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pantydropper
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Is Lc illegal?
#12358832 - 04/08/10 10:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is spore injected LC illegal? What are the laws??
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Masticore
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Yes, in the USA. It's where I'm from, I don't know the laws elsewhere.
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in canada im pretty sure it is too..the spores arent but the mycelium of cubes is
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in texas, if they found you with lc what would you get charged with?
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Cultivation of a controlled substance. Schedule 1, to be exact. Before you ask, there's a thread on the forums that has the penalties by state. Why do you ask? Have you been caught? Do you plan on it?
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You would get charged with cultivation. spore contain no illegal substance till they sprout more or less then start creating the illegal substances that some of us treasure in our growing.
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pantydropper
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Yes ive been caught, where are these laws at?
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lol thats what the search function is for man
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how much were you caught with?
you could be mega fucked 
but yeah psilocybin is illegal
you were caught manufacturing a schedule 1 controlled substance
were you caught with any growing materials/colonized subs?
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There is a collection of legal info on Erowid here.
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Edited by Masticore (04/08/10 11:09 PM)
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only thing they caught me with is 2 jars 1/4 full with LC, what do you think ill be looking at?
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pantydropper said: Yes ive been caught, where are these laws at?
JUST LOOK UP AT THE TOP OF THE CULTIVATION THREAD THERE ARE PINs IN CERTAIN THREADS THAT STAY AT THE TOP.. ONE IS "STATE LAWS, PENALTIES, AND SENTENCING FOR MUSHROOMS"
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
Reason: Moved to the correct forum.
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Re: Is Lc illegal? [Re: Stampede]
#12359057 - 04/08/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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life without parole
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better hope its your first offense and the judge thinks you have a purty mouth
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only thing they caught me with is 2 jars 1/4 full with LC, what do you think ill be looking at?
It will be interesting to see if the LC tests positive for psilocybin.
There probably is only a tiny bit there so it could go either way.
Plead not guilty and make them prove it.
For a couple jars you are probably looking at 3 years probation.
But its texas so its hard to say. Consult lawyers.
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Plead not guilty for sure. Very doubtful that those jars will test positive.
They might try to get you with attempted manufacture, but without any psilocin they can't really prove what you were growing. They'd either have to grow them out and retest or get them genetically tested. Either way that's more work than they usually are willing to do.
Tell us how it happened for a better explanation. What made them think the jars were illegal?
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Re: Is Lc illegal? [Re: fastfred]
#12367749 - 04/10/10 02:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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In the case of The State of New Mexico vs David Ray Pratt, it was found that psilocybin production by mycelium occurs at the mycelium knot stage of growth.
So if the LC is past that stage, it will test positive for Psilocybin. Based on my knowledge and research of psychoactive substances. The mycelium knot stage is the earliest stage at which psilocybin can be detected, according to studies.
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http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nm&vol=05ca-099&invol=2
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The witness, a forensic scientist with the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension Forensic Science Laboratory, testified that "Mushrooms are fungi, and so they are different from plants [in] that they don't have seeds; they have spores that they start out with. . . . [S]pores are . . . the seeds of the mushroom; they're the reproductive cells." The witness also stated that the four stages that make up the life cycle of the mushroom are the spores, the mycelium, the primordia, and the mature fruit. The witness detailed an experiment she conducted in an attempt to duplicate the process Defendant used to grow psilocybin mushrooms. She prepared a substrate using distilled water, brown rice powder, and vermiculite. She placed this mixture into glass jars and inoculated the substrate with psilocybin mushroom spores she purchased legally from an advertisement in High Times Magazine. The witness stated that the mushroom spores were legal because they did not contain psilocybin. However, she detected psilocybin at the "mycelium knot" stage of mushroom development during her experiment. The witness also stated that the process is labor intensive, and, if not followed carefully, the mushrooms will not grow. Based on this evidence, the State argues that Defendant "manufactured" mushrooms as defined by Section 30-31-20(A)(1) and Section 30-31-2(M).
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LOL, I worked with her boss way back when.
We've argued here about this issue plenty of times. I lost the paper and can't seem to find it again, it was published in some forensic rag.
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Re: Is Lc illegal? [Re: fastfred]
#12368022 - 04/10/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Multiple studies and papers from universities and etc that Ive read over the years, all suggest the same thing , that the earliest detectable Psilocybin occurs at the mycelium knot stage. This person wasnt the only expert to come to this conclusion. Multiple studies and papers show the same phenomenon.
So I have to go with what the studies have shown.
Others may or may not agree. *shrugs*
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> So I have to go with what the studies have shown.
I'm not disagreeing here. I've said the same thing for a long time now.
I've only read one study on the issue, which was done by the lady from the court case you quoted. I worked with her boss, so I don't think he's the type to publish shitty research. So there's no argument from me. Hyphal knot stage is the earliest it's been detected and I've never seen anything to the contrary.
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Re: Is Lc illegal? [Re: fastfred]
#12368218 - 04/10/10 04:05 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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My apologies then, I misunderstood what you were saying in your prior post.
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