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I'm going to be moving into a rental home soon, and I wanted to know if anyone who lives in a rental home has had any problems with growing in a rental house. Thanks.
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Re: Rental home [Re: gref]
#12359783 - 04/09/10 02:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sometimes the landlord stops by. Make sure you are ready for that.
You still have the same search/seizure rights as homeowners, but if the landlord breaks in illegally and tells on you, you can't use that to get off.
So its a good idea to change the outside locks first thing and put a lock on your hobby room door.
All the standard rules apply, don't tell anyone you are growing and remember that random burglars are likely to get you busted so tighten the security on windows and doors.
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the real question is what do you plan on growing?
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Alan Rockefeller said: Sometimes the landlord stops by. Make sure you are ready for that.
You still have the same search/seizure rights as homeowners, but if the landlord breaks in illegally and tells on you, you can't use that to get off.
So its a good idea to change the outside locks first thing and put a lock on your hobby room door.
All the standard rules apply, don't tell anyone you are growing and remember that random burglars are likely to get you busted so tighten the security on windows and doors.
Landlords are entitled to a key.
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Yeah the landlord will have a key forsure to the main door, and changing those locks would be suspicious. I think the best idea to to put a lock on my grow room.
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Re: Rental home [Re: gref]
#12361351 - 04/09/10 11:16 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Changing the locks might be suspicious, but at least that way you'll know the first time if the landlord tries to illegally enter your home.
I'd probably tell the landlord that a bitter GF/friend might have pilfered your key or that you lost it or your keys got stolen so you changed the locks. Then give him a set of keys that don't work or working door key, but wrong deadbolt or vice versa.
You can always claim that the set just didn't get cut right or something, it happens all the time.
With any luck you'll live there for many years before the landlord ever has reason to try the keys.
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It depends a lot on the type of person your landlord is. I've seen quite a few different personalities. My sister rented a duplex for years and never saw the landlord. I've had a few places where I've never seen them after the initial meet. I've been in places where property managers run the show and have had them come in to show my place without notice or permission, luckily they were pretty cool and wouldn't care what they found anyway. Really no one could give you a solid answer on this, live there a few months and get a feel for your landlords personality is the best advice. Some of them can be sociopaths that come by every day and break into your place to sniff your girlfriends panties while you're at work.
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Landlords are entitled to a key.
But they aren't allowed to use it without you being around unless there is some kind of emergency. I would rather get a call from my landlord complaining that he couldn't illegally enter rather than have the landlord going through my stuff.
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Yeah the landlord will have a key forsure to the main door, and changing those locks would be suspicious.
You can get a new lock of the same brand and just switch them out, or take the lock out and bring it to a locksmith and have them re-key it, or call a locksmith to come out and re-key it.
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I think the best idea to to put a lock on my grow room.
Either way, your grow room needs a lock.
If the landlord enters illegally and sees something illegal and calls the cops, it doesn't matter that he broke in, you can't suppress the evidence.
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Landlords are entitled to a key.
But they aren't allowed to use it without you being around unless there is some kind of emergency. I would rather get a call from my landlord complaining that he couldn't illegally enter rather than have the landlord going through my stuff.
True, as far as it goes. As a landlord I can only comment on the laws in the state I live. In an emergency, no notice is necessary. For anything else, 24 hours is required.
Here's the catch for tenants though. You're away on vacation for 2 weeks. On day X of your vacation I leave a notice of intent to enter on your door. Day Y of your vacation.... I can go in.
I personally would not. As long as my tenants aren't trashing my place and they are keeping the rent paid.... I'm not interested in what they do. As a bonus for them, I'm pro drug (though they don't know) so I'd never say anything to anybody anyway.
Best advice, never leave your shit around where anyone can see it. This means no bongs on display, no pipes or papers lying around, no ash trays with stems and/or seeds, no mirrors on the coffee table, no razor blades. It's really not even smart to have posters, magazines and such that are pro drug. Empty bags of peat, poo or lime in the garbage should be avoided. Locks on an interior door would be a major red flag to a busy-body landlord. Even as pro drug as I am I'd insist on knowing what was going on if a lock suddenly appeared on an interior door. My rental agreements prohibit ANY and ALL changes to my apartments.
In short..... be smarter and more cautious than you think you need to be. It only takes one wrong person seeing one thing out of place to ruin your day.
I'd grow in a closet with no locks on the door to the room or the closet. Just be sure there's no access panel in the closet to the attic or for plumbing.
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As a landlord I can only comment on the laws in the state I live. In an emergency, no notice is necessary. For anything else, 24 hours is required.
Yea thats how it is most places.
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I'd grow in a closet with no locks on the door to the room or the closet.
The locks give you and your roommates some legal protection in case the cops come in, I think they are a good idea.
Are most landlords really going to break in, then break down the door because a new lock is on there?
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Thanks everybody. Luvdem, some real good insight. The only thing is your talking about apartments, I'm gonna be renting a house. I should have more privacy I presume.
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Re: Rental home [Re: gref]
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Alan Rockefeller said:The locks give you and your roommates some legal protection in case the cops come in, I think they are a good idea.
If the cops are in, they most likely have a warrant. What good will your locks do then?
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Are most landlords really going to break in,
They don't have to break in. They have a key.
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then break down the door because a new lock is on there?
Who said anything about breaking down a door? I said it would attract attention. If I'm in your place and I notice, I'd want to know what was going on. Nothing to notice = no questions.
Some landlords are shitbags. Give them nothing to notice.
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gref said: Thanks everybody. Luvdem, some real good insight. The only thing is your talking about apartments, I'm gonna be renting a house. I should have more privacy I presume.
The same laws apply to rental houses. There is no difference.
In some ways a house would be worse. In an apartment building there is generally a separate entrance to the mechanical (furnace, electric panel, water heater) room. In a house as often as not the basement entrance is in the house. Landlord has to work on the furnace, he has to come in your house.
Your landlord could be someone who respects the laws and your privacy. He may be a nosy busybody. All I'm saying is be careful. Be discrete.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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> Landlord has to work on the furnace, he has to come in your house.
How would he know the furnace needs work unless you complain to him?
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Here's the catch for tenants though. You're away on vacation for 2 weeks. On day X of your vacation I leave a notice of intent to enter on your door. Day Y of your vacation.... I can go in.
And here's how you deal with landlords... The first time I see them after moving in I invite them in for a chat. I show them my shotgun, rifle, hunting knife, machete, bear pepper spray, and the animal mounts/antlers on the walls. I tell them how much I love to hunt and what a good shot I am.
I go on for awhile about hunting, then I tell the landlord off-hand that if he ever needs to enter the place to make sure and notify me. I tell him to make sure and get ahold of me personally rather than just leaving a notice. I tell him that I'd be really freaked out if someone just came into my place and I didn't know about it ahead of time. I tell him that I sometimes have to work very late and will ignore knocks on the door. Make sure he has your cell number too.
I once had a water leak in my apartment and the landlord shut off the main rather than bust in by surprise (I wasn't there). When he did get ahold of me later that day we went in and fixed it.
Just present yourself as a nice guy that's crazy about hunting and you'll probably never have any problems.
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If the cops are in, they most likely have a warrant. What good will your locks do then?
Cops come in all the time without a warrant.
A common example is if there is a burglary in your house, or if your front door blows open for some reason. The cops will come in and make sure the robber is not still inside. Anything they see is fair game to charge you with, even though they have no warrant. A locked interior door will stop them in cases like this because they won't break it down.
Also if there are several people living in the house, if you have everything in a locked room and your roommates / girlfriend don't have the key, then they don't get in trouble for your grow too unless they admit that they knew about it.
Sometimes the cops will show up to arrest someone at your house. This gives them the right to search the room next to the front door. A locked interior door will help keep them honest since they can't claim that your grow was in plain sight due to the broken door.
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Who said anything about breaking down a door? I said it would attract attention. If I'm in your place and I notice, I'd want to know what was going on. Nothing to notice = no questions.
Some landlords are shitbags. Give them nothing to notice.
Would you rather have attention for installing a new lock, or operating a grow room?
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In some ways a house would be worse. In an apartment building there is generally a separate entrance to the mechanical (furnace, electric panel, water heater) room. In a house as often as not the basement entrance is in the house. Landlord has to work on the furnace, he has to come in your house.
Apartments have a whole lot more maintenance men going in and out than houses do.
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Growing in a rental house adds a lot more risks.
The further away your landlord lives the better. The rental house next to mine is owned by people who live 3 states away and they never come around unless they need to re-rent it. Ironically, the last tenants seem to be on the run from the law regarding something, they disappeared overnight and I was questioned by officers, of course I denied any knowledge, I dont get involved in cases I dont know the story of.They abandoned their car and everything. Cops staked out the block for 2 weeks looking for them. I still wonder WTF they did.
Back on topic, if you insist on doing anything illegal or even borderline, always keep things out of plain sight if possible and use locking cabinets if necessary. A modified locking art supply style cabinet can be very useful if used properly. Just use common sense, they have the right to inspect the property but not your personal or locked items. DO NOT install locks on any doors, this will arouse suspicion and possibly get you investigated. Do use locking cabinets. DO NOT change the locks on the front door, it may be illegal in some states and again will arouse suspicion.
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> DO NOT install locks on any doors, this will arouse suspicion and possibly get you investigated.
It's extremely common for roommates, parents, etc. to put locks on interior doors. Do you have household chemicals, guns, etc. that you don't want kids, guests, roommates, etc. getting to? If you do it's common sense to put on a lock. You can get one for less than $10, so you'd be pretty stupid not to put one on your bedroom, closet, etc..
And you can change your front locks as often as you want, you're just supposed to give the LL a key for emergency reasons. It's very common to change locks when you loose a key, take away a GF's key, etc., etc..
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fastfred said: > DO NOT install locks on any doors, this will arouse suspicion and possibly get you investigated.
It's extremely common for roommates, parents, etc. to put locks on interior doors. Do you have household chemicals, guns, etc. that you don't want kids, guests, roommates, etc. getting to? If you do it's common sense to put on a lock. You can get one for less than $10, so you'd be pretty stupid not to put one on your bedroom, closet, etc..
And you can change your front locks as often as you want, you're just supposed to give the LL a key for emergency reasons. It's very common to change locks when you loose a key, take away a GF's key, etc., etc..
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While common it draws unnecessary attention to install locks on interior doors. Cabinets with locks are ignored while locked rooms are given a lot of attention.
Yes you can change your front locks and you have to give the LL a key by law but someone was suggesting changing the locks to prevent a random inspection or entry. Giving the LL a key which is required would defeat the purpose so I said not to change the locks period. If you change the locks and give the LL a key it defeats the purpose of what someone was suggesting. So its pointless.
Also the LL will question why you changed the locks most of the time or find it strange and again this draws unnecessary attention.
The property is considered owned by the LL in all states and all areas must be made available for inspection on request, that is all rooms and living areas and basements and such. However, a cabinet that is locked such as a large art supply cabinet, can not be searched by an LL and police will need a warrant with probable cause to demand it be opened. Legally speaking, a locking cabinet is the safest and is very easy to modify. Where as the LL can demand access to a room that is locked and if denied access can call the police on you or will simply evict you for being non-compliant. Also since it is his property, the LL can simply pry it open or do as he pleases as the door and walls is his property essentially. So relying on a locked internal door will not save you from legal trouble. A locked personal item, will however.
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fastfred said: > Landlord has to work on the furnace, he has to come in your house.
How would he know the furnace needs work unless you complain to him?
My buildings have low temperature alarms that call my cell if the interior temp drops below a set point. Saves a lot of money when and if there is a problem. Or it could be scheduled maintenance or perhaps a part was on order.
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>Here's the catch for tenants though. You're away on vacation for 2 weeks. On day X of your vacation I leave a notice of intent to enter on your door. Day Y of your vacation.... I can go in.
And here's how you deal with landlords... The first time I see them after moving in I invite them in for a chat. I show them my shotgun, rifle, hunting knife, machete, bear pepper spray, and the animal mounts/antlers on the walls. I tell them how much I love to hunt and what a good shot I am.
I go on for awhile about hunting, then I tell the landlord off-hand that if he ever needs to enter the place to make sure and notify me. I tell him to make sure and get ahold of me personally rather than just leaving a notice. I tell him that I'd be really freaked out if someone just came into my place and I didn't know about it ahead of time. I tell him that I sometimes have to work very late and will ignore knocks on the door. Make sure he has your cell number too.
I once had a water leak in my apartment and the landlord shut off the main rather than bust in by surprise (I wasn't there). When he did get ahold of me later that day we went in and fixed it.
Just present yourself as a nice guy that's crazy about hunting and you'll probably never have any problems.
None of the things you listed would in any way stop me from entering your apartment in an emergency. I'd just keep yelling that I was entering your apartment.
And here in the Northeast, main water shutoffs are in the basement. I'd have to enter to shut it off. They're in the basement so you can get to it easily in the winter, which is when you most often seem to need access to the valve.
I'm sure you think your a scary guy with the guns and all.... but I'm neither afraid of nor intimidated by guns and knives. I'd bet I have quite a few more guns and knives than you do. My buildings are my livelihood and I will look out for them. Sometimes that means I will have to enter without the tenant around. Most landlords will.
Keep your shit out of sight.
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If the cops are in, they most likely have a warrant. What good will your locks do then?
Cops come in all the time without a warrant.
A common example is if there is a burglary in your house, or if your front door blows open for some reason. The cops will come in and make sure the robber is not still inside. Anything they see is fair game to charge you with, even though they have no warrant. A locked interior door will stop them in cases like this because they won't break it down.
Also if there are several people living in the house, if you have everything in a locked room and your roommates / girlfriend don't have the key, then they don't get in trouble for your grow too unless they admit that they knew about it.
Sometimes the cops will show up to arrest someone at your house. This gives them the right to search the room next to the front door. A locked interior door will help keep them honest since they can't claim that your grow was in plain sight due to the broken door.
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Who said anything about breaking down a door? I said it would attract attention. If I'm in your place and I notice, I'd want to know what was going on. Nothing to notice = no questions.
Some landlords are shitbags. Give them nothing to notice.
Would you rather have attention for installing a new lock, or operating a grow room?
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In some ways a house would be worse. In an apartment building there is generally a separate entrance to the mechanical (furnace, electric panel, water heater) room. In a house as often as not the basement entrance is in the house. Landlord has to work on the furnace, he has to come in your house.
Apartments have a whole lot more maintenance men going in and out than houses do.
I've been a landlord for quite a few years. Are you one?
I can't think of a single landlord I know that would not pay attention to a new lock on one of their doors. While I respect my tenants privacy, many do not. Grow in a closet, not in a room with a locked door. Or do what you want. I'm giving advice from a landlords perspective because I am one.
Listen, or don't. Either way it won't affect me.
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ForestHermit said: Growing in a rental house adds a lot more risks.
The further away your landlord lives the better. The rental house next to mine is owned by people who live 3 states away and they never come around unless they need to re-rent it. Ironically, the last tenants seem to be on the run from the law regarding something, they disappeared overnight and I was questioned by officers, of course I denied any knowledge, I dont get involved in cases I dont know the story of.They abandoned their car and everything. Cops staked out the block for 2 weeks looking for them. I still wonder WTF they did.
Back on topic, if you insist on doing anything illegal or even borderline, always keep things out of plain sight if possible and use locking cabinets if necessary. A modified locking art supply style cabinet can be very useful if used properly. Just use common sense, they have the right to inspect the property but not your personal or locked items. DO NOT install locks on any doors, this will arouse suspicion and possibly get you investigated. Do use locking cabinets. DO NOT change the locks on the front door, it may be illegal in some states and again will arouse suspicion.
Good to see that someones gets it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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I'm sure you think your a scary guy with the guns and all.... but I'm neither afraid of nor intimidated by guns and knives. I'd bet I have quite a few more guns and knives than you do. My buildings are my livelihood and I will look out for them. Sometimes that means I will have to enter without the tenant around. Most landlords will.
You might want to rethink that. Anyone who invades my home is taking their life in their own hands.
I don't really care what the landlord is hollering, when I recall it to the police it will be something like "He was hollering that the rent was late and he was going to kill me with his knife. I was in fear of my life. Then he busted in and charged right at me. I had to fire in self defense as the man was obviously in an insane rage with the intent to kill."
While I'm renting a place that is my home and I have the right to defend it with deadly force if necessary. If there's a real emergency I'll be on top of it, if I'm not there then I won't be there to shoot anyone anyways. So the only real circumstance anything would happen is if the landlord is breaking and entering into my home for an illegal purpose.
If the law is 24 hours notice then feel free to post it on my door. But if you don't actually notify me (e.g. I don't see it) you better not invade my home. That's just how it is.
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I'm sure you think your a scary guy with the guns and all.... but I'm neither afraid of nor intimidated by guns and knives. I'd bet I have quite a few more guns and knives than you do. My buildings are my livelihood and I will look out for them. Sometimes that means I will have to enter without the tenant around. Most landlords will.
You might want to rethink that. Anyone who invades my home is taking their life in their own hands.
I don't really care what the landlord is hollering, when I recall it to the police it will be something like "He was hollering that the rent was late and he was going to kill me with his knife. I was in fear of my life. Then he busted in and charged right at me. I had to fire in self defense as the man was obviously in an insane rage with the intent to kill."
While I'm renting a place that is my home and I have the right to defend it with deadly force if necessary. If there's a real emergency I'll be on top of it, if I'm not there then I won't be there to shoot anyone anyways. So the only real circumstance anything would happen is if the landlord is breaking and entering into my home for an illegal purpose.
If the law is 24 hours notice then feel free to post it on my door. But if you don't actually notify me (e.g. I don't see it) you better not invade my home. That's just how it is.
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In many states there are no self defense laws. In my state, if you shot someone for entering your house and especially if theyre unarmed, youve just earned yourself a life sentence for murder. No matter what according to law the landlord always has ownership and right over it.
Many things you say are fine to believe in theory if you choose to,but the law wont side with you on it and in the end you'll wish you saw things differently if it really went down at all.
The LL only has to give at least 24 hour notice but they can say that theyll be entering for the entire week if they want and dont have to specify specific times or dates just a vague window of time at best.
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In many states there are no self defense laws. In my state, if you shot someone for entering your house and especially if theyre unarmed, youve just earned yourself a life sentence for murder. No matter what according to law the landlord always has ownership and right over it.
Even in states with no explicit self defense laws, if someone tries to kill you and you kill them instead, I believe that you are in the clear.
If the person is dead, its your word against no one.
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In many states there are no self defense laws. In my state, if you shot someone for entering your house and especially if theyre unarmed, youve just earned yourself a life sentence for murder. No matter what according to law the landlord always has ownership and right over it.
Even in states with no explicit self defense laws, if someone tries to kill you and you kill them instead, I believe that you are in the clear.
If the person is dead, its your word against no one.
I doubt the LL would be trying to kill anyone, FF was talking about just entering without notice.
In my state and in many others, you're not in the clear. In my state, you shoot someone for any reason and they die you sit in jail for murder. There have been numerous cases even where abusive husbands tried to stab their wives with clear intent to kill them and the wife shot their husband and guess what, they sit in jail for murder. Maynt be right but thats the law round these parts. Around here the law doesnt believe there is ever any reason to take another life.
Thats just like someone can punch you in the face for no reason at all, but if you hit him back, you get nailed for assault as well as the other person. They dont tolerate anything here.
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I'm sure you think your a scary guy with the guns and all.... but I'm neither afraid of nor intimidated by guns and knives. I'd bet I have quite a few more guns and knives than you do. My buildings are my livelihood and I will look out for them. Sometimes that means I will have to enter without the tenant around. Most landlords will.
You might want to rethink that. Anyone who invades my home is taking their life in their own hands.
I don't really care what the landlord is hollering, when I recall it to the police it will be something like "He was hollering that the rent was late and he was going to kill me with his knife. I was in fear of my life. Then he busted in and charged right at me. I had to fire in self defense as the man was obviously in an insane rage with the intent to kill."
While I'm renting a place that is my home and I have the right to defend it with deadly force if necessary. If there's a real emergency I'll be on top of it, if I'm not there then I won't be there to shoot anyone anyways. So the only real circumstance anything would happen is if the landlord is breaking and entering into my home for an illegal purpose.
If the law is 24 hours notice then feel free to post it on my door. But if you don't actually notify me (e.g. I don't see it) you better not invade my home. That's just how it is.
-FF

You clearly have no idea how landlord/tenant law works. Being an internet badass seems your strong point.
All I need to do to give 24 hour notice is put a note on your door. That is considered legal service. You don't have to like it but that's the way it is.
But hey, good luck you internet bad boy.
I have an idea. Post a pic of you beating on your chest. Maybe we'll all be impressed!
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