... nothing i can do with that ? Any idea better than trash :laugh:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12469375 - 04/28/10 12:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You can use the LC to start new jars?

Looking good :thumbup:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12470292 - 04/28/10 07:59 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)



Hum Ye would be a great idea if you say me how to extract something from that :P

If i can beg some advices on agar too ^^

On this one i think i need to wait more before transfering :


Those 2 are pan cambo i don't really know if iso is good :



MS from Pan Tropicalis, this is not looking like other myc i tryed at time, don't really see what to tranfert


And for those two, i think i m near to finish iso but i think i still don't got only  1 sector




thanks :smile:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12470411 - 04/28/10 08:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Shake really hard, then use a syringe to suck it up. I think thats what your asking?

Pan myc is very cottony..


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12476756 - 04/29/10 10:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ye i saw that ^^

Some news now :smile:

1st i want to post a pic from the 1st flush from the Treasure coast tray so you will notice the difference between 1st and 2nd flush ... Genetic ?


TC 1st flush :


TC 2nd flush running :


And The Mexicana Tray, Top of the cap is really different from cubs ^^


Hope ya enjoy pics ^^and thanks again for all the help !

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12476814 - 04/29/10 11:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Is it me or do those mexicana look like cubes? I know theyre pointy ect, but they look like huge pins..Ive had cubes that looked very much like that. We'll see when they grow up.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12476930 - 04/29/10 11:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I found the myc really white on agar but was more orange with RGS. I didn't get any sclerotia from 4 or 5 jar but i transferred just when fully colonized. Spore are from MRCA so i m pretty sure they are good and what they labeled but you right they are more huge than what i was waiting for.

The fact is that i m misting (manually and with humidifier) and refreshing air as i never did and all shroom are looking really huge, on TC you see that they already grew as much as the 1st flush and they are still not open. I m using near 1L of water each day misting directly casing and sides of the GH

Edit : And temp during day is around 77°F 80°F with lot of evaporation and down to 68°F 70°F during the night

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12476937 - 04/29/10 11:28 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Lots of water wont make mexicanas huge though..they have very very thin stipes genetically...if those arent thin stipes..I think you may have some cubes going there.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12477028 - 04/29/10 11:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a pic of RGS colonizing



I inoculate the box with the syringe directly and no way i messed up something.

But for sure that's not looking like http://www.mrcashop.org/mushroom_shop/spore-syringe-psilocybe-mexicana-pi-656.html but since my 2nd TC flush has nothing to compare with his 1st flush ....

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12477071 - 04/29/10 11:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I havnt grown out mexicana but I have done pan cyans, very similar..the myc doesnt look right..looks like cubie myc. Im guessing along the way, the label got mixed up...it happens. Stipes for mexicana will only be 1-3 mm..if they are bigger (looks like it) well...you know..


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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12477257 - 04/29/10 12:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)



The myc was cotony not ryzo at all like pan trop actually are.

Btw 3 to 5 days to see them mature. I ll wait at least that and perhaps the 2nd flush too before complaining.

I m not sure i didn't used a bad bottle at start for misting... anyway for some mutation ? They got a really sharp hat ^^

I ll keep update during next days :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12482410 - 04/30/10 08:44 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

24 hours later ...

You gave me some doubts but they really look something like P.mexicana ^^
Anyway they will soon open ^^


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12482587 - 04/30/10 09:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to cast more doubts...

They look something like it..but those stems are 1/2 a cm to 1 cm wide...also note the roughness on the stem..not smooth..they dont look like mexicana to me.



Pointy caps means nothing..I wish I had better pointy capped pin photos.

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Re: casing and pining [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12483281 - 04/30/10 12:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ye, i think you right, this is definitely not a mexicana strain ...

When i received this order after 3 weeks without any news and no reply to mails, i used the syringe on MEA plate, the myc wasn't looking like pics i saw of mexicana grow at all. I mailed about that and someone answered to me there was no possible mess up.

At same time i ordered a GT print that is untouched, perhaps they prepared the syringe with the wrong print ^^

Damn will need to wait for incubating pan trops before to be proud to grow something else than cubs ^^

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12529171 - 05/08/10 09:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Whello !

Ok I think this time there is no mess up ^^

1st, Pan Ban lamai casing, Spawn bag with RGS/straw/manure spawned with Rye grain
It's my first time with pans and don't know if i need to patch that. Put directly in FC after cased 1 week ago.


2nd and 3th Pan Trop, spawn bag with RGS/straw/manure spawned with Rye grain



and the 4th, Still Pan Trop, Spawned directly in jar with straw/manure mix then cased in 1L microbox and ..... Pinningggg !!!!! wuwuw ... but pins are curious, doesn't they look curiously greenish ? ....


like always all advice are welcome :smile:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12530960 - 05/09/10 09:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Looks great so far. The pans looks normal to me.

The way I identify a properly applied casing layer is when the pins underneath the casing carry sediment on the cap of the mushroom during fruiting.

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Jitsu]
    #12535859 - 05/10/10 08:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hello !

Thanks Jitsu !

Some news pics ^^

Pan Trop (MRCA)

24h after 1st Pics :


36h after 1st pics :


Panaeolus (Copelandia) cambodginiensis : Thailand, Suphanburi Goliath(TM)  (Sporeworks)

Micro casing 10cmx10cm :


Big Casing :


I don't know at all when those pan will be ready for harvest or/and printing, any advice on this point is welcome :smile:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12541453 - 05/11/10 03:35 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

what do you mean by pans? paneolus sub......? are they harder to grow? Where I live I should be able to get away with growing them outdoors.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: bassfrequences]
    #12541552 - 05/11/10 04:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Those two casing are Panaeolus (Copelandia) Tropicalis and Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cambodginiensis.

I really did the same that i m doing with cubes.

FAE is now 2 min on 15 min off and i m running Ultrasonic for RH same way.

They need "high" temp, i m fine with 24°C/25°C

And i used bulk and casing like a n00b :smile:

Some caps started to drop spores so i harvested 2 clusters and began printing

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12541657 - 05/11/10 06:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

im wondering if your pan trop is really pan trop cause i thought that the only pan trop that was going around was proven to be pan cambo by workman so its now pan cambo sandose domesticate.

i may be wrong here:shrug:

also those ones you thought were mexicana that were not. you could have been able to tell by the smell of the mycelium.

just how pan mycelium has a much different smell then cubes so do mexicana but different then both.

so in the future if there smelling anything like cube mycelium it is.

your pans are looking very nice by the way.:super:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: whyblameus]
    #12541685 - 05/11/10 06:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I m still looking why those mexicana are GT, but I think I orders both at same time and there is a mess up somewhere. Perhaps me but I don't think.

GT, mexicana, pan ban lamai, and pan trop all come from the same shroomery sponsor exept for pan cambo goliath that come from sporeworks, it's possible those pan trop are pan cambo too, they look really like the micro tray of cambo goliath but anyway i m happy they are pan !

I really see what you mean by different smell, I 1st think about a contam but all trays were smelling same

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12541752 - 05/11/10 07:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:quagmire:

The tropicalis is most likely a cambodginiensis, so just to be sure it would be a good idea to send workman a gill sample and spore print. I have the same 'tropicalis' from MRCA but youre about 4 days aahead of me :cool:.

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Re: casing and pining [Re: badman]
    #12547923 - 05/12/10 10:22 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey i ll be happy to compare with your results, i used a really small tray and i m curious to know if they could be bigger.

I pm workman yesterday about that and a cap sample and print are on the way.

For now some news

1st flush of pan trop ended with 1,94g dried, good for some trips :smile:

And here some news pics

Sporeworks Pan combo goliath :


MRCA Pan Ban Lamai :


Pan but i lost tracking forgot it when bulk, that's perhaps pan cyan


I had better Pinset with those other pan "trop".

I followed Jitsu advice and added 25W fluo tube at each tier of the GH.

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12547967 - 05/12/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Wow nice job! My pan cams did not germinate. :frown:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: cole2684]
    #12556117 - 05/13/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Thx :wink:

Pan Ban Lamai are soon ready for harvest, i already pick up some and start printing. Obviously they really look like pan "trops". I think I'll  stick with sporeworks in the future.
Anyway there is a cool Siamese shroom both link by same cap


Here some pics of the no name pan tray :


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12556146 - 05/13/10 03:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Did you find goliath took longer to pin that the MRCA 'tropicalis'?

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    #12556280 - 05/13/10 04:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:rockon:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: badman]
    #12556309 - 05/13/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think so. But i tried differents teks (2 day innoc after cased, directly in FC, patched or not) so i can't really say. I just think i got faster pinning but not necessery better pinning when introducting directly in FC after cased, i used to let the tray overcolonize bulk for a week i don't really know if 2gr dry for 750ml of substrate is a good ratio :smile:

I got another goliath tray that is comming in the GH we ll see, the micro casing was too micro lol 250ml of substrate, this time it's a 4L one.


ty anon :wink:

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12556685 - 05/13/10 05:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Pans are pans are pans are pans :evil:

Theyre looking quite nice now..glad you got something besides cubes growing:stoned:

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    #12557108 - 05/13/10 06:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Here some pics of the no name pan tray :


thanks all :smile:




hay those look familiar i know were you got the print of that from.:lol:


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Re: casing and pining [Re: whyblameus]
    #12560095 - 05/14/10 02:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome. You've definitely made me want to do some pan growing : )

Do you find that you get a lot of air exchange through all parts of your green house? It sort of looks like the no name pans are developing some bacterial blotch.


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Re: casing and pining [Re: Jitsu]
    #12560864 - 05/14/10 09:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

SMR : ty for your encouragements, i know what you mean now by pans are pans :wink:

WBU : i think i ll got some prints to send around ^^

Jitsu : I hope to see that soon, Inside the GreenHouse, i added one more air entrance in the lower tier, now with 3 entrances , in 2 min (with 15 min off) where the blower is on i cycle air 3 times, now both Ultrasonic start for 2 min 1 min after the blower like that when the blower stop there is one more min with only ultrasonic. I m trying to follow RR advices and his setting that is 2 ultrasonic 1 min each 6 min. My humidity now is alway between 88% and 94% that's ok i think with casing mode.

For the bacterial problem I think you right, i ll harvest few yesterday and found the inside of the end of the stem full brown, i didn't saw that earlier so i think i ll post some pics later when i ll harvest. If i m not sure anyway i ll put that in compost after printing

Now the really good news :smile: I been dismiss (Fired ?) recently so i got some time so i ordered some new species from Sporeworks, all at home this morning ! (1 week from order to delivery from US to EU ^^)

I don't know what I'm going to start with, for sure some species will need to wait for lowers temps, all will be try indoor but 1 or 2 selected for a try on outdoor spawn :wink: (Psilocybe antioquensis, azurescens, cubensis : Albino A+, (APE ver. 1.0),PF Albino, Psilocybe cyanofranciscana, hispanica,mexicana Jalisco, pelliculosa : ,Psilocybe sierrae ,tampanensis Pollock,Panaeolus Sandose Domesticate) and there is 2 freebies PES amazonian and Burma

So i think i m around for a long long time :P sorry ^^hahha


EDIT :

Ok just Harvest Ben lamai : 40g wet, harvested 5g yesterday and few biggest caps are printing


And now pics of a shroom from the no name tray, look at the brown shit inside, i don't think they are safe to eat. will try a shot in the contam forum i think

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Re: casing and pining [Re: Nounan]
    #12561575 - 05/14/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Nounan said:
SMR : ty for your encouragements, i know what you mean now by pans are pans :wink:

WBU : i think i ll got some prints to send around ^^

Jitsu : I hope to see that soon, Inside the GreenHouse, i added one more air entrance in the lower tier, now with 3 entrances , in 2 min (with 15 min off) where the blower is on i cycle air 3 times, now both Ultrasonic start for 2 min 1 min after the blower like that when the blower stop there is one more min with only ultrasonic. I m trying to follow RR advices and his setting that is 2 ultrasonic 1 min each 6 min. My humidity now is alway between 88% and 94% that's ok i think with casing mode.

For the bacterial problem I think you right, i ll harvest few yesterday and found the inside of the end of the stem full brown, i didn't saw that earlier so i think i ll post some pics later when i ll harvest. If i m not sure anyway i ll put that in compost after printing

Now the really good news :smile: I been dismiss (Fired ?) recently so i got some time so i ordered some new species from Sporeworks, all at home this morning ! (1 week from order to delivery from US to EU ^^)

I don't know what I'm going to start with, for sure some species will need to wait for lowers temps, all will be try indoor but 1 or 2 selected for a try on outdoor spawn :wink: (Psilocybe antioquensis, azurescens, cubensis : Albino A+, (APE ver. 1.0),PF Albino, Psilocybe cyanofranciscana, hispanica,mexicana Jalisco, pelliculosa : ,Psilocybe sierrae ,tampanensis Pollock,Panaeolus Sandose Domesticate)

So i think i m around for a long long time :P sorry ^^hahha


EDIT :

Ok just Harvest Ben lamai : 40g wet, harvested 5g yesterday and few biggest caps are printing


And now pics of a shroom from the no name tray, look at the brown shit inside, i don't think they are safe to eat. will try a shot in the contam forum i think






Excellent. Follow RR's advice for sure. I could be wrong, it's difficult for me to distinguish what those black spots are from the pictures. It could very well be normal spore depositing.


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