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Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net
    #1235424 - 01/21/03 02:42 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)


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{this tek was written by "visions" of mycotopia.net and edited by chronic and hippie.}
One of my best qualities is being able to look at seemingly complex problems and to simplify the understanding of what is going on. My goal when I first started was to simplify everything, and to Keep it Simple Stupid (K.I.S.S.) All I did was try to understand how mushrooms grow outside and what we were doing wrong by trying to control their man-made environment. Trust me when I say I have had many more failures than successes, but without those failures I wouldn't understand what is going on and how simple it really is!


Spawn prep.

The first step toward your very own Vision Laundry basket will be the preparation of your spawn. Once you have chosen a grain to use for spawn, (I use Hard Red Winter Wheat Berries,) put the grains in a large pot and cover completely with water. Next bring temp up to 160*-180*. Once you have reached this temp zone, cover with a lid, turn off heat, and let soak 24hrs. While the grains are soaking cut a 3/4" round hole in the lid of a Qt jar and fill that hole with Pollyfill or cover with other suitable filter material. Fold and compact the Pollyfill, then pull it through the hole. It should be pretty tight and will look like a large ball on each side of the lid. The Pollyfill will act as a filter without which you won't get much growth.

After the grains have soaked for 24hrs, rinse very well, drain well, then fill your Pollyfill filtered quart jars no more than 2/3 with grains. Put lids on with the rubber side down (the way they are meant to be on,) and PC for 75min. Take the jars out as soon as the pressure goes to Zero and tighten the lids. Let them cool completely then inoculate (preferably in a pressure box as mentioned below.)

The next optional step will greatly increase the turnover time of each basket but is optional. You will need to acquire or build a simple pressure box for around $50 that you will use to do grain to grain transfers. Once you have successfully colonized a Qt jar or two, you will use your pressure box to complete Grain to grain transfers thus multiplying your spawn by 10-20X. When I do grain to grain I use about 2tbs to inoculate the new jars and most finish in 5 days. If you do grain to grain transfers you should have your crop between 5 to 7 weeks tops.

Substrate Pasteurization

The next step is the preparation of the substrate that will be spawned with the grains prepared in the previous step. We will be using straw with some added manure in an open aired environment (more air = Less Contams) so pasteurization will be used to knock bacteria and microbe levels down to a suitable level. Pasteurize your straw by submerging it in 160 degree water; Mix in little by little, as you add the hot water, approximately 1/5 cup bleach and 5 large heaping tbs. Hydrated Lime(I use Hoffman's) to approximately 1/5th bale straw(one basket worth). As you add water to your straw the straw will compact so keep adding and pressing down till you used around 1/5th a bale. Make sure all the straw is submerged then cover it and let soak till it reaches room temperature. Once water has cooled to room temp poke holes in your bag or pull your drain plug and allow to drain WELL then spawn.

Spawn Transfer

Now that your spawn is completely colonized and your straw is pasteurized you are ready to begin your basket. The baskets are 1 bushel, 12? tall and approximately 18" in diameter. You can find them at Walmart for $2 each; the size is perfect and easy to work with. Layer the straw and spawn into your basket (with many holes drilled in the bottom to avoid pooling water and add air circulation) so that it is uniform throughout. 3Qt jars of Hard Red Winter Wheat Berries is enough spawn per basket. I use 4Qt, not because it is needed, but because I like to use a lot of spawn. When I use Millet however, 3Qt jars are plenty. Millet breaks up finely and gives great coverage. You may also layer in some pasteurized manure at this point, (I use "Brooks" sold at "Frank's" nursery) which will help hold in some moisture but this is optional. Once your basket is nearly full it must be cased on top. Your casing material should also be pasteurized in bleach water (1/4 tsp bleach per Gal. water). Once soaked, squeeze out excess water and put 1 1/2"-2" casing on top of the basket of straw and spawn layers.

Basket Maintenance

Now that your straw has been spawned and cased it is time for colonization and fruiting. Remember, nature is not perfect so we need not be perfect either, but your basket will need some nurturing. First off remember that more air = less contams so do not cover your basket during colonization; the stale air will only give mold and bacteria a chance to thrive. If your room is dry (very low humidity like mine is) mist heavy a couple times a day if you can. Remember that the mycelia likes it moist not wet. Wet will slow it down. Straw holds a lot of water. You could mist up to a Qt of water over the course of a day per basket. Try not to let the casing dry out, especially when you see the mycelia poking through the casing which should happen about two weeks after spawning. When you see the mycelium poking through the casing that's when you can lightly cover the basket in a clear plastic bag, leaving room on the sides of the basket(in other words don't close it up tight). Fresh Air is the Key!

Once it starts pinning you can water the hell out of it(one big watering.) Excess water will drain out all the holes you will drill in the bottom of the baskets. I keep my temp in my grow room between 72*-76*, everything dries out less, less stress on the mycelium, and they prefer to fruit at these same temperatures. If you water it properly, you will get everything in one flush

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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1235571 - 01/21/03 04:02 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Quite a tek. Good Job.


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1235647 - 01/21/03 04:39 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

WoW!  Nice crop there! I like how your tek fruits on all the available surface area, instead of just the top casing layer. Basically a big cake, but it is big enough that it
retains a lot of moisture. Only prob I see is that it could contam on the sides fairly
easy, thus reducing the number of flushes that you might get. But you got a thumbs up here! :grin: 


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Charlie_Bucket]
    #1235657 - 01/21/03 04:42 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Just realised that thats not your tek. Oops o well. Looks cool any hoo! :confused: 


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1235802 - 01/21/03 05:24 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

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    #1235808 - 01/21/03 05:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Alien]
    #1236412 - 01/21/03 09:48 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

mycotopia's own "visions" did the hard part, and our friend "chronic", of the chronic quart jar tek fame, did the write up, i just played a marginal support role along the way.

the problem of contams, on the sides for example, as mentioned, is addressed in three ways.
first, the lb is kept open to fresh air most of the time,
which helps alot.
also, a small amount of bleach is added to the misting water, as per my bleach tek , to kill any mold spores that might land on it.
last, the casing is watered from above, the sides are allowed to dry out a bit which makes it much harder for contams to get a foothold.
as for multiple flushes, those are fairly rare on straw beds, at least in my experience. much of the yield comes all at once during 1st flush.
my own first lb was made with white popcorn,
the 2nd is rye,
both sa strain from ralphster [love that guy and that strain].
i used 4 qts of popcorn in one,
3 qts of rye in the other,
i left out the dung and went all straw & grain
just to keep it simple.
still colonizing right now but i'll post more pix
as they progress along.
several other mycotopiates are busy replicating
visions' methods so there will be more reports
in the near future.

anyway, hope it helps someone somewhere sometime.


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1236438 - 01/21/03 09:52 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent.  Aesthetically pleasing :smile: 


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1236595 - 01/21/03 10:23 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

here's some more eye candy from this tek.

Hawaiian 1st Flush one cluster, photo by 'visions'
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Re: Visions’ (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1236600 - 01/21/03 10:26 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

DAMN, GOOD GOD!!!! :ooo: 


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    #1236613 - 01/21/03 10:30 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1236619 - 01/21/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe...Nice!!! God bless you Hippie3


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Voodoo]
    #1238165 - 01/21/03 11:02 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

anyone can do it,
this is about as simple as bulk gets.
and cheap.give it a try someday,
and you'll never look back with regret.


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Re: Visions’ (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1250966 - 01/26/03 05:12 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

I was just thinking....

If you put a 2 liter pop bottle in the middle while colonizing and then took it out an filled in the space left with sterilized moistened vermiculite like a big reservoir cake would this increase the yield or allow for multiple flushes?


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    #1251199 - 01/26/03 06:51 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: X.O]
    #1251572 - 01/26/03 09:32 PM (20 years, 10 months ago)

hey hippie,

nice grow man! what was the total net dry yield from this basket of yours??
... and is that casing layer on the sides too? or is it uncolonized straw?

if it's uncolonized straw I didn't think you could start to pin anything until it's 100% colonized!!

If it's a casing layer how'd you get it to stay like that without falling out the side holes?

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    #1254515 - 01/28/03 05:41 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: X.O]
    #1254543 - 01/28/03 05:50 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like it's in a plastic bag to me, wouldn't that afford some protection?


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: X.O]
    #1255123 - 01/28/03 08:45 AM (20 years, 10 months ago)

What vatoloco said....


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Re: Visions’ (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1535174 - 05/09/03 03:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I just wanted to bump this to see if Hippie3's experiments
were fruitful.

anyone else give this a try?



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    #1535206 - 05/09/03 04:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1536355 - 05/10/03 02:25 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

That looks awsome bro!!!

Great job!!!

They are so beautiful.


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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Roadkill]
    #1536481 - 05/10/03 05:02 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I've found Oyster to be a very close analog to cubensis, ant least as far as colonization on grain (or at least popcorn) and fruiting on straw.

I'm going to try fruiting Pl. djamor on cracked corn soon.

Gotta stay in practice :wink:


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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1536491 - 05/10/03 05:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

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goodness! i think that looks like a worthy project - congrats on that, bro  :tongue:

so in hippie's version, the plastic bag was what, a terrarium? but you grew yours outdoors without one. interesting. 


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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: shirley knott]
    #1536511 - 05/10/03 05:45 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I fruited it in a greenhouse, a very humid one.

I also dunked it for about 8 hours before fruiting. Visions baskets seem to take dunking very well.


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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1646312 - 06/19/03 09:34 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

bump.
I am going to try something similar this soon (using 1" chicken wire instead of a basket), so i just wanted to see if anyone else had anything to add.


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Re: Visions&#8217; (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: OBIETRICE]
    #1646366 - 06/19/03 09:57 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Chicken Wire may rust - if that is a concern, try getting some clothesline like you would hang clothes on outside - i believe they have some plastic or plastic coated ones that would work. Although obviously not as effective as chicken wire would be, you would still be able to wrap it around and effectively make a harness-type device out if (assuming that's what you were going to do with the chicken wire)


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Hippie3]
    #1650171 - 06/21/03 01:11 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Nice. Nice work, to Baby Hitler too.


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Re: Visions? (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: frogsheath]
    #1650339 - 06/21/03 04:09 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

If youre worried about rust use POLY NETTING its much like chicken wire only its more flexable, almost as strong, and won't rip your inncubating bag.It also comes in a tube form that would give it the ability to be hung not to mention easy to fill.


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Re: Visions’ (L.B.) Tek from mycotopia.net [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5540259 - 04/21/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

wow,
i didn't see your oysters till just now,
very nice!!


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