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OfflineShRo_0My
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LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read...
    #1234835 - 01/20/03 07:33 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Hi all. Im an OG'er and im having quite a hard time trying to tell them that lsd and mushrooms are not soft drugs. ~shabang~ (webmaster) made a post about DXM, E and OTHER DRUGS, and how they are not allowed to be posted about in overgrow, and that SOFT drugs like LSD and mushrooms are. I find this very degrating, because he is giving false info to minors that look at that site, and it hink he should change his words around. can you all help me out, by posting that they are hard, and shouldent be confused, with anything soft, because they most definetly ARE NOT! im just trying to make a point...thankyou all!

if you think they are SOFT, then cool, give me your reasons...thank you.

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228634&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

my name is MistaSsSmokUPalot

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Offlinejuicemonkey
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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1234981 - 01/20/03 08:38 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

I think it's funny how people try to classify drugs as 'hard' and 'soft'

what makes a drug soft?  or vice versa?  The amount of damage it does on your body? haha.  If so, yes, compared to dxm and E(just an example)...lsd and shrooms are soft drugs :wink:

Drugs are drugs.  There is drugs that are more powerful, drugs that do more damage to your body, etc....but I don't feel that drugs should be classified as 'soft' or 'hard'

But I do feel that lsd and shrooms don't do as much 'damage' to the body(i use that word loosely) as say, dxm or E


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1235013 - 01/20/03 08:53 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

LSD and Shrooms are HARD drugs in the way that they can be Hard to handle, can let you unable to do normal fonctions in case of emergency and could change your life in just one use...hehe...


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
    #1235027 - 01/20/03 08:59 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

That doesn't go for every single time you use them.  At higher doses, yes...you can be in outerspace :wink:

Using the same logic, alchol is a VERY hard drug.  Marijauna can be VERY hard for some people to handle, and it's changed some people's life after one use(rare, but it's happened), so I guess marijuana is a hard drug too

Drugs shouldn't be classified.  Drugs are Drugs.  Some are safer, some are not.


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OfflineShRo_0My
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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1235041 - 01/20/03 09:12 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

yes, i agree with you juice. You should post that on overgrow, and talk some sense into people!! haha, i kinda gave up, dosent mean you guys have too!!!!!

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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1235078 - 01/20/03 09:33 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

LSD is most definately HARD AS FUCK, I do not see how ANYBODY can classify LSD as SOFT... ITS ANYTHING BUT SOFT. Shrooms are different with different doses. LSD is hard as in, you sweat bullets and your jaw reverberates and the millions of thoughts that race through the mind a minute. I see shrooms as a relaxed LSD and there's much more clarity rather than the complete havoc LSD produces to everything besides the thoughts of the mind.

This is hard to explain and I'm tired, if you can't understand what I'm trying to get at tell me and I'll give some examples,
Dilauded


Edited by Dilauded (01/20/03 09:36 PM)


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1235098 - 01/20/03 09:46 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

although americans and canada (i think) dont use this classification, most other countries do. soft drugs tends to mean hash, pot, salvia, mushrooms, peyote, and such. usually natural drugs. hard drugs are anything else. is vague, but then again, the laws in europe regarding drugs generally are. anywho, mushrooms certainly are considered a soft drug, maybe because they are natural. i went to copenhagen, where soft drugs are sold openly in the streets. i asked some random guy if they had acid, and he said hard drugs were not sold openly like soft drugs are


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Dilauded]
    #1235109 - 01/20/03 09:58 PM (14 years, 3 days ago)

"sweat bullets" "jaw reverberates"

Your experience doesn't mean, 'thats the way it is'. I sure as hell don't sweat bullets. My jaw sure as hell doesn't reverberate. I feel very mellow and shit. But yes, millions of thoughts run through my head too.

Why do people insist on classifying drugs as soft or hard? I just don't understand. Is that so you know which one is more dangerous or something? So, mushrooms are considered soft to you? So you feel because it's soft, it's better/safer to do shrooms than say, acid? Think about it. Cause that is totally not true. There is no need to classify drugs as 'hard' or 'soft'. Even if there was justification for doing so, WHY?


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Dilauded]
    #1235256 - 01/21/03 01:46 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

LSD softer than shrooms?!LOL
eat 2-3g of pan cyans and eat 2-3 hits of LSD another day. then tell me which trip was much harder than the other


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1235263 - 01/21/03 02:00 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Interesting question...

On the one hand, I think of LSD as hard because it can really be a mind fuck, but on the other hand, I don't think of it as being as hard as heroin, as it usually won't fuck up your whole life...

However, I have known many long term marijuana users, who's lives were basically fucked because they lacked motivation and clarity of thought for years due to chronic use...

Is alcohol a hard drug because it destroys some people's lives, or is it a soft drug because it is legal, and an important part of our corporate economy?

The bottom line is, I don?t know! I guess any drug is as hard or soft as you make it.

Every person is different, and every person may find a particular drug to be a nice recreation, or a life destroying hell, so it would seem to be highly-subjective, and therefor the whole classification system of "hard" and "soft" would seem to be kinda silly? :crazy:




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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1235334 - 01/21/03 03:51 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

LSD softer than shrooms?!LOL
eat 2-3g of pan cyans and eat 2-3 hits of LSD another day.




not a fair comparison, imho. imho, it's more important to compare the alteration created by each. i have eaten lots of lsd over the last 25+ years and i have never had such an altering experience as i have on a large dose of shrooms. better to compare 10 grams of shrooms to 10 hits of lsd. i would certainly feel much less bamboozled by the 10 hits of lsd.

imho if we have to classify hard vs. soft drugs, i would use toxicity as the primary discerning factor. the more likely it is to kill you in the short term or long term, the "harder" it is.


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Bilge]
    #1235376 - 01/21/03 04:17 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

I think the Dutch government has made the first (official) distinction between soft and hard drugs. Hard drugs are drugs which pose an unacceptable hazard to health.

Soft drugs are drugs which constitute a far less serious hazard(in the opinion of the Dutch government)

They made this distinction because it was thought that it would keep the young people from getting into the crimescene and harddrugs.

LSD is illegal BTW... shrooms aren't....

This is not my opinion.. just some information  :crazy: 


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Bilge]
    #1235392 - 01/21/03 04:29 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Bilge you are right,it was my fault to compare "2-3g copes with 2-3 hits of lsd". but generally i believe shrooms are much harder than lsd:_)


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Hamurabi]
    #1235543 - 01/21/03 05:45 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

The body load is certainly heavier on shrooms than acid. But then, it's all in the mind anyway.

The distinctions between "hard drugs" and "soft drugs" are built upon prejudice.

Leaf


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Papaver]
    #1235552 - 01/21/03 05:50 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

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Every person is different, and every person may find a particular drug to be a nice recreation, or a life destroying hell, so it would seem to be highly-subjective, and therefor the whole classification system of "hard" and "soft" would seem to be kinda silly? :crazy:


 



i agree completely papavar :grin: mabye hard and soft drug use would be more apropriate? 


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: leafblowerz]
    #1235574 - 01/21/03 06:04 AM (14 years, 3 days ago)

Exactly. It's all in your mind. Shrooms are nothing to me. Yeah, they screw me up real good mentally, but there's never a doubt in my mind as to wether or not I can handle it. So, if I had to, I would say it's soft. But then, I would have to say the same about every drug. Classification is stupid. Tell people what the drug does and what it feels like, then let them decide if they can handle it or not. Don't try to classify them. The only kind of classification system I like is the numbers that represent trip levels. Those come in handy for reference. Some trips are a little hard to explain.....


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1235916 - 01/21/03 08:21 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

My definition of "hard" drug as opposed to "soft" drug. A hard drug...
1. Must be addictive and harmful to the body
OR
2. Accidental overdose must be a very real possibility.

By this definition, LSD and Mushrooms are not hard drugs. They are not addictive, reletively harmless, and nearly impossible to OD on. The fact that they can put the user into intense altered states of awareness is not enough alone for me to consider them hard drugs.


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: Papaver]
    #1236057 - 01/21/03 09:51 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

up with papaver :wink:

I agree.  Especially with what you said about marijuana....I know from experience...and I'm slowly pulling myself out of it.


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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: juicemonkey]
    #1236444 - 01/21/03 11:54 AM (14 years, 2 days ago)

I really wish you guys would be debating this on overgrow...that what it was meant for!!!!!      :mad: :ooo:

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Re: LSD and mushrooms....soft drugs?!!!!!!! please read... [Re: ShRo_0My]
    #1236554 - 01/21/03 12:14 PM (14 years, 2 days ago)

LoLz! :grin:

Ok, I am a member, maybe I'll make something about this debate my first post over there... :laugh:


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