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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12366837 - 04/10/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

In Chinese medicine you have meridian system.

Its acupuncture points that connect to the internal organs & consciousness.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: p4kSouL]
    #12366846 - 04/10/10 11:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

How does that relate to the Pranic stream?


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12366876 - 04/10/10 11:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Pranic is also considered "Chi".

Chi and Prana from my understanding are the same thing.


Like negative emotions cause "Pranic" or "Chi" blockages along energy channels. This is why people hold poses its a form of Aravedic healing.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: p4kSouL]
    #12366882 - 04/10/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I can see the use of visualizing these energy streams as far as a metaphor but I am skeptical that this is energy in the physics sense of the term.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12366897 - 04/10/10 11:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah science has a hard time proving this. Im just explaining the theory.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: p4kSouL] * 1
    #12366899 - 04/10/10 11:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:heartpump:

BTW science can't prove anything, it can only disprove


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #12366925 - 04/10/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Haha yeah!:heart: I dunno science is a lot of stuff, I never been good at school.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367214 - 04/10/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I won't argue for stepping stones -- seems to me that everything is a stepping stone.
Merely that no one stone is more important than any other.

Seems to me that this artificial importance leads to attachment which leads to stagnation.
And in this stagnation, the truth is believed to be known -- even while it is moving on.

chicken?

egg???


Maybe...
I guess I see the first yogi as the chicken and yoga as their egg.
I don't think that yoga will turn you into a chicken though :shrug:

To me, yoga is just one of many eggs.
And the first yogi, one of many chickens.

IMO the best thing you can do with an egg, is to eat it.
Eat it and gain nourishment from it.
Other than that, I don't think it's going to get you to the truth. 





did i say that asana is more important than any other "stone" on the proverbial "path"? 

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No, AFAIK all you do is stretch, become more flexible and look cool.  :cool2:




:rolleyes:


OP would you please say in plain english the point your trying to make and give a practical example.  i am too dumb to follow your metaphors.  but i kinda sorta think i know what you're getting at.


Prana flows trough nadi's or channels, in the subtle body, according to Yogic philosophy.  There are the ida (left), pingala (right), and sushumna (central, connects the base chakra to the crown)

can be manipulated to balance, calm, invigorate using pranayama (breath control)


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: yogabunny]
    #12367220 - 04/10/10 12:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I still don't understand if this Pranic energy actually exists or if it's just a convenient visualization metaphor/tool used to produce certain effects on the mind/body.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #12367261 - 04/10/10 12:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug:

from my teacher training manual:

Where does Prana come from??

According to notes from teh Yogis' Parlor:
  • Prana comes about when something (the material world) is manifest from no-thing
  • Prana is the life force that is released when Brahman splits into Shiva and Shakti and this becomes the motivating force to all form
  • Cells expand to absorb prana on the inhalation
  • life force is absorbed for growth and generation
  • air element
  • related to Anahata Chakra



i dunno but i think it's a mystical explanation for what is actually taking place physiologically if when you practice breath control


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    #12367269 - 04/10/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting... this seems to have parallels with the Kundalini serpent and the unification of Shiva with Shakti.  :strokebeard3:


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367271 - 04/10/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

OP would you please say in plain english the point your trying to make and give a practical example.  i am too dumb to follow your metaphors.  but i kinda sorta think i know what you're getting at.

This is as good as I can capture in english:
There is no point. There is no end goal, no aim.
Not to any thing, this includes my language and the yogic forms.
It is a challenge, a critique.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: Kickle]
    #12367275 - 04/10/10 12:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah honestly I couldn't really understand the OP either.  Sorry Kickle.  :lol:


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: Kickle]
    #12367308 - 04/10/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting... this seems to have parallels with the Kundalini serpent and the unification of Shiva with Shakti.  :strokebeard3:





not just parallels, the subtle body and chakra system and energy channels are what Tantra and Kundalini are based on.

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Kickle said:
OP would you please say in plain english the point your trying to make and give a practical example.  i am too dumb to follow your metaphors.  but i kinda sorta think i know what you're getting at.

This is as good as I can capture in english:
There is no point. There is no end goal, no aim.
Not to any thing, this includes my language and the yogic forms.
It is a challenge, a critique.





alllllrighty then.

what i THINK you are trying to say is that the westernization of yoga (here meaning asana practice, the postures) has only served to INcrease the ego "i"ness, which is counterintuitive to the orginal aim of Yoga philosophy.  i do agree that certain styles developed here are not at all in keeping with the actual philosophy behind the practice of Yoga (meaning the way of life/philosophy).


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367314 - 04/10/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No skin off my back...
there is no point.

I do not doubt that there are those who see what is in the first post.
Some have shown this understanding better than I had it myself [markos]
Others absorb it as it fits in their journey [daytripper]

I was really hoping for someone to rebel against it though


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: yogabunny]
    #12367319 - 04/10/10 12:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I have a book on Highest Yoga Tantra from a class on Buddhism I took last semester but I never could quite believe some of the outlandish claims in there.  :shrug2:

Maybe I'm just too skeptical for my own good.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367321 - 04/10/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

What is there to rebel against when All is One?  :tongue2:


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367330 - 04/10/10 12:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

outrageous claims.....such as?


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: yogabunny]
    #12367336 - 04/10/10 12:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

From what I remember the author was talking about the ability to choose which afterlife to go to after one dies, provided of course one has been through the proper meditative training regimen.


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Re: A Critique of Yoga Forms [Re: deCypher]
    #12367351 - 04/10/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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From what I remember the author was talking about the ability to choose which afterlife to go to after one dies, provided of course one has been through the proper meditative training regimen.





yyyeah that sounds more like Tantric Buddhism for sure.

i wonder.

Tantric Yoga is more about THIS existence THIS moment.  this one right now.  finding the love, joy and divinity in every experience whether it be pleasant or unplesant.


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