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Absinth?? aka common tansy?
#1237438 - 01/21/03 03:12 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Has anyone ever used this stuff to make absinth..or is it supposed to be used with wormwood.. I think i can get both, and plan on making a very hi concentration liquer.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Legoulash]
#1239712 - 01/22/03 11:09 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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supposedly you can't make true absinth with jsut wormwood steeped in alcohol. are you planning to actually go through the fermentation process?
I beleive this is require dif you want true absinth...with the thujone in it i mean.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: zandorf]
#1239737 - 01/22/03 11:13 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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No i was planning on just using some rubbing alcohol to make a bunch of strong extract.. then add taht to some bacardi 151.. But i have access to both wormwood and common tansy. Should i try both or just stick with worm wood..
PS: does anyone know the legal status for absinth and/or wormwood and/or common tansy?
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Legoulash]
#1239838 - 01/22/03 11:50 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Absinth has a shady legality... basically prepared absinth containing thujone is illegal to sell for human consumption, that's why it's not imported really.... but i'm sure if you try enough places overseas you'll get one past customs.
The plants themselves are not illegal, and making absinth at home probably would cause a legal debate field day between DA and Lawyers and things because the law is so unclear.
Although you need to fill out papers and a license and things like that to run a distillation apparatus. But who ever does that. And you're just putting it in bacardi 151 right?
I'd suggest though not using rubbing alcohol for the extraction and perhaps pure ethanol/ever clear, incase for whatever reason there is not complete evaporation of the IPA -- this way you prevent poisoning yourself.
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edit: for those of you that read this while it said "the plants themselves are illegal" i had gotten ahead of myself and meant to say "the plants themselves are NOT illegal"
The correction has been made. My apologies.
Edited by neuro (01/22/03 11:55 AM)
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#1239847 - 01/22/03 11:52 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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The plants themselves are illegal
Huh?! Can you provide a ref to this?
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: DazedSol]
#1239850 - 01/22/03 11:54 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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oh fuck did i say that>?
i got ahead of myself i didn't mean that..
lemme find where that is and correct it.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#1239861 - 01/22/03 11:57 AM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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But who ever does that. And you're just putting it in bacardi 151 right?
I'd suggest though not using rubbing alcohol for the extraction and perhaps pure ethanol/ever clear, incase for whatever reason there is not complete evaporation of the IPA -- this way you prevent poisoning yourself.
I think he was being sarcastic when he said that...
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Meph]
#1239872 - 01/22/03 12:01 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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well just incase.. rather be safe than embalmed from the inside out.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#1239876 - 01/22/03 12:02 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Lol....figured it was typo.....made me look twice though
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: DazedSol]
#1239900 - 01/22/03 12:10 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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kinda contradictory ya know, saying the plants are illegal but making stuff with it isn't clear in the law.. doesn't really add up.
Good thing you caught that quickly.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Meph]
#1239913 - 01/22/03 12:15 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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My questions still havnt been totaly answerd.. Is comman tansy used in the making of absinth. I was told it was, but iv learned the word of mouth is just kerfuckled. Plus how much of each (common tansy and wormwood) would i need.
One more question . I make beer would this be good with an absinth extract?
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Legoulash]
#1239967 - 01/22/03 12:33 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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i'm getting the impression no one here knows what common tansy is. heh, i sure don't.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: Legoulash]
#1239974 - 01/22/03 12:35 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hmm dont think tansy has anything interesting in it......not sure exactly what 'common tansy' is though.....tansy(that i know) is Tanacetum vulgare...has no thujone in it..... ive also heard Silverweed (aka: Potentilla anserina) called 'wild tansy' which contains alot of tannin but no thujone....as far as i know only the wormwoods(Artemisia spp.) contain thujone
Although(probably pointless)but tanacetum is in the same family as wormwood; Compositae.........more research is in order
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: DazedSol]
#1240312 - 01/22/03 02:36 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Thujone is the primary constituent of essential oils derived from a variety of plants including wormwood (Artemisia absinthium), mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris), sage (Salvia officinalis), clary (Salvia sclarea), tansy (Tanacetum vulgare), and yellow cedar (cedarleaf oil) (Thuja occidentalis) (Albert-Puleo, 1978).
Dazedsol: the rest isn't for you. As far as i know Wormwood (Artemesia spp., but mostly A. Absinthium) is primarily and probably only used in making absinthe and not any of the other Thujone containing plants.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#1240411 - 01/22/03 03:08 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well i'll be....... i stand corrected....good info neuro.... any idea about thujone levels in any of the other plants? although wormwood is the traditional one used maybe one(some) of the others have higher levels or other actives? dunno, just throwing more ideas around
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: DazedSol]
#1240618 - 01/22/03 04:32 PM (22 years, 30 days ago) |
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>>maybe one(some) of the others have higher levels or other actives? dunno, just throwing more
ideas around
I don't know, i've heard of some shroomerites trying to make absinthe with Salvia Officianallis, but the word around here was that it was a waste of time cause Wormwood contained higher levels.
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Okay I've found some information.
I'm only going to list total thujone concentration and not the individual percentages of either the Alpha or Beta -Thune isomers.
[Name] [Percentage Thujone]
1.) Cedar Leaf - 64.5
2.) Salvia - 42.5 - 55.7
3.) Tansy - 77.4
4.) Wormwood - total not really considered.. A-Thujone: 0.53-1.22, B-Thujone: 17.50-42.30
5.) Thyme - .2
6.) Rosemary - 4.17
(1 - 3 Pinto-Scognamiglio, 1967 - 4 Lawrence, 1995 - 5 - 6 Farag et al., 1986)
So as you can see there is actually more thujone in the other sources, makes me wonder why only thujone is used - i suspect it's probably just tradition.
Edited by neuro (01/22/03 04:46 PM)
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#1242295 - 01/23/03 07:13 AM (22 years, 29 days ago) |
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Hi all.. I made a similar post some time ago, about tujone containing plants, and decided, although nothing was really clear, to grow some salvia officinalis to check their amount of tujone.. the plants are now getting ready, I'll try soaking them in alcohol soon.. I was planning to grow some arthemisia absinthium, but I got ripped off so if anyone has any seeds to trade, I am willing.. thanx.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: psylo33o]
#1242392 - 01/23/03 08:05 AM (22 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: neuro]
#3899581 - 03/10/05 07:05 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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tansy of the european variety (sweden,norway and such) contains upwards of 80% thujone, with camphor as a byproduct. if you used it with wormwood as an addition in the maceration process used for absinthe it would increase the thujone content considerably. Absinthe is legal to produce for personal consumption, it is regulated by the FDA and connot be sold to the public IE any thujone containing products cannot be sold for human consumption.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: sputnik2]
#3899838 - 03/10/05 08:02 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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if im not mistaken, common tansey is very highly toxic and contains other alkaloids than thujone?
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: jben]
#3900046 - 03/10/05 08:54 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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hello well I know that some one has stated that before, there is a difference between european tansy and american tansy especially on the west coast what they call tansy out there is actually related to the Hyssop specie which is were I believe the misinformation has come from. I happen to know that it was used medicinally in the US where i grew up for years. it was brought to my home town by a swedish doctor in the late 1800's and he planted it in his garden, he brought it from sweden. Angus Molberg was his name. here is some info on the true tansy.
Description---The stem is erect and leafy, about 2 to 3 feet high, grooved and angular. The leaves are alternate, much cut into, 2 to 6 inches long and about 4 inches wide. The plant is conspicuous in August and September by its heads of round, flat, dull yellow flowers, growing in clusters, which earn it the name of 'Buttons.' It has a very curious, and not altogether disagreeable odour, somewhat like camphor. It is often naturalized in our gardens for ornamental cultivation. The feathery leaves of the Wild Tansy are beautiful, especially when growing in abundance on marshy ground, and it has a more refreshing scent than the Garden Tansy.
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---Cultivation---Tansy will thrive in almost any soil and may be increased, either in spring or autumn, by slips or by dividing the creeping roots, which if permitted to remain undisturbed, will, in a short time, overspread the ground. When transplanting the slips or portions of root, place therefore at least a foot apart.
The name Tansy is probably derived from the Greek Athanaton (immortal), either, says Dodoens, because it lasts so long in flower or, as Ambrosius thought, because it is capital for preserving dead bodies from corruption. It was said to have been given to Ganymede to make him immortal.
Tansy was one of the Strewing Herbs mentioned by Tusser in 1577, and was one of the native plants dedicated to the Virgin Mary.
Perhaps it found additional favour as a 'Strewing Herb' because it was said to be effectual in keeping flies away, particularly if mixed with elder leaves.
Parkinson grew Tansy amongst other aromatic and culinary herbs in his garden.
It is connected with some interesting old customs observed at Easter time, when even archbishops and bishops played handball with men of their congregation, and a Tansy cake was the reward of the victors. These Tansy cakes were made from the young leaves of the plant, mixed with eggs, and were thought to purify the humours of the body after the limited fare of Lent. In time, this custom obtained a kind of symbolism, and Tansies, as these cakes were called, came to be eaten on Easter Day as a remembrance of the bitter herbs eaten by the Jews at the Passover. Coles (1656) says the origin of eating it in the spring is because Tansy is very wholesome after the salt fish consumed during Lent, and counteracts the ill-effects which the 'moist and cold constitution of winter has made on people . . . though many understand it not, and some simple people take it for a matter of superstition to do so.'
'This balsamic plant,' says Boerhaave (the Danish physician), 'will supply the place of nutmegs and cinnamon,' and the young leaves, shredded, serve as a flavouring for puddings and omelets. Gerard tells us that Tansy Teas were highly esteemed in Lent as well as Tansy puddings.
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---Recipe--- From an old cookery book: -'A Tansy- 'Beat seven eggs, yolks and whites separately; add a pint of cream, near the same of spinach-juice, and a little tansy-juice gained by pounding in a stone mortar; a quarter of a pound of Naples biscuit, sugar to taste, a glass of white wine, and some nutmeg. Set all in a sauce-pan, just to thicken, over the fire; then put it into a dish, lined with paste, to turn out, and bake it.'
Culpepper says: 'Of Tansie. The root eaten, is a singular remedy for the gout: the rich may bestow the cost to preserve it.'
Cows and sheep eat Tansy, but horses, goats and hogs refuse to touch it, and if meat be rubbed with this plant, flies will not attack it. In Sussex, at one time, Tansy leaves had the reputation of curing ague, if placed in the shoes.
The Finlanders employ it in dyeing green.
---Parts Used---The leaves and tops. The plant is cut off close above the root, when first coming into flower in August.
---Constituents---Tanacetin, tannic acid, a volatile oil, mainly thujone, waxy, resinous and protein bodies, some sugar and a colouring matter.
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---Medicinal Action and Uses---Anthelmintic, tonic, stimulant, emmenagogue.
Tansy is largely used for expelling worms in children, the infusion of 1 OZ. to a pint of boiling water being taken in teacupful doses, night and morning, fasting.
It is also valuable in hysteria and in kidney weaknesses, the same infusion being taken in wineglassful doses, repeated frequently. It forms an excellent and safe emmenagogue, and is of good service in low forms of fever, in ague and hysterical and nervous affections. As a diaphoretic nervine it is also useful.
In moderate doses, the plant and its essential oil are stomachic and cordial, being anti-flatulent and serving to allay spasms.
In Scotland, an infusion of the dried flowers and seeds (1/2 to 1 teaspoonful, two or three times a day) is given for gout. The roots when preserved with honey or sugar, have also been reputed to be of special service against gout, if eaten fasting every day for a certain time.
From 1 to 4 drops of the essential oil may be safely given in cases of epilepsy, but excessive doses have produced seizures.
Tansy has been used externally with benefit for some eruptive diseases of the skin, and the green leaves, pounded and applied, will relieve sprains and allay the swelling.
A hot infusion, as a fomentation to sprained and rheumatic parts, will in like manner give relief.
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---Preparations and Dosages---Fluid extract, 1/2 to 2 drachms. Solid extract, 5 to 10 grains.
In the fourteenth century we hear of Tansy being used as a remedy for wounds, and as a bitter tonic, and Tansy Tea has an old reputation in country districts for fever and other illnesses.
Gerard also tells us that cakes were made of the young leaves in the spring, mixed with eggs, 'which be pleasant in taste and good for the stomache; for if bad humours cleave thereunder, it doth perfectly concoct them and carry them off. The roote, preserved in honie, or sugar, is an especiall thing against the gout, if everie day for a certaine space, a reasonable quantitie thereof be eaten fasting. hope this helps.
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: jben]
#3901366 - 03/11/05 06:33 AM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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thujone is not an alkaloid...
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Re: Absinth?? aka common tansy? [Re: gnrm23]
#3905194 - 03/11/05 10:32 PM (19 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am not familiar with Tansy, but, I'm interested in doing some more research. My initial thoughts are that nearly all of these plants have been tested throughout history for use as "tonics," and, the decision to use Wormwood (Artemisia) for Absinthe is probably because of the other constituents found in Tansy, cedar, etc. These other chemicals (like camphor) are either poisonous, or, simply taste like crap, and will render an undrinkable beverage. Wormwood grows very plentifully, also. It appears in enormous stands, grows tall, and is an easy, plentiful resource. The "amount" of Thujone is really academic, since a glass of Absinthe can only contain so much Thujone before it becomes simply unpalatable... which is why the distillate (from whatever source) always has to be watered down. Alcohol will also only hold so much of the essential oil before becoming saturated, and, this is really your limiting factor.
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