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Re: Method (con)test [Re: teesionbear]
    #12334451 - 04/05/10 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe I'm excited

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: teesionbear]
    #12334506 - 04/05/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ok wait so
is everybody else
getting to vote twice now,
wait wait whats going on
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Re: Method (con)test [Re: getfasterer]
    #12334651 - 04/05/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Only 1 vote per person.  If someone posts multiple guesses, only the first will be accepted.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12334918 - 04/05/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

21 egg


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: OxyProx]
    #12377643 - 04/12/10 11:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Lil update...

Both the cake and the bowl have pinned and appear healthy.  Should have this contest wrapped up in the next few days.  Anyone who hasn't put in their guess yet, now is your chance!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12377742 - 04/12/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thats just vermiculite on the casing and cake? It looks like peat or something too..wierd.

Everyone thinks the bowl wont make it cause everyones against crumbling cakes these days. I've seen cake casings do great too, just like cakes.

I say the bowl will get more just to go against everyone :tongue:

edit again: FINE! wet weight :smile:

202 grams.

If I win I dont want the print anyway..I'm sure someone else could use it more.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12377784 - 04/12/10 11:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, hyphaes pinning strategy is a crumbled cake cased (say that 10 times fast) its got great results. but its also 50/50

I say bowl 71 grams wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iamu]
    #12377876 - 04/12/10 12:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Scat, guesses are for wet weight.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12378035 - 04/12/10 12:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

155 grams wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: botanisthype]
    #12379626 - 04/12/10 04:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Uhh, hold on here...  Is that a clone you are testing with?  It's not going to mean anything if it isn't a clone...


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12379670 - 04/12/10 05:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not 100% sure what a clone is (I'm still rather new), but as I said, these two cakes were made by g2g from the same cake (ie, I took 8 tiny pieces of myc from 1 cake, and implanted them into 2 new jars).  I know a clone is when you take tissue from a fruit and make myc out of that... But is g2g also considered cloning?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12379696 - 04/12/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Cake with 55g fresh :mushroom2:

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12379740 - 04/12/10 05:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

iFung said:
I'm not 100% sure what a clone is (I'm still rather new), but as I said, these two cakes were made by g2g from the same cake (ie, I took 8 tiny pieces of myc from 1 cake, and implanted them into 2 new jars).  I know a clone is when you take tissue from a fruit and make myc out of that... But is g2g also considered cloning?




No.  It could have identical genes from constant transfers but it also could not.  It's ultimately coming from a multi-genetic source and you wouldn't know it's a clone unless you took the mycelium directly from a mushroom itself.  In order to test for yields or anything like that you absolutely must use a clone, otherwise you have one wildly uncontrolled variable that is going to produce different results regardless of any other factors.  But you're going to get shrooms anyways, so perhaps you could take a clone from one of them and then test?  For cloning I, as always, strongly recommend the biopsy-to-LC tek, it is very effective.  Good luck.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12382949 - 04/13/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You dont need a clone. Of course there could be differences and hes right, its a huge variable. As long as your aware of that though and dont take the results as solid proof either way. I think its just a simple test, and a G2G actually performs quite similar to each other usually. You can still get differences but I almost always do my batches with G2G's and they all look quite similar, between all 20 some may differ in pinset or look or size or whatever but they stay pretty close.

I do think the weight will be close in each, just a few more grams from the casing.

I've never done a PF cake in my life though :shrug:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12382993 - 04/13/10 01:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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You dont need a clone. Of course there could be differences and hes right, its a huge variable. As long as your aware of that though and dont take the results as solid proof either way. I think its just a simple test, and a G2G actually performs quite similar to each other usually. You can still get differences but I almost always do my batches with G2G's and they all look quite similar, between all 20 some may differ in pinset or look or size or whatever but they stay pretty close




Okay, if you don't want solid proof then you do not need a clone.  Let's clarify that as your point of view, and not simply "no you dont need a clone".  But why would you want anything other than solid proof?  Is that not the point of an experiment?  That makes it a very bad experiment.  You could experiment on the efficacy of a new fuel additive for fuel efficiency on two different makes of compact cars.  Perhaps they are very similar cars, both being compact cars, but the results of the experiment are still not going to mean anything whatsoever...  So let's put this in to perspective: if you want a proper, scientific (as possible) experiment, you need to use a clone, you need to control that variable.  If you want an unscientifically conducted (and thus completely meaningless) experiment, then you should mycelium from a multispore G2G and get results that mean absolutely nothing.  Doublethink?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12383091 - 04/13/10 01:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Its a newbie. With some cakes. Trying something different from what hes tried before. Not that he wont try any of the three methods again. Maybe all, or more multiple times. Maybe neither ever again. Its one little grow with two little cakes. A little contest for people to guess. Its just a guess. The results are mushrooms for the OP, and someone random gets a print. Overthink?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12383150 - 04/13/10 02:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ive only used cakes so that what im gonna stick with, lol. tho i cant wait to see how it goes either way. and  new variety would be nice for me.

cake/ 43g wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12384277 - 04/13/10 09:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Scat...

Yes, this wasn't originally intended to be a 'scientific experiment' and still isn't, really.  I just did it to try different techniques and learn more than I have been with dunk/roll cakes.  However, upon starting it, I thought it would be fun to run a contest with it since I felt it would be a good battle.

In any event, I did learn a bit during the experience and perhaps in future experiments I will use clones.

That said, can I make a clone by taking live fruit tissue and doing a similar procedure as the g2g (ie just sticking it in a jar)?

Also, Id say there are maybe 2 days left to this contest.  The shrooms be poppin!  Get your votes in!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12384340 - 04/13/10 10:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Clones are a great way to grow, and get similar results every time. It is pretty much that simple..take a piece of mushroom and put it in the jar. However, I think you may have got lucky with G2G on PF Tek..maybe no verm barrier if you stick with PF Tek, and use tyvek instead..then you could do it easier. Or try whole grains. Anyway..rip the mushroom stem in half and get some nice big chunks of tissue from the base and throw it in..should work. I've done it with grains.

You could also put it in a ziplock for a few days to let it recover before putting it in a jar. See:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12032286#12032286


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12384793 - 04/13/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Its a newbie. With some cakes. Trying something different from what hes tried before. Not that he wont try any of the three methods again. Maybe all, or more multiple times. Maybe neither ever again. Its one little grow with two little cakes. A little contest for people to guess. Its just a guess. The results are mushrooms for the OP, and someone random gets a print. Overthink?




In any case I am not trying to insult him or put him (or you) down, and I appreciate the fact that he has an active and contributing member.  I am just trying to point out that experiments must be conducted with clones if you want useful results.  Personally, I conduct a lot of experiments and take their results very seriously and often spread the information here so everyone can optimize their grows, so I think it is necessary to take great care to control the variables.  Regardless, good luck with your experiment, Fung.


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