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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. *DELETED* [Re: boogiem0nst3r]
    #12436046 - 04/22/10 03:59 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: boogiem0nst3r]
    #12436213 - 04/22/10 06:08 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

... Using cakes as bulk spawn... haha

Switch to WBS or Rye, and all will be well.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: gstay]
    #12436223 - 04/22/10 06:11 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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gstay said:
... Using cakes as bulk spawn... haha

Switch to WBS or Rye, and all will be well.




This is wrong!

Crumbled PF cakes are perfectly fine for using them as as bulk spawn. I -as well as many other- do it all the time with great results.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. *DELETED* [Re: Fahkface]
    #12436280 - 04/22/10 06:47 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: mainratte]
    #12436298 - 04/22/10 06:55 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It depends on what you want to cultivate.

For Cubes a depth of 3" to 5" is pretty normal.

My regular substrate depth with Cubes is about 4".

Depending on the substrate you use, you want a spawn/substrate ratio of up to 1:4.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: Fahkface]
    #12436438 - 04/22/10 08:01 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Fahkface said:
Quote:

gstay said:
... Using cakes as bulk spawn... haha

Switch to WBS or Rye, and all will be well.




This is wrong!

Crumbled PF cakes are perfectly fine for using them as as bulk spawn. I -as well as many other- do it all the time with great results.




Notice the, "haha" after the first sentence. It wasn't meant to be serious advice.

I've just been under the impression that WBS is a more "serious" bulk spawn than cakes. Correction noted.

Edited by gstay (04/22/10 08:03 AM)

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: gstay]
    #12436904 - 04/22/10 10:16 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

3-1/2 pints..minus the dry verm barrier...your only using about a pint of spawn...not enough for good fruiting IMO.

All in all though, the casing looks healthy as does the mushrooms.


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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12437125 - 04/22/10 11:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

id say you didnt use near enough spawn.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12438152 - 04/22/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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scatmanrav said:
3-1/2 pints..minus the dry verm barrier...your only using about a pint of spawn...not enough for good fruiting IMO.

All in all though, the casing looks healthy as does the mushrooms.




Btw, thats not casing as this is just pure coir + cakes, uncased.

So did I just not use enough spawn, is that the issue?  What about moisture content, can anyone comment on that?

_boogie.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: boogiem0nst3r]
    #12438467 - 04/22/10 02:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

You put it into the fc too early...you shouldn't be able to see the substrate.

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Btw, thats not casing as this is just pure coir  cakes, uncased.

So did I just not use enough spawn, is that the issue?  What about moisture content, can anyone comment on that?

_boogie.




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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: xanthar]
    #12438502 - 04/22/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I put it in the FC from the recommendations of posts within this thread, they recommended that I put it in the FC as my tray started pinning early and it was already going on 2 weeks.

But i will take into consideration that possibility that it was indeed to early, but the tray seemed to have stalled at a certain point.

_boogie.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: Naz]
    #12438824 - 04/22/10 03:35 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Coir looks very dry to me.
Also if your FC is not yet calibrated to your climate it could dry it even more, and when you have the top of the substrate dry then the myc will not look fluffy.


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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scifi5001]
    #12439075 - 04/22/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

ok so the surface is very dry, shall i mist more often/a bit heavier then?

my chamber is 95-100% rh at all times btw.

thanks,

_boogie.

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: boogiem0nst3r]
    #12442414 - 04/23/10 07:37 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Do you trust your hygrometer? It is common for the cheap ones to be inaccurate at the high end of the scale.
I would mist the casing really well a couple of times for a day, but I really think a good long dunk would be the most beneficial.
The substrate was too dry from the start.


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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scifi5001]
    #12443168 - 04/23/10 11:15 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

"I also made sure to achieve field capacity before pastuerizing--> grabbed handfuls of coir at a time and squeezed out all excess moisture then filled jars with it."

Field capacity does not mean you squeeze all the water out of it..When you squeeze a handfull a little, a few drips should come out, when you squeeze hard, a steady little stream should come out. If you squeezed all of it so all that dripped out, that was one problem.

It also seems you added no verm? Verm holds and releases water better then coir, or most anything for that matter. If you can add some next time, I would.

I wouldnt dunk it..but I would maybe open the spray bottle and pour a little on top, water like a plant..let it abosrob. Be careful doing this, only a little at a time and pour off any water thats still standing on the tub (I improperly call all bulk trays "casings" BTW, thats why I said casing earlier) after an hour.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12443863 - 04/23/10 01:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

question, when you case a cake do you want to mix it with the sub?

or place a layer of sub, then crumbled cake, then more sub?

also, should there be holes in the bottom of the container?


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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: mopusophop]
    #12443872 - 04/23/10 01:29 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yes

Yes

And no

I prefer to mix. You can layer.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12443900 - 04/23/10 01:36 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

scatmanrav said:
Yes

Yes

And no

I prefer to mix. You can layer.




thnx scatmanrav :smile:


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Re: BRF Spawned to Coir - Stalling? + Premature Pinning? *PICS* please help. [Re: mopusophop]
    #12444192 - 04/23/10 02:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

it just seems to me you would get more nutrient from grain then all that verm from pf cakes. however if i didnt have a pressure cooker id just use brf to spawn tubs for sure....

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