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Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion
    #12390397 - 04/14/10 06:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hes emphasizing how hes going to create lots more sustainable jobs
i think hes going to get reelected
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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Coaster]
    #12390417 - 04/14/10 06:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is 6 billion even anything significant for NASA?


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Coaster]
    #12390424 - 04/14/10 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought he already said he didn't want to run for president twice?


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: pmb]
    #12390428 - 04/14/10 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Is 6 billion even anything significant for NASA?



I think that's about a 20-25% increase over last years, maybe more.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Solemente] * 1
    #12390435 - 04/14/10 06:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's too bad theres so many wars, the resources spent on wars could easily have us on mars by now and maybe even close to Venus or checking out Jupiter.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Coaster]
    #12390439 - 04/14/10 06:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I approve.
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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: grimeyobject]
    #12390445 - 04/14/10 06:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought he already said he didn't want to run for president twice?




thats what everyone says, its part of the campaign tricks.  If you know who your running against that lets you prepare, even tho you really don't have to once a party/gov picks you for pres.

However, he might be letting his wife run next, and then once her term is up he'll giver her another go

anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: pmb] * 1
    #12390448 - 04/14/10 06:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's too bad theres so many wars, the resources spent on wars could easily have us on mars by now and maybe even close to Venus or checking out Jupiter.




but you forget money is an imaginary object, and bodies are a renewable resource


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Coaster]
    #12390509 - 04/14/10 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Coaster said:
hes emphasizing how hes going to create lots more sustainable jobs





he's been claiming this for a while now, too bad the only jobs he's 'created' are in government and china


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i think hes going to get reelected
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not likely, he killed his chances with the health insurance reform bill


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12390510 - 04/14/10 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Palin 2012!


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12390511 - 04/14/10 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time



NASA's mission is broader than just putting people on the moon, and if possible bringing them back. Also, its importance is wider than just space exploration: through the engineering problems it defines, NASA becomes a potential customer for all those small and larger firms that have interesting technologies that await commercialization. So in fact, Obama is pumping $6B into your economy through NASA.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: deCypher]
    #12390517 - 04/14/10 07:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Mr. Cypher said:
Palin 2012!





24% of the voters currently identify themselves with the tea party
movement, it was only 16% last month... it may be palin after all


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12390534 - 04/14/10 07:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Shit, I hope not.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #12390545 - 04/14/10 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit, I hope not.




shit, it cant be worse than what we have now...


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #12390558 - 04/14/10 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit, I hope not.




shit, it cant be worse than what we have now...



nothings worse than the status quo:coaster:


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390570 - 04/14/10 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time



NASA's mission is broader than just putting people on the moon, and if possible bringing them back. Also, its importance is wider than just space exploration: through the engineering problems it defines, NASA becomes a potential customer for all those small and larger firms that have interesting technologies that await commercialization. So in fact, Obama is pumping $6B into your economy through NASA.



so true, I live 20 min from KSC and people are freaking out about the end of the shuttle program.  Not sure of the number, but suffice it to say a whole helluva lot of people are about to get laid off when that ends.

as for 6b to NASA; I know Obama is coming here thursday to unveil a space "plan".... is that 6b part of that?

as for how much obama sucks, let somebody hand you a flaming bag of dog shit and see how easy it is to get it looking all nice and smelling pretty again.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390572 - 04/14/10 08:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time



NASA's mission is broader than just putting people on the moon, and if possible bringing them back. Also, its importance is wider than just space exploration: through the engineering problems it defines, NASA becomes a potential customer for all those small and larger firms that have interesting technologies that await commercialization. So in fact, Obama is pumping $6B into your economy through NASA.




but i do believe space was its intended goal and main goal.  instead it looks like were working on building a space "base" instead.

at any rate id take putlin over michella anyday


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: pmb]
    #12390579 - 04/14/10 08:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Is 6 billion even anything significant for NASA?



as a budget increase, no.





the U.S.A. is so far ahead of other countries as far as space is concerned that it is our best interest to maintain and increase our NASA and related programs.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12390581 - 04/14/10 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time



NASA's mission is broader than just putting people on the moon, and if possible bringing them back. Also, its importance is wider than just space exploration: through the engineering problems it defines, NASA becomes a potential customer for all those small and larger firms that have interesting technologies that await commercialization. So in fact, Obama is pumping $6B into your economy through NASA.




but i do believe space was its intended goal and main goal.  instead it looks like were working on building a space "base" instead.




All good, but my message is simply: it doesn't matter what NASA actually does, fact of the matter is that if you give it a shitload of money, then it's going to spend a shitload of money. And that's going to come to the advantage of an entire network of businesses. I'm pretty sure that's an (perhaps _the_) important motive for this investment. Any access to space we might gain is a nice bonus at this point.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks] * 3
    #12390593 - 04/14/10 08:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

personally if they arn't working on space that money could be helping alot more people in better ways.  Everyone at nasa most likely makes triple digits, how many more people could have been given jobs if that money went to real buisnesses. and they might not even be creating any more new jobs with that 6 billion.

I just did a quick calculation and you can build 120,000 mushroom farms with that money which can then either produce jobs, or produce food for the poor, either way its doing alot more good than NASA and there pens that write upside down.:nonono:


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390599 - 04/14/10 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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anyways i could have sworn i just got done reading about a week ago how obama was cutting nasa funds and also said we weren't going to the moon for a long long time



NASA's mission is broader than just putting people on the moon, and if possible bringing them back. Also, its importance is wider than just space exploration: through the engineering problems it defines, NASA becomes a potential customer for all those small and larger firms that have interesting technologies that await commercialization. So in fact, Obama is pumping $6B into your economy through NASA.




but i do believe space was its intended goal and main goal.  instead it looks like were working on building a space "base" instead.




All good, but my message is simply: it doesn't matter what NASA actually does, fact of the matter is that if you give it a shitload of money, then it's going to spend a shitload of money. And that's going to come to the advantage of an entire network of businesses. I'm pretty sure that's an (perhaps _the_) important motive for this investment. Any access to space we might gain is a nice bonus at this point.



yeah, the basic feeling around here for the Harris, DRS, etc. employees (all major defense subcontractors down here that work with Nasa) is that they are pretty much fucked when the shuttle ends.  And I'm talking double digit thousands of people fucked. And all in one localized area, that very much, depends on the space program.  The space program, with tourism being in second place, is the driving force of the Brevard County FL economy.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12390602 - 04/14/10 08:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, but 120000 mushroom farms are going to produce lots and lots of mushrooms. That's it. Putting $6B into NASA is supposedly going to be an impulse for a high tech industry that might come up with technologies that will advance us as a species much more than a ton of mushrooms. I think that's the theory here. And although I realize very well that I'm simplifying stuff that is really quite complicated, you cannot dismiss this line of thinking just that easily.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390610 - 04/14/10 08:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, but 120000 mushroom farms are going to produce lots and lots of mushrooms. That's it. Putting $6B into NASA is supposedly going to be an impulse for a high tech industry that might come up with technologies that will advance us as a species much more than a ton of mushrooms. I think that's the theory here. And although I realize very well that I'm simplifying stuff that is really quite complicated, you cannot dismiss this line of thinking just that easily.



definitely, there is a lot of stuff around today that came from the space program.  bubble wrap and tempur-pedic come to mind. Yeah it sounds like inconsequential stuff, but those are just the first two that come to mind. i'm sure a lot of "technology" has come out of the different programs.  just not sure exactly what specific items off the top of my head.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390613 - 04/14/10 08:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

so people should suffer so a bunch of wasteful fat bastereds in nasa get to spend millions of dollars on the next PEN?


and what about the people coming up with inventions, it used to happen right?  I wonder why not so much anymore?  because they are all suffering more now, living busier lives, to finance others, like those in NASA?


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12390621 - 04/14/10 08:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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so people should suffer so a bunch of wasteful fat bastereds in nasa get to spend millions of dollars on the next PEN?




haha I can't remember the exact quote but it had to do with Russia and the USA, how much money the USA spent to develop a pen that would write in zero-g, upside down, water, etc.  The russians, spent no money however, they just used a pencil

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and what about the people coming up with inventions, it used to happen right?  I wonder why not so much anymore?  because they are all suffering more now, living busier lives, to finance others, like those in NASA?



I don't think the actual inventions are as common right now. I think it is more research and stuff being done in space.  I don't think anybody on here can really say, further than speculation, what is coming out of NASA (innovation wise) right now.


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    #12390623 - 04/14/10 08:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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so people should suffer so a bunch of wasteful fat bastereds in nasa get to spend millions of dollars on the next PEN?



The question is if you spend those $6B in another way, if that will reduce the overall suffering more than spending it on NASA. Moreover, it's not 'either-or', it's 'and-and'. On the US budget, $6B is nothing.

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and what about the people coming up with inventions, it used to happen right?
  I wonder why not so much anymore?



I'm not sure that statement is true. I'm not convinced at all that inventiveness has decreased. It's evidently your perception, but what is it based on? One thing I do suspect is this: as a society becomes more and more prosperous and offers more forms of social security, entrepreneurship will decline as a result of people becoming less dependent on their own devices than when they had no social security at all. A decline in entrepreneurship is often regarded as a symptom of some sort of decline of society, while in fact, it is a clear indication that a society is thriving. But entrepreneurship does not equal invention.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390637 - 04/14/10 08:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

people need food, always have always will.  Not everyone gets a meal everynight, so id have to say our problem right now should be feeding them, once we get the "basic's" worked out, then we can start spending money on research.  im sure half of what nasa makes will be military inclined at this point...it wouldn't surprize me anyway.  it seems like a common saying, but we gotta fix our shit before we worry about fucking up another planet.  If people never had to worry about food, if that problem was wiped out, don't you think that would be a hell of a lot more important, and make everyting else we do alot easier...including w/e it is NASA is sopposed to be doing.

and it is either or, that 6B either went to NASA, OR it went somewhere else.

as for inventiveness, i already mentioned why, people are more busy these days, and have bigger worrys, and they have the lovely NASAINS to do the inventing so why should they bother?


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people need food, always have always will.  Not everyone gets a meal everynight, so id have to say our problem right now should be feeding them, once we get the "basic's" worked out, then we can start spending money on research.  im sure half of what nasa makes will be military inclined at this point...it wouldn't surprize me anyway.  it seems like a common saying, but we gotta fix our shit before we worry about fucking up another planet.  If people never had to worry about food, if that problem was wiped out, don't you think that would be a hell of a lot more important, and make everyting else we do alot easier...including w/e it is NASA is sopposed to be doing.

and it is either or, that 6B either went to NASA, OR it went somewhere else

as for inventiveness, i already mentioned why, people are more busy these days, and have bigger worrys, and they have the lovely NASAINS to do the inventing so why should they bother?


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6b is not going to solve the food crisis, not even come close. But if we discover a renewable energy source on a not-too-distant planet, that is cheap, and doesn't pollute the environment, that'll free up a lot of resources to be used elsewhere.

I was really stoned, and really late at night but watched a show that focused on some of the things that have come out of nasa, the two I mentioned already are the only ones I remember... but I do remember that a lot of the stuff they showed wasn't military related. yes, a lot of nasa research can and will be applied to militaristic achievements.  but a lot of nasa research also trickles down into regular civilian life.  NASA, for the most part, doesn't invent stuff.  But they do make the discoveries that allow scientist here on earth to invent stuff.

two options (yeah there's more, but for sake of simpleness and argument):
a) take 6b, dump it into farms, feed a bunch of needy people, and 6b is gone, for the most part.

b) take 6b, dump it into NASA.  Nasa scientist doesn't lose his job, and goes and spends his bit of that money at Panera Bread tonight, college student helping him at panera bread still has a job and goes to school, graduates, makes money, spends money, helps to keep many people with a job.



the 6b is not gone if its dumped into nasa, its just recycled into the economy, but, for the most part, if you use that 6b to feed the needy, its essentially donating that 6b and its gone.

Not sure about you, but I don't remember too many instances of a homeless guy inventing anything.

as for bigger worries:
just quick looked it up:
23,000 are expected to lose jobs in BREVARD COUNTY (thats, one county, not widespread across the USA, and trust me, this county already isn't doing too hot due to the recession)
1 tech job (of which the majority of those 23k jobs are) creates 3 entry-level positions (grocers, food service, etc).
thats over 60k people right there, alone. Not to mention the hit the housing market, construction, etc on the space coast is going to take if nasa goes capput. most of these people do not directly work for nasa either, but rather for sub-contractors who have already laid off a lot of people around here.

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as for inventiveness, i already mentioned why, people are more busy these days, and have bigger worrys, and they have the lovely NASAINS to do the inventing so why should they bother?



lack of inventiveness, do you realize how much technology has advanced recently. shit, most of the top ten in demand jobs didn't exist 10 years ago.  how's that for inventiveness.  just because nobody has invented a lightbulb recently doesn't mean inventiveness doesn't happen every day.  patents are hard to come by for a reason.  its not so much actual inventions anymore as it is innovations and refining already existing products.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12390678 - 04/14/10 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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people need food, always have always will.  Not everyone gets a meal everynight, so id have to say our problem right now should be feeding them, once we get the "basic's" worked out, then we can start spending money on research. 



I don't think you can suspend the economy to solve the worldwide food problem. I think you have to work on both. If you focus solely on the food problem, your society will dwindle and the American dream will become a huge nightmare overnight. So spend money on research in order to stimulate the economy, which will generate money and a part of that you can (should) spend on humanitarian aid. I think that's a more sustainable, less short-sighted way of doing things.

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as for inventiveness, i already mentioned why, people are more busy these days, and have bigger worrys, and they have the lovely NASAINS to do the inventing so why should they bother?



I think that logic is flawed on too many levels to seriously debate. It is debatable if people are actually busier these days than before (when, exactly? 10 yrs ago? 50? 500?). Nor are their worries greater (health care, social security, life expectancy, financial security: all substantially improved over the past decades). And someone (NASA) inventing stuff being an impediment to other people inventing stuff? I don't follow that. Invention isn't exclusive. More than one entity in the world can invent. Moreover, it's often not even NASA that does all the inventing that's necessary for its missions. A lot of it occurs in its vast network of technology partners and suppliers, which should be benefited by the current plan.

I think we don't just differ in opinion on this issue, we differ in our views that underly our respective concepts of society.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: koraks]
    #12390688 - 04/14/10 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think we don't just differ in opinion on this issue, we differ in our views that underly our respective concepts of society.



+1
smartest thing I heard during this whole debate.

for the guy who thinks that 6b could solve the food problem:
next time you're going to the mall, grocery store, movies, etc:
don't. rather than keep decent food in the fridge get the 7c a packet ramen noodles (and nothing else), and take all your extra money and feed needy people... not so easy when its put that way is it?


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: nismo2491]
    #12391877 - 04/14/10 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i don't recall saying it would solve our food problem, i think i said it would help alot, alot more than 6B to NASA.  We don't know what NASA will invent or come up with...if anything, with the 6B.  Its an unknown.  But id venture to guess it would be less rather than more.

and yes I'm well aware of over population and how what I could do would help, but this isn't about me, but since i pay taxes, yah kinda. So even if im not eating ramens, im already doing my part by paying all the fucked up taxes, but its up to the gov to use it right.  When the country is hurting they shouldn't be pouring out the money, and it sure as hell shouldn't be going towards nasa for more pens, foam beds, and bubble wrap. This is about our government and what it can do.  As it stands not only do they not care about overpopulation, they encourage it.  Meanwhile making no improvements to the farm industry, other than some ethanol plants to help further shorten our food supplies.

As for your plan A.  how do mushroom farms just disappear?  As for plan B.  how do mushroom farms not provide jobs and stimulate the economy?:confused:  the 6B was to build the farms, not buy mushrooms from china.  as such the farms can recycle waste, and be run by volunteers.

farms to stimulate the economy, if anything they do it MORE.  These foods are renewable, its a real product that is here and now, and highly desired and always will be, technology that isn't here and now, and old technology that gets phased out and becomes meaningless....is wasteful.  So in actuality its the farms that are going to win in your A, and B scenarios.

as for worries, i think people have a shitload more to worry about these days rather than back in the day.  That's why we have pills for just about every human emotion, and as for health its getting worse not better.  We might live longer due to life support, but that does not mean we are healthier.  In fact if you break it down to an individuals life, and compare it with now and back in the day, today your going to have ALOT more problems during your life.  as for social security, how do people not worry about that, its said it most likely won't even be here.  as for financial security, i don't think the housing crisis was such a problem back in the day either.  Altho i guess i am going kinda way back, but its to point out that all this technology does not help us, it just sucks our resources away from us and i know its not just technology that does it, big gov is also to blame.

and i already mentioned, people live busier lives and if you want to know when...anytime in the past.  The more complex society gets, the more overpopulated, the more everyone has to chip in, that's the way it works.  and when you suck the resources from the population, that is going to put a bit of a hamper on inventions don't you think?  Plus think about what you can all purchase from a store...not much.  its all kiddy proofed and intended to prevent people from DYI'ing.  They barely stock sheet metal anymore, and copper pipes are becoming something for royalty.  The days of making things ourselves is coming to an end.  Were only allowed to build what people have blueprints for, and that's all the stores are going to keep in stock.  I'm sure threes some kind of safety class inventors need to take but they don't offer that, so i guess you just wait to be arrested when your potato launcher goes weary


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8] * 1
    #12392028 - 04/14/10 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I pray Palin runs in 2012.  Another landslide (by todays standards) victory for Obama would be assured.

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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: ShockValue]
    #12392079 - 04/14/10 03:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I fully support this.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Coaster]
    #12392133 - 04/14/10 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hes emphasizing how hes going to create lots more sustainable jobs
i think hes going to get reelected
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best thing ive heard from obama.    maybe nasa will start the search for alien planets  :wink:


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    #12392352 - 04/14/10 03:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

According to a bunch of people we've already been to mars :shrug:

Anyone believe that?


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    #12392363 - 04/14/10 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No.


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    #12392372 - 04/14/10 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Probes yeah, but untill a man physically steps foot on a planet we havn't been there.


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    #12392522 - 04/14/10 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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According to a bunch of people we've already been to mars :shrug:

Anyone believe that?




weve had robots in mars but no people have actually went...    from what i last heard, nasa was planning to go to the moon in 2020  and after that work on getting to mars.    imo it would make sense to set the goal straight for mars, as weve been to the moon before... according to them at least


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: skatealex2]
    #12392551 - 04/14/10 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

wait, but I thought their budget was being cut?

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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Envix]
    #12392608 - 04/14/10 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'm actually related to someone who was part of the mars rover team. :thumbup:

But SOME people have said that we've actually had people on mars, but it's a black project. :rolleyes: Interesting stuff though.

But I agree. They should set a mission for mars and leave the moon alone.


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    #12392810 - 04/14/10 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

obama cut the Aris or whatever its called rock program, wasnt really that craetive anyway. we need a new shuttle type something, maybe work with private companies to design something epic. we need to start doing things right and stop sucking.


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    #12392832 - 04/14/10 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #12393002 - 04/14/10 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

people need to stop thinking about the moon, or other planets.
planets have huge gravity wells and are expensive to land on and get off (climb out of) again.
Asteroids people! specifically Near Earth Objects.
they take virtually no energy to land on or take off from, and alot have a hell of a lot more useful alloys and even chemicals that could form the basis of organic compounds than the moon does.
automated mining plants could start sending back huge lumps of asteroid mined mineals and organic matter before we even need to put another person in orbit.
although realistically unless our robotics technology gets a hell of alot better at least a few people will need to go up there to set it all up.
NEO's also offer the best option for the first space colonies as resources could be sent and traded between them at virtually no cost.


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    #12393227 - 04/14/10 06:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we are at least a century away from it being cost-effective to mine extraterrestrial bodies of any kind


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: laserpig]
    #12393422 - 04/14/10 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we just need to create some replicators and put them on the moon, i hear the moon has some components to make fuel last i heard anyway.  If we just create a robot that can run off moon dust that would be a huge step, or if that fails, solar power would be another route.  We wouldn't have to send the power back to earth, if all we managed to do was harvest and store it on the moon that would be good enough for a reason for a moon base. 

I think the biggest challenge however, is that space ships require a fuel and not electricity for movement right?  I guess thats where hydrogen could come into play, use the electricity on the moon to seperate the hydro from the water, they did find water recently on the moon right?


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12393528 - 04/14/10 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mushroom farms, seriously?


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    #12393555 - 04/14/10 07:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know if I like spending so much money on the space program.  Let's make sure everyone on earth is taken care of before we dump so much money into finding out whether or not there was once water on Mars. 










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    #12393565 - 04/14/10 07:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know if I like spending so much money on the space program.  Let's make sure everyone on earth is taken care of before we dump so much money into finding out whether or not there was once water on Mars. 






Spending money on the space program in no way impedes taking care of people on earth.


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    #12393569 - 04/14/10 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

We need money to take care of people on earth though.











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    #12393574 - 04/14/10 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Although spending lots of money on bombing and shooting people is.


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    #12393583 - 04/14/10 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Although spending lots of money on bombing and shooting people is.




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    #12393589 - 04/14/10 07:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We need money to take care of people on earth though.






I disagree.  Money is not the answer at this point.  All the money in the world wont change bad systems.

Regardless, NASA spending money while people are starving is no worse then us buying internet while people are starving.  Its really a logical fallacy to assume that if we dont spend this money on NASA somehow it will 'take care of people'.  It wont.  So we might as well spend it on NASA.


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #12393591 - 04/14/10 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know if I like spending so much money on the space program.  Let's make sure everyone on earth is taken care of before we dump so much money into finding out whether or not there was once water on Mars. 



fuck that illogic
if we're gonna declare a halt on some kind of spending and divert it to feeding people, i vote we stop spending money on killing people
space exploration is one of the few truly noble things we do as a species, it should be the last thing to go if we're cutting species spending


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    #12393606 - 04/14/10 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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space exploration is one of the few truly noble things we do as a species, it should be the last thing to go if we're cutting species spending




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We need money to take care of people on earth though.






I disagree.  Money is not the answer at this point.  All the money in the world wont change bad systems.




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    #12393636 - 04/14/10 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

arguably all the money in the world IS the bad system

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    #12393644 - 04/14/10 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Possibly.  :satansmoking:


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    #12393659 - 04/14/10 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We need money to take care of people on earth though.






I disagree.  Money is not the answer at this point.  All the money in the world wont change bad systems.




False.




True. Bad systems which revolve around money only become more sustained and monotonous when money is waved infront of their face.


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    #12393661 - 04/14/10 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok...


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    #12393671 - 04/14/10 07:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

some people say things that don't mean things

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Space Elevator ftw!


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    #12393934 - 04/14/10 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Neil Armstrong does not "Approve." Moon vets say Obama's NASA cuts would ground U.S.


I would take Mr. Armstrongs advice when it comes to the space project over Obahhhhmas.

sorry if it's been posted. I couldn't bear to read the thread.


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    #12394052 - 04/14/10 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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hes emphasizing how hes going to create lots more sustainable jobs
i think hes going to get reelected
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The wright brothers (along with others) already invented that.


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Space Elevator ftw!




yayyy! :woot:

now planet EARTH can have it's own GIGANTIC DICK  :schoolsout:

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yayyy! :woot:

now planet EARTH can have it's own GIGANTIC DICK  :schoolsout:




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    #12394079 - 04/14/10 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The wright brothers (along with others) already invented that.



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LOL. come to Texas.. home of EARTH's DICK


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    #12394088 - 04/14/10 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Jobs, jobs, jobs. Jobs are the equivilant of busy work given by a teacher when absent and substituted. They literally prove that in THIS system we have nothing to live for save occupation.
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    #12395413 - 04/15/10 12:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

obamas plans getting a lot of shit from astronauts

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/space/04/14/us.space.program/index.html?hpt=T1


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you  guys have nothing to worry about,Obama is our friend.

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    #12395530 - 04/15/10 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

NASA and Obama should care about what the Astronauts think, just like the military should care what the pilots and infantry think.


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Are you saying the military shouldn't care what soldiers think?  :confused:  There opinion is as valid, or more so, than anyone else.


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Should or shouldn't, I don't know.  I just know that they don't.


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as for worries, i think people have a shitload more to worry about these days rather than back in the day.  That's why we have pills for just about every human emotion



haha so true, feeling too sad, take this. feeling too gloomy, take this.  feeling too happy, woah, calm down, take this. haha


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we are at least a century away from it being cost-effective to mine extraterrestrial bodies of any kind



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and if we stop space exploration then we basically hit the pause button on how far we are from mining bodies.
also the proposed nasa changes are for more robotic missions and such.  aka - the ability to search more extraterrestrial bodies safer and quicker than manned space flight.
not saying I agree with the changes, just making note.
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I don't know if I like spending so much money on the space program.  Let's make sure everyone on earth is taken care of before we dump so much money into finding out whether or not there was once water on Mars. 



fuck that illogic
if we're gonna declare a halt on some kind of spending and divert it to feeding people, i vote we stop spending money on killing people
space exploration is one of the few truly noble things we do as a species, it should be the last thing to go if we're cutting species spending



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suppp alex

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Obama is a punk president.  I laughed whenever he tries to pucker up to our enemies and they practically laugh in his face.  Russia is laughing at us, they enjoy it.  It is fun watching the democrats dissolve though. Obama will have a paragraph in the history books.  A nice and polite one on how the U.S. had its first black president then the people said "no thanks" to his liberal doctrine.  At least one good thing will come out of this I hope.  People will stop unconditionally supporting one party. 

And now NASA.  DERRR lets look at the stars when we are fighting a war, and flat broke.  Would you do that?  Buy a fucking telescope when you don't have a job and your neighbors down the block want to kill you.  If you answered yes, your a fuck wad just like every American politician for the last 50 years.  At least governments give the people some comedy.  Our founding fathers would be flipping in their graves if they saw the current generation of Americans and how we let the government get out of our grasp.


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I laughed whenever he tries to pucker up to our enemies and they practically laugh in his face.  Russia is laughing at us, they enjoy it.



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hes going to have a lot more than that lol, hes not no  Millard Fillmore
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    #12396095 - 04/15/10 03:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I bet they could make some crazy ass rollercoasters in space..

Okay, anyway. Yeah, I think this is kind of retarded with the current economy. I mean, we already have an assload in NASA. Also, it still bothers me that we're trying to do shit in space but we stlll don't know what the fuck is in the bottom of the oceans. Wouldn't it make more sense that another race is actually on OUR planet, the one that's actually fucking inhabitable? :awehigh:


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Obama is a punk president.  I laughed whenever he tries to pucker up to our enemies and they practically laugh in his face.  Russia is laughing at us, they enjoy it.  It is fun watching the democrats dissolve though. Obama will have a paragraph in the history books.  A nice and polite one on how the U.S. had its first black president then the people said "no thanks" to his liberal doctrine.



I love how you have decided this 1/2 through his (first?) term.....
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At least one good thing will come out of this I hope.  People will stop unconditionally supporting one party. 



unconditionally supporting one party.... have you watched any news recently, there is so much partisanship that its ridiculous. tea party movement... pretty sure they don't support this "one party".  there are all kinds of people out there, and they want to be heard, that don't support this "one party".


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    #12396126 - 04/15/10 03:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They might just leave him out of the books all together, much to complicated trying to write about him.  I mean how would they word it?  The first African American Muslim elected during a war on terror won the noble peace prize during a war, and spends more money on the military than on peace presents.

honestly the only thing i liked about him was that he lets scientists play with stem cells and embryonic fluid, but thats only because im selfish.

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They might just leave him out of the books all together, much to complicated trying to write about him.  I mean how would they word it?  The first African American Muslim elected during a war on terror won the noble peace prize during a war, and spends more money on the military than on peace presents.

honestly the only thing i liked about him was that he lets scientists play with stem cells and embryonic fluid, but thats only because im selfish.

but back on topic i do agree we should stop the wars and use that money for better things like food n space



muslim...? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22767392/ not muslim, at least doesn't claim to be.

I totally agree with the last statement though.  more money is being wasted on war, lots more, than is being wasted on space. thats our major problem. We've been in wartime production for the past 60 years!


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    #12396187 - 04/15/10 03:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pretty sure his dad is muslim, his name is muslimish, and he looks muslimisher.  I'm actually surprised anybody thinks he's black, he's brown.  He also doesn't possess any qualitys a black person would most likely have.  Everything he does looks forced like he's pretending to be black.

For example i seen that video of him throwing a baseball during a game, and he threw it like a girl.  His wife is black, and i know she could put the catcher into the ground with one of her throws, so how does his wife have more balls than him?


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pretty sure his dad is muslim, his name is muslimish, and he looks muslimisher.  I'm actually surprised anybody thinks he's black, he's brown.  He also doesn't possess any qualitys a black person would most likely have.  Everything he does looks forced like he's pretending to be black.

For example i seen that video of him throwing a baseball during a game, and he threw it like a girl.  His wife is black, and i know she could put the catcher into the ground with one of her throws, so how does his wife have more balls than him?



my mom's catholic, I'm italian, and my name is biblical.  But i'm not catholic!
dude, we live in 2010, get with the times, thats a pretty racist statement.  I mean seriously. I can't disagree with you that he throws like a girl, but based on the rest of your statement, one should expect him to be good at sports since he's black? is that one of the qualities he's lacking? or are you talking about his language? is it too proper for you? not ghetto enough? maybe its his attire, maybe the prez should be dressed in throwback jerseys and baggy jeans hanging below his ass, to assert his blackness for those that may doubt it. news flash bro, not every black person grew up in the hood.
edit: btw, the not looking black, kinda light skinned.  hey, maybe thats because him mom is white.  did you ever give that one a thought. his mom is white, and his dad is black. what happens when a black person and a white person make a baby...... here's your sign


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    #12396275 - 04/15/10 03:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

news flash bro,what i said "most likely", if i was racist i would have said ALL.  There is a thing called genetics, culture, and some other factors that give a race or culture some common charactoristics.  People of a culture/race on a whole typically carry some basic characteristic's.  And i never mentioned language.

And what exactly makes you think that i don't know a white and black person makes a brownie?  No need to be a dick.  I said he looks muslim, aka i believe somewhere in his genetic line is a muslim parent.  And then of course part of his name is similar to a terrorist, of course that was just pure luck i guess

as for the thread someone requested i believe this is it.

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news flash bro,what i said "most likely", if i was racist i would have said ALL.  There is a thing called genetics, culture, and some other factors that give a race or culture some common charactoristics.  People of a culture/race on a whole typically carry some basic characteristic's.  And i never mentioned language.

And what exactly makes you think that i don't know a white and black person makes a brownie?  No need to be a dick.  I said he looks muslim, aka i believe somewhere in his genetic line is a muslim parent.  And then of course part of his name is similar to a terrorist, of course that was just pure luck i guess

as for the thread someone requested i believe this is it.

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most likely is still a generalization, which is still racist (IMO). the "qualitys" (sic) that black people most likely have are not genetic. you can't take a dark skinned baby and put him in upper class society and expect him to turn out acting ghetto just because he's black.  thats what makes it a generalization and racist.  the exclusion of a small portion of the group by saying "most likely" and not all, does not negate the fact that its a generalization. at best, its a weak attempt at being politically correct.
btw, obama was raised by his white grandmother. his dad wasn't really around.
muslim is not a race/country/land. It is a religion. One cannot look a religion.  They can fit the characteristics of the majority of the followers of that religion.  Muslims are many different races, some predominately black (african), some middle eastern and lighter skinned. there is no genetics for muslim. BTW his dad is kenyan, which is very much a country that practices Islam, 1 in 10 people there, and its mainly concentrated to one area too.


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    #12396353 - 04/15/10 04:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

there is a difference and it isn't racist.  People make generalizations all the time.

And yes i know what muslims are, and (IMO) they look just like obama.

You act like you have some grand wisdom that i do not:rolleyes:  and have done nothing but bring this thread off topic for your trollish bullshit.


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all African Americans are black...omgz im racist!!:smilingpuppy:


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all African Americans are black...omgz im racist!!:smilingpuppy:



thats not a generalization thats an equation or a definition.  not the same thing
all african americans like watermelon, thats a generization
all blacks have darker skin than whites, thats a generalization
white men can't jump, generalization
white people are crackers, equation.

come on man,  just saying that something is itself but using another word isn't a generalization, you know that.


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    #12396435 - 04/15/10 05:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yah its called a joke.

and the key point here as mentioned before is that i didn't state "all" blacks or muslims ect ect. I also mentioned culture and other factors.  The fact of the matter is, most black people are better at sports, and you hear that shit in the movies and tv ect.  Thats why i said it, and i really can't believe your so butthurt over it.  You derailed this thread into another universe


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    #12396484 - 04/15/10 05:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is, as we all know, a finite amount of resources on the beautiful planet earth that we call home. Over time, these resources will become less and less until eventually, there will be no viable places for humans to live. Again, this isn't anytime soon but it will EVENTUALLY happen.

I'm all about space exploration. Even if it is to the tune of 6 billion dollars. The thing that I'm not OK with is that lets just say something catastrophic happens in the near future, (pretty likely) and the only way to survive moving forward is to essentially move to another planet/space station. The only people that are going to be able to do so are the extremely rich, presidents, stars, etc.

Basically its an investment in the future, hopefully for all of mankind and not just a select few.


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    #12396510 - 04/15/10 06:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well the problem is we havn't found a planet that can support life thats within range.  I believe we have only found 1 or 2 planets, the first 1 turned out to be a dud i think.  I guess there's a small chance we can terraform mars or something along those lines but i think water will be a huge problem.

we do need some major advances in technology to make an escape from earth possible, sadly i don't think we have the time.  However robots stand a good chance of living on.  Perhaps that will be our fate in the end, sending robots away with our dna, and when they find a planet they touch down and seed the planet with us.  hell maybe thats how we ended up on earth in the first place


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Re: Obama is increasing the NASA budget by Six Billion [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #12397455 - 04/15/10 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
well the problem is we havn't found a planet that can support life thats within range.  I believe we have only found 1 or 2 planets, the first 1 turned out to be a dud i think.  I guess there's a small chance we can terraform mars or something along those lines but i think water will be a huge problem.



we've discovered a lot more than 1 or 2 extrasolar (outside our solar system) planets.  415 as of december according to wikipedia.


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