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OfflineBaby_Hitler
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Mommy, where do rich people come from?
    #1238004 - 01/21/03 08:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Alot of people have an opinion about taxing the rich/taxing the poor. We should be asking "How do we create more rich people?".

"The rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer." How true is that really? Are the poor really getting poorer?

You know, the world isn't like some giant Monopoly game, where there's only so much money to be had.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238008 - 01/21/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

That's funny b/c a lot of ppl I know used to be poor as hell and now they're very successful.

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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238009 - 01/21/03 08:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

dupe


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Dilauded]
    #1238029 - 01/21/03 09:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

A lot more people are hopelessly stuck in poverty with no way out.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238042 - 01/21/03 09:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

In 1970 10% of the world's wealth was "currency speculation"
Now it 97.5% of the world wealth , so you see babyhitler this plays a large role in the live of us all becaue currency speculation is moving large ammount of currency from one counrty to another some of these "rich guys" can destabilize even a counrty like britan

Its as if there gambling while the rest of us use 2.5 percent of the worlds weath
that 2.5=stocks,getting paid for work , buying things etc etc etc
ANYTHING YOU DO WITH MONEY
other than currency speculation

and yes the poor are getting poorer try reading once in a while

oh and by the way if somone says "it ok let the rich get richer there isa trickle down effect" well no in fact it has been shown with FACTS that there is a trickle up effect fro poor to rich

my guess is right now it ore lik a river  :mad: 


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1238094 - 01/21/03 10:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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In 1970 10% of the world's wealth was "currency speculation"
Now it 97.5% of the world wealth ,


Those numbers seem very exuberant, where did you get them?
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and yes the poor are getting poorer try reading once in a while


Well since we may not have come across the same reading material that you have, would you provide us with links to the material you have found?


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1238126 - 01/21/03 11:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>>try reading once in a while <<



In case nobody's told you the real trick is in determining the validity of the information.

You can read Utne Reader all day long, and you won't be a "well informed individual".

Is Utne Reader even being published any more?


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238138 - 01/21/03 11:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"how do we create more rich people?"

Well we just need to create less obscenely rich people.

I read a quoite from Bucky Fuller once that really stuck with me, not sure if it holds true today but id be surprised if it didnt. Basically, the jist was that if we took all the money in the world and divided it by the global population every single person would be a millionaire.

When professional sports players earn more in a year than the GDP of a couple of 3rd world countries then something is truly fucked up.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1238157 - 01/22/03 12:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe, but if every person were a millionaire, how much would a pack of hotdogs cost?


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1238168 - 01/22/03 01:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

****Well we just need to create less obscenely rich people.****

Yeah, that'll solve the poor's problems. That's the problem with your kind of people, you don't recognize the potential of the individual rather the limits that society presents us all. You're very sad.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1238207 - 01/22/03 02:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

" That's the problem with your kind of people"

What intelligent, good looking and charming?  :smirk:

"you don't recognize the potential of the individual rather the limits that society presents us all. "

And how have you fathomed out this little gem? Do you really think a pro footballer deserves to earn more money than a small african country?

"You're very sad. "

Only for you inny, I weep tears of sorrow everyday for souless egos like yourself. 


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238208 - 01/22/03 02:06 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know how much they cost now so I wouldnt like to say!!


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1238247 - 01/22/03 02:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

****What intelligent, good looking and charming? *****

my god are you un-funny....

****And how have you fathomed out this little gem? Do you really think a pro footballer deserves to earn more money than a small african country? *****

Sure, if people want to pay a person a billion dollars to see him play it's not up tp me to limit that person to their potential. ie: individual rights.

****Only for you inny, I weep tears of sorrow everyday for souless egos like yourself. ****

no need to weep, i'm doing just fine with what i earn and what i do. My ego is just fine as well, i'm kind of proud of my big ego and don't try to shame it into non-existance.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1238329 - 01/22/03 03:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Sure, if people want to pay a person a billion dollars to see him play it's not up tp me to limit that person to their potential. ie: individual rights.




Fine invertebtate, the only problem here is that it limits other peoples potential. ha! ha! your gonna jump all over that statement arent you! but think about it, what would happen if everyone got paid a similarish wage, obviously there would still be higher earners but even toilet cleaners would get paid a great wage which has got to be good news for you buddy! People hoarding massive amounts of money that they will/could never spend is just stooooopid. Anyway how is somebody fulfilling their potential if they get paid alot of money? A player would fulfill his potential if he scored a record amount of touchdowns or just beat his personal best.

To measure potential in terms of $$$ is just very well, vulgar and American....
(Apologies to all my fellow galactic beings who just happen to be Americans and to whom this particular stereotype does not apply. :grin:)     


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238339 - 01/22/03 03:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"You know, the world isn't like some giant Monopoly game, where there's only so much money to be had."

Actually, yes it is.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1238378 - 01/22/03 04:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

****Fine invertebtate, the only problem here is that it limits other peoples potential. ****

There isn't a sports guy in the world that limits my and others potential.

****your gonna jump all over that statement arent you! ****

no shit..

****but think about it, what would happen if everyone got paid a similarish wage****

costs would go up relativly, and we don't live in a utopian society.

****obviously there would still be higher earners but even toilet cleaners would get paid a great wage which has got to be good news for you buddy! ****

yet again your humor is lost, and your argument is following..

****People hoarding massive amounts of money that they will/could never spend is just stooooopid. ****

only to a socialist...

****Anyway how is somebody fulfilling their potential if they get paid alot of money? ****

if that's their goal then that is their measured potential. MY potential isn't money but that's a benefit for the job i do.

****A player would fulfill his potential if he scored a record amount of touchdowns or just beat his personal best.****

if that's his goal. are you going to now choose what people's potential is to be?

****To measure potential in terms of $$$ is just very well, vulgar and American....****

Thank you, to measure fairness by stealing money from those that earn it is just very well, socialist and governed by jealousy



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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Phluck]
    #1238379 - 01/22/03 04:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

****Actually, yes it is. ****

explain this..


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1238529 - 01/22/03 05:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, if people want to pay a person a billion dollars to see him play

Do they? Really? If the entire NBA got killed tomorrow how long do you think it would take to replace them all with players from the local park and have profits back to normal?


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1238595 - 01/22/03 06:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

****Do they? Really? If the entire NBA got killed tomorrow how long do you think it would take to replace them all with players from the local park and have profits back to normal? ****

about 1 season to replace the players. There are tons of college players waiting for the chance, as for the profits that has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. You're missing the point of people's potential. Either that or you don't recognize it.


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Re: Mommy, where do rich people come from? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1238627 - 01/22/03 06:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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"How do we create more rich people?".



A few things I have learned from self made millionaires...
- Delay gratification.
- Planning.
- Hard work.
- Listen carefully to the naysayers about why something can't be done and all the negative aspects of attempting it. Then go out and do it.
- Failure is when you don't learn from mistakes or misfortune. Mistakes and misfortune WILL occur, failure can be avoided.
- Circumstances don't matter as much as how you react to them.
- Assigning blame accomplishes nothing, taking action to change things is more important.
- Those who believe that to try is futile are always passed up by those who try.
- If you can provide others with something they want or need, you can make money for your effort.
- Don't promise what you can't deliver, deliver what you promise.
- If somebody finds out that you screwed them, they'll never come back and will tell others. Treat them honestly and you'll get repeat business and referrals.
- Problems = opportunity.
- Identifying problems is easy, everybody does it. Providing solutions is what gets you rewarded.
- Don't rest on your laurels, make a commitment to continuous improvement, of yourself, your services and/or products.
- Start at the bottom and work your way up. NOBODY owes you anything for merely being born.
- Wealth CAN BE created. If you believe it can't, don't expect to get wealthy.
- The natural state of man is one of material poverty, don't let that stop you.

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"The rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting poorer." How true is that really? Are the poor really getting poorer?



To be poor is a relative term. If some people are increasing their wealth while others stagnate, those that stagnate will eventually be considered poor if they are not already. The average poor person in the U.S. today has potable water running into their home, a sewage system to take waste away, electricity, natural gas stoves and ovens, telephones, automobiles and is overweight. By the standards of 100 years ago, they are living in luxury.

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You know, the world isn't like some giant Monopoly game, where there's only so much money to be had.



EXACTLY, capitalism IS NOT a zero-sum game. Wealth CAN BE and IS created on a daily basis. Anyone who believes otherwise is trapped by their paradigm.


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