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GT - First Grow Journal - 5-16-10 - Fruit-o-rama
#12352367 - 04/07/10 11:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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\Well, first off, hello everyone. I'm Cryptix420, and I'm delighted to be a member of these forums 
I have decided to post up a grow journal here, to share my grow with you all as well as to get a little advice as it is my first attempt. Anyone with knowledge to share is greatly welcome.
Well, here are all the pics I have so far. as of now, I'm in about day 10 of colonization, and about 7 of the jars have started to show healthy growth. The other 5 I'm pretty sure are duds.
The Equipment



Going In for Sterilization


Inoculation


Day 5 - First Signs of Growth

Day 7


Day 9 - 7 Jars showing multiple germination points
Edited by cryptix420 (05/16/10 12:08 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12352396 - 04/07/10 11:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like you've got a good setup goin 
Keep us updated
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: oden42]
#12355533 - 04/08/10 01:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Day 10 of Growth

Also, 2 of the 5 jars I thought were duds have started showing growth!
Got my ultra-sonic humidifier in today as well. I'm open to any ideas as to how to implement it into my fruiting chamber (rubbermaid tub/perlite)
Edited by cryptix420 (04/08/10 01:52 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12355546 - 04/08/10 01:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's lookin great! Looks like you did your homework. I'm anxious to see some fruits! Keep us updated.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12358485 - 04/08/10 09:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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This humidifier is great. I think it's really going to speed things along.

Also, if any of you wanted to know exactly what my incubation setup looks like, here it is. Not much, lol.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12358497 - 04/08/10 09:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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While they are colonizing they don't need any humidify and keep the temps at room temp 70-75F. Take that towel off the jars and put them on a shelf/cupboard somewhere.
The humidifier wont help them colonize faster and the towel on top of them will slow things down they need to breath (GE)
GE= Gas Exchange
Edited by Shea25 (04/08/10 09:59 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12358528 - 04/08/10 10:01 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see. Thanks for the tips.
Without the humidifier my room's RH drops to about 20%...should I still keep it on to keep the whole room more humid?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12358546 - 04/08/10 10:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Right now there's no need to run a humidifier. Once you get your fruiting chamber built and see what the RH is in it then you can decide if you need to run it or not
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12358583 - 04/08/10 10:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was under the impression from what I read that if the RH in the room is too low during incubation then the moisture in the jars will evaporate leaving the cakes dry.
Is this not true?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12358594 - 04/08/10 10:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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No I find it not to be true. I live in a semi desert climate it can get very very dry here and have not have any problems with cakes drying out while colonizing
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12358604 - 04/08/10 10:11 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hm, interesting. Well, thanks for all your help.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12358904 - 04/08/10 11:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just colonized my last 10 BRF cakes in fairly sealed box in a dresser drawer. opened it for a min or two every day but htats it and they all colonized perfectly.
as for implementing the humidifier into your fc, find some rubber tubing that will fit over that nozzle and run it through a hole (sealed around the edges) straight into your FC, right between your cakes if you can...then punch a bunch of holes in the tubing where your cakes will be and it'll get rid of all the Co2 that settles at the bottom as well as give FAE and help with pinning. from my exp anyways.
this is mine its on a reptile humidifier, nowhere near as powerful as yours so its thinner tubing and you prob cant see the holes:
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12379566 - 04/12/10 04:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Day 12
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12384063 - 04/13/10 08:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I have a few questions..
Do places like Lowes/Home Depot usually carry the kind of rubber tubing I would need, or should I just resort to the internet?
When I start the fruiting chamber, do the lids that come with the clear rubbermaid tubs have sufficiently tight lids, or is something like press & seal wrap preferred?
When I dunk & roll, should I refrigerate them during the dunk part? Theres seems to be a lot of confusion on this.
Can I just dunk them individually in the jars that they colonized in, after a good washing?
Is it this excruciating for everyone, waiting for your first colonization to finish?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12384425 - 04/13/10 10:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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cryptix420 said: So I have a few questions..
Do places like Lowes/Home Depot usually carry the kind of rubber tubing I would need, or should I just resort to the internet?
When I start the fruiting chamber, do the lids that come with the clear rubbermaid tubs have sufficiently tight lids, or is something like press & seal wrap preferred?
When I dunk & roll, should I refrigerate them during the dunk part? Theres seems to be a lot of confusion on this.
Can I just dunk them individually in the jars that they colonized in, after a good washing?
Is it this excruciating for everyone, waiting for your first colonization to finish?
The lids that come with the totes are fine
Cubes dont benefit from a cold shock, dont dunk them in the fridge
Don't dunk them in the jars they will expand and are a pain to get out. Dunk them in a pot or a huge bowl and make sure they are weighed down so they stay submerged
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12384481 - 04/13/10 10:42 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I noticed you inverted your jars - is that a necessary step in the colonization process?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Chlawre]
#12384492 - 04/13/10 10:44 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my opinion jars should not be inverted and have no reason to be
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12384518 - 04/13/10 10:49 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm following your Tek this weekend for my first attempt at cultivation and didn't read anything about inverting the jars. It seems like you put a lot of emphasis on gas exchange during colinization and I have to think inverting them would limit that.
'PF Tek Done Right Tek' has been incredibly helpful by the way!
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Chlawre]
#12384532 - 04/13/10 10:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks always happy to help.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12391704 - 04/14/10 12:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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cryptix420 said: So I have a few questions..
Do places like Lowes/Home Depot usually carry the kind of rubber tubing I would need, or should I just resort to the internet?
When I start the fruiting chamber, do the lids that come with the clear rubbermaid tubs have sufficiently tight lids, or is something like press & seal wrap preferred?
When I dunk & roll, should I refrigerate them during the dunk part? Theres seems to be a lot of confusion on this.
Can I just dunk them individually in the jars that they colonized in, after a good washing?
Is it this excruciating for everyone, waiting for your first colonization to finish?
The lids that come with the totes are fine
Cubes dont benefit from a cold shock, dont dunk them in the fridge
Don't dunk them in the jars they will expand and are a pain to get out. Dunk them in a pot or a huge bowl and make sure they are weighed down so they stay submerged
Muchas gracias. I'll just use my pressure cooker to dunk them all in at once, and put the lid on to keep germs out. Would a little Lysol hurt the cakes?
Also...a few of the jars are pretty much done colonizing. Is it true I should wait another week to birth them?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12465612 - 04/27/10 01:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, I have 9 jars that are done colonizing, 2 in PMT's, and 1 that never did anything. One in the PMT looks like it might be a bit waterlogged, probably from the overpowering humidifier. The other one, however, is starting to look like it's morphing into a white cactus. I can only hope this is what is called "pinning" and I will be seeing some fruits soon.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12465627 - 04/27/10 01:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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By PMT do you mean PMP. Remember even with a PMP still fan it 5-6+ times a day. The spiky looking stuff off the cakes could be arial myc. Take a photo if you can
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12465663 - 04/27/10 01:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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PMT, PMP, it's all the same. Mine's kind of a mix between a pod and a terrarium. I have one set up where I have it sealed in a tupperware container and fan several times a day (perlite at the bottom as well) and this is the one that I think might be pinning. The other one is in a big water jug that was cut in half, with the humidifier blowing in the top and passing through and out a slit in the bottom, as to supply constant FAE.
I'm pretty sure it's pinning. Or maybe I just hope, lol. They're tiny little white points everywhere, and some look like they have brown tips.
I'd take a pic, but all I have right now is my camera phone. No bueno.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12467020 - 04/27/10 04:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just looked in on the cakes to fan them..saw a little baby mushroom
Here's a crappy picture I took with my phone. The cakes looks like it's about to burst with a bunch of growth. I'll be sure to post any fruiting porn this weekend with my camera.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: cryptix420]
#12494230 - 05/02/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I've got 7 cakes dunked & rolled in the fruiting chamber, 1 lost to some weird fermentation-smelling contamination during the dunk, and 3 finishing up colonization. I noticed a little yellow on one of the jars today...is this metabolites, or something worse?




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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: cryptix420]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: cryptix420]
#12494477 - 05/02/10 04:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is your humidity in your tub? I just put some cakes in today and cant get it above 75
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: Johnnybones]
#12494668 - 05/02/10 05:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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put a heating pad underneath and a about a half inch of warm water on the bottom...
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: cryptix420]
#12494772 - 05/02/10 05:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Get that tub up off of the floor!
You should keep your grow at least a foot from the floor.
If those cakes smell nasty then you got a little more than metabolites going on. Lets hope not.
Your sg could use some more perlite, and it looks as though it could use a few more holes too.
You should fan that tub several times a day and mist your cakes whenever they show any signs that they are drying.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: george castanza]
#12494805 - 05/02/10 05:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are there holes in the bottom of the FC? From what I understand they are needed to allow for the humidity from the perlite to move around.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: Luv2shrOOm]
#12494931 - 05/02/10 05:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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what will happen if the humidity does stay at 80 throught the cycle?
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12494944 - 05/02/10 06:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The pressure cooker would work perfectly. Especially since it has a tray just the right size to help submerge the cakes. Just put something heavy on top of the tray.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 4/27/10 First Pin! [Re: george castanza]
#12495061 - 05/02/10 06:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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george castanza said: Get that tub up off of the floor!
You should keep your grow at least a foot from the floor.
If those cakes smell nasty then you got a little more than metabolites going on. Lets hope not.
Your sg could use some more perlite, and it looks as though it could use a few more holes too.
You should fan that tub several times a day and mist your cakes whenever they show any signs that they are drying.

Alright, I wasn't sure if it was too close to the floor, but thanks for the feedback
The cakes don't smell bad, just the one did and I threw it away.
I mist & fan about 7-8 times a day and I ran out of perlite :P Gotta go get some more. Stores are all out for some reason...
Thanks again!
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cubester said: Are there holes in the bottom of the FC? From what I understand they are needed to allow for the humidity from the perlite to move around.
Yeah, holes in all 6 sides.
Yeah, holes in all 6 sides.
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It's right at 99%. I also have an Ultrasonic Humidifier in my room, so that may help.
Edited by cryptix420 (05/02/10 06:24 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12502589 - 05/04/10 12:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm extremely excited right now. 
See how many you can find!
#1 #2 #3 #4
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12503699 - 05/04/10 08:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't see much, but don't worry it takes like a week to see real pins, start preparing your drying chamber DampRid (cheap dissecant) can be found at home depot in the paint section, though its meant to hook up to your toilet...go figure
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Mushroomikus]
#12503893 - 05/04/10 09:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That metabolite looking shit was the mycelium fighting with a cobweb mold colony. That's a really interesting picture actually, you can see a clear divide between what cube mycelium and cobweb mycelium look like. One's rhizomorphic and thick and the other is cobwebby and thin.
This one:

Kind of looks like the cubes are winning, hah. But I would chuck that jar if you haven't already.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: libertaire]
#12504580 - 05/04/10 12:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting. Here's a few more pics.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: cryptix420]
#12505095 - 05/04/10 01:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hm, maybe I'm wrong I guess, but that stuff definitely doesn't look right. Does it smell ok? If it smells like dust at all, I would chuck that thing before it starts getting ugly.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-3-10 - Pinning! [Re: cryptix420]
#12515941 - 05/06/10 10:29 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fruit!


And this will soon be a mushroom, no? Hyphal knotting they call it?
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-3-10 - Pinning! [Re: cryptix420]
#12516045 - 05/06/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, those things got healthy as hell!
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-3-10 - Pinning! [Re: libertaire]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-3-10 - Pinning! [Re: cryptix420]
#12522213 - 05/07/10 01:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522255 - 05/07/10 01:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: By PMT do you mean PMP. Remember even with a PMP still fan it 5-6+ times a day. The spiky looking stuff off the cakes could be arial myc. Take a photo if you can
Fanning it defeats the entire purpose of a PMP. With a properly built pmp you dont need to fan.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522263 - 05/07/10 01:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: By PMT do you mean PMP. Remember even with a PMP still fan it 5-6+ times a day. The spiky looking stuff off the cakes could be arial myc. Take a photo if you can
Fanning it defeats the entire purpose of a PMP. With a properly built pmp you dont need to fan.
Nice grow 
That's not true at all. Manually fanning passing air over cakes after misting them aids in the evaporation of water from the cake,which is a major pinning trigger.
Any additional FAE after misting will majorly help pinning performance
I have a proper PMP and still fan with excellent results , fanning ALWAYS helps
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 01:27 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522290 - 05/07/10 01:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
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teknix said:
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Shea25 said: By PMT do you mean PMP. Remember even with a PMP still fan it 5-6+ times a day. The spiky looking stuff off the cakes could be arial myc. Take a photo if you can
Fanning it defeats the entire purpose of a PMP. With a properly built pmp you dont need to fan.
Nice grow 
That's not true at all. Manually fanning passing air over cakes after misting them aids in the evaporation of water from the cake,which is a major pinning trigger.
Any additional FAE after misting will majorly help pinning performance
I have a proper PMP and still fan with excellent results , fanning ALWAYS helps
I still beg to differ, If your getting 7 air exchanges an hour and 100%, the rest is wasted energy.
Hell, you can run the pump like 4 hours a day only and still get compareable results.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522311 - 05/07/10 01:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Air entering the bottom of the chamber and though perlite is alot different then passing over the surface of the cake.
The results are not the same. I have seen different results from not fanning a PMP and fanning a crap load. You can fan 12 times a day and it would not be a "waste"
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522325 - 05/07/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats why you have the holes in the top, to create an air current . . But i don't think I will convince you nor vice versa
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522326 - 05/07/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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When I Fan 10+ times a day with my PMP I often get results like this

Also i do have holes in the top
like I said fanning a PMP always helps
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 01:38 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522356 - 05/07/10 01:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: When I Fan 10 times a day with my PMP I often get results like this

Also i do have holes in the top
like I said fanning a PMP always helps
I've seen results like that from a mono tub! IMO no point in a pumpif your going to fan it, just imo.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522439 - 05/07/10 01:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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certainly fanning couldn't hurt though?
i mean if you have the time, why not do it
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Chlawre]
#12522443 - 05/07/10 01:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Chlawre said: certainly fanning couldn't hurt though?
i mean if you have the time, why not do it
Yep always fan if you can
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522461 - 05/07/10 01:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK DUDE, here is the proof from the designer of the PMP himself, Magash.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1303334
He says "The air pump runs non stop. There are 2 small holes at the top for airflow. No fanning just ad water every every 2 weeks. "
Also when you take off the top, your humidity goes way down and takes time to build back up, hence "wasted energy"
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522477 - 05/07/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Rh goes back up quickly. Look at a Shotgun people fan them 10+ times a day I used to fan mine every 2 hours at times would you call that a waste.
Humidity builds up fast. like I said I have seen results from not fanning my PmP and fanning it.
Also Magash's PMP thread is 7 years old alot has been learned since then
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:03 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522555 - 05/07/10 02:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then your pump is too slow :P
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522563 - 05/07/10 02:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nope its not that either It's quite the big pump for the size of container I'm using.
Its called fanning helps
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522610 - 05/07/10 02:26 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said: Nope its not that either It's quite the big pump for the size of container I'm using.
Its called fanning helps
Maybe just for pinning, but after that, wasted energy.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522619 - 05/07/10 02:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not if you have cakes pinning at different times Also keeps contams down and helps evaporate water after you mist since lots of standing water on mushrooms is not a good thing
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522631 - 05/07/10 02:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol, you dont need to mist if its truly 100% humidity.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522636 - 05/07/10 02:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your actually keeping all your mushrooms in pristine condition, extremely clean,if you dont do that crap. Makes it much easier to get pristine prints.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522639 - 05/07/10 02:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Misting is very important and should not be ignored just becuase its in 99% humidity. Misting replaced the water lost from fanning and natural evaporation.
I have never had a problem with taking sterile prints
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:33 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522647 - 05/07/10 02:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no where for the water to evaporate too if you polyfill your holes. It just drips back down like rain.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522654 - 05/07/10 02:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: There is no where for the water to evaporate too if you polyfill your holes. It just drips back down like rain.
Then you would have water logged cakes which is a very bad thing. Also there is no need for poly fill on a PMP and water evaporating can still make its way though poly fill or any other small cracks.
You want water to evaporate and then replace it with misting. If you notice your cakes are very water logged after a few hours then your FAE need to be upped
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:37 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522666 - 05/07/10 02:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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EVERYONE JUST STOP FIGHTING... Teknix you can argue all you want but there is not one other person on this whole website that is going to side with you. FAN AND MIST! like shea said helps keep off contams and is just the thing to do! DO YOU SEE MUSHROOMS GROWING IN SEALED TUBS WITH HOLES ON TOP OUTSIDE IN THE WILD? NO THEY ALL GET FRESH AIR
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522670 - 05/07/10 02:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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CoreyRubble said: EVERYONE JUST STOP FIGHTING... Teknix you can argue all you want but there is not one other person on this whole website that is going to side with you. FAN AND MIST! like shea said helps keep off contams and is just the thing to do! DO YOU SEE MUSHROOMS GROWING IN SEALED TUBS WITH HOLES ON TOP OUTSIDE IN THE WILD? NO THEY ALL GET FRESH AIR
I dont see people out there fanning and misting either ^^
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522676 - 05/07/10 02:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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In nature they get moisture from the air/rain ect.. and almost always a breeze/ constant FAE lol
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522688 - 05/07/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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HAHAHAHAH that is funny shit just stop talking now while your just a little behind...
It is better to let people think you are stupid then to open your mouth and remove all doubt!
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522689 - 05/07/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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And they get all that with the pmp. No contaminate can get in there, except below the bed of perlite, unless you put it in there.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522699 - 05/07/10 02:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mold spores can find there way into a PMP no problem, but that is not a problem with fully colonized subs and lots of fresh air.
Fanning actually helps keep contams down. Also you will not get the same effect manually fanning as you would with a pump pumping air though water/perlite on the bottom
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:46 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522709 - 05/07/10 02:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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As long as your pmp is on, and there is positive pressure built up, creating an air current blowing out of the tub, some random spore cannot fly into it.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522716 - 05/07/10 02:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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There are already mold spores on your cakes when you set them in the FC at the beginning or when you make your FC or replace the water or from the pump sucking air in from the outside.
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:51 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522717 - 05/07/10 02:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you are pushing shit out shit comes in its not a fucking vacuum sealer
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522718 - 05/07/10 02:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe on yours :P
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522722 - 05/07/10 02:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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CoreyRubble said: if you are pushing shit out shit comes in its not a fucking vacuum sealer
It comes in under the bed of perlite which filters it out, as previously stated.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522723 - 05/07/10 02:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: Maybe on yours :P
Swab your FC then transfer it to agar and you will see
FC's are never sterile nor do they have to be at all
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 02:53 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522725 - 05/07/10 02:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you open your window going 90 down the freeway there is constant air coming in! HOW DOES THE AIR GET OUT?? if it just shot out c02 constantly how would they get oxygen? it has to come in from the outside air. and you are completely arguing against yourself now.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522731 - 05/07/10 02:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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CoreyRubble said: if you open your window going 90 down the freeway there is constant air coming in! HOW DOES THE AIR GET OUT?? if it just shot out c02 constantly how would they get oxygen? it has to come in from the outside air. and you are completely arguing against yourself now.
Just shutup, lol.
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522734 - 05/07/10 02:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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THERE IS ALWAYS MOLD SPORES EVERYWHERE THINKING THEY ARE ALL GOING TO FLY OUT OF YOUR TWO LITTLE HOLES AND NOT STICK TO YOUR CAKES IS JUST BEING IGNORANT
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522740 - 05/07/10 02:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: As long as your pmp is on, and there is positive pressure built up, creating an air current blowing out of the tub, some random spore cannot fly into it.
PMP will not work this way its not a laminar flow hood. Put a petri dish in your FC and see for yourself
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: Shea25]
#12522751 - 05/07/10 02:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shea25 said:
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teknix said: As long as your pmp is on, and there is positive pressure built up, creating an air current blowing out of the tub, some random spore cannot fly into it.
PMP will not work this way its not a laminar flow hood. Put a petri dish in your FC and see for yourself
I dont give up that easy.
Edited by teknix (05/07/10 03:29 PM)
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Re: GT First Grow Journal [Colonized + Pics] and a Few Questions [Re: teknix]
#12522761 - 05/07/10 03:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Air currents in a PMp are very turbulent and not going to help keep mold out. but Like I said that's not a problem since fully colonized subs are contam resistant couple that with lots of fresh air and you should not have any problems
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12522857 - 05/07/10 03:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Theres nothing turbulent about the air exiting the tub. Depending on your pump, the force should be steady. I actually use 2 pumps. And in regards to putting the petri dish inside. There will be way too much water pooling inside of the petri dish to make it a fair experiment. As this is a fruiting chamber, that I feel is grossly underestimated.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
#12522876 - 05/07/10 03:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: Theres nothing turbulent about the air exiting the tub. Depending on your pump, the force should be steady. I actually use 2 pumps. And in regards to putting the petri dish inside. There will be way too much water pooling inside of the petri dish to make it a fair experiment. As this is a fruiting chamber, that I feel is grossly underestimated.
Air entering the chamber though the perlite(that is not always 100% level) and water, around the cakes does not make it a nice steady non turbulent air flow that will cause the impossibility of mold from entering the chamber. If your chamber is getting so wet that water is retaining on the cakes and dripping back on the cakes then you need alot more FAE ALOT ALOT MORE and obviously the pump is not going to do that alone.
Cakes benefit from getting wet and then drying out/evaporating
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 03:32 PM)
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Shea25]
#12522892 - 05/07/10 03:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, the air enters into the water that has a small amount of h202 in it. then it proceeds through the perlight with is floating on top of the water.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
#12522894 - 05/07/10 03:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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teknix said: Actually, the air enters into the water that has a small amount of h202 in it. then it proceeds through the perlight with is floating on top of the water.
Adding h2o2 wont do anything it will quickly revert back into h2o. Also no matter the order of how the air enters the bottom of the PMp is still is not a fool proof way of keeping mold spores out.
Also the perlite should not be "floating" that means you have too much water
Edited by Shea25 (05/07/10 03:34 PM)
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Shea25]
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teknix said: Actually, the air enters into the water that has a small amount of h202 in it. then it proceeds through the perlight with is floating on top of the water.
Adding h2o2 wont do anything it will quickly revert back into h2o. Also no matter the order of how the air enters the bottom of the PMp is still is not a fool proof way of keeping mold spores out.
Also the perlite should not be "floating" that means you have too much water
Well help me figure out an experiment to see if it does.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
#12522926 - 05/07/10 03:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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What do you want an experiment to conclude ??
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Shea25]
#12522931 - 05/07/10 03:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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he is trying to prove to you that his PMP has no mold spores in it and there is no way for them to get in there using his method
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: CoreyRubble]
#12522938 - 05/07/10 03:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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CoreyRubble said: he is trying to prove to you that his PMP has no mold spores in it and there is no way for them to get in there using his method
Well if that's the case then consider it busted already becuase he will for a fact have mold spores in his FC
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Shea25]
#12522979 - 05/07/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh i know this.. i have been reading this thread since you guys started lol it has been amusing to say the least. maybe he can have a flowhood running 24/7 then have his air pump pumping air from the flowy!
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
#12522983 - 05/07/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have you even seen spores land on the tops of your tallest mushrooms before ?? Its quite odd.
It happens do to air currents proving that even in a PMP the pump will not create enough negative force to push spores up and out
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Shea25]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
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thats a nice mushroom lol
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: jokefox]
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That looks nice man, good job! In case you're wondering why there's those "racing stripes" on the stem, as well as why those pins are looking weird, it's a contamination called verticillium. Nothing to worry about, but those things are likely going to start looking pretty strange soon.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: libertaire]
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libertaire said: That looks nice man, good job! In case you're wondering why there's those "racing stripes" on the stem, as well as why those pins are looking weird, it's a contamination called verticillium. Nothing to worry about, but those things are likely going to start looking pretty strange soon.
Thanks 
Do you know any more specific details about the contamination?
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12533131 - 05/09/10 06:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yours is a mild case, but it can get pretty gnarly looking.
"those knarley looking ones (veils peeled down the stem, stripes, funky stems) have "Verticilium" (a harmless bacteria that only affects the mushroom) and is completely fine to eat, just makes 'em look a bit weird"
http://forums.mycotopia.net/contamination-pests-bugs/9655-verticillium.html http://forums.mycotopia.net/glossary.php?s=&do=searchresults&search=vert&searchoptions=1
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-9-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12537907 - 05/10/10 04:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's so exciting when it gets to this part!!




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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-9-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-9-10 - Fruits! [Re: libertaire]
#12538121 - 05/10/10 04:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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those are some beauties!
props on the grow, got some Gt's going myself
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
#12548272 - 05/12/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12548347 - 05/12/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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These things are gonna be pretty gnarly looking. Can't wait to see how they turn out!
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: teknix]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12568110 - 05/15/10 04:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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how long did it take your cakes to pin?
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Johnnybones]
#12572727 - 05/16/10 12:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Johnnybones said: how long did it take your cakes to pin?
About a week.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12572942 - 05/16/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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right on, about the same time it took my GT's
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Johnnybones]
#12573086 - 05/16/10 01:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity; where are my results compared to the average?
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12573229 - 05/16/10 01:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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OH! Looks like one of your mushies is an albino! = )
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Bay_Botanist]
#12573849 - 05/16/10 03:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bay_Botanist said: OH! Looks like one of your mushies is an albino! = )
Lol that's what I thought, but I wasn't really sure. It was weird...it started turning green & blue, then went all white. Mushrooms are so interesting.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12573864 - 05/16/10 03:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Print that albino and see if you get more the next grow
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: VinceC_69]
#12573900 - 05/16/10 03:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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VinceC_69 said: Print that albino and see if you get more the next grow 
I already ate it 
Damn...didn't even think about that. Sucks being a noobie sometimes, lol.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12574066 - 05/16/10 04:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice grow man, enjoyed your log outside of those two having a pissing contest.
I just got done building my PMP today. I noticed you had many holes in yours, did you make some kind of SG/PMP hybrid FC? Looks like you had some good results
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: matter0ni]
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matter0ni said: Nice grow man, enjoyed your log outside of those two having a pissing contest.
I just got done building my PMP today. I noticed you had many holes in yours, did you make some kind of SG/PMP hybrid FC? Looks like you had some good results 
Thanks
Well, at first I had an impromptu PMP set up as to house the cake that colonized way early. After the rest finished, I moved them all into the official SG.
Also, I don't know if it really makes a difference, but every so often I gently squirt a little water onto the tops of the cakes, just enough so there's no pool. I think I read about it somewhere being referred t as a "slow dunk".
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12574251 - 05/16/10 04:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should be misting the cakes 3-4 times a day then fanning after. Fan 5-6+ times a day
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
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beutiful
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: ant61]
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12579653 - 05/17/10 03:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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sick nasty
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12579698 - 05/17/10 03:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, nice grow!  What weight did you get per cake?
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: 8joker]
#12579712 - 05/17/10 03:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looking great man!
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: 8joker]
#12579789 - 05/17/10 03:28 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks It's really great getting feedback, especially when it's positive.
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8joker said: Wow, nice grow!  What weight did you get per cake?
I think it's probably gonna come out to around 7g dry per cake for the first flush. They're all dunking now.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: cryptix420]
#12579968 - 05/17/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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very nice, I barely broke 6g dry on my best yielding cake.
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: Moetsukiru]
#12602633 - 05/21/10 06:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice job man!
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Re: GT - First Grow Journal - 5-7-10 - Fruits! [Re: libertaire]
#12602776 - 05/21/10 07:54 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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6-7g dry on a good cake on a single flush? wow... what's the most anyone's gotten from a single cake after all flushes?
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