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Why is the sky dark at night?
    #1233950 - 01/20/03 12:36 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

ok here's a little thought... the universe is infinite, right? that means an infinite amount of stars and galaxies everywhere, each and every one of which gives some light... if we see the black spaces in between the stars we are actually able to see, we are looking out into a space that has no end, and is filled with luminiscent objects... so why is it that the sky at night is still dark, and not all white because everywhere we look there should be objects that from which light is thrown out in every direction? skeptiks used this thought to try and proove that the universe has actually an end...
but doing some research i found the answer to this paradoxon... and the funny thing is, it was not given by an astrologue or scientist, it was given by the poet edgar allan poe... the galaxies and suns that are between the stars that we are able to see are so far away, that the light they emanate has not reached us yet... so actually this fact is the proof that the universe has not been here all along...
and then my thought is... esoterically speaking the universe is created (big bang or whatever you might call it) and expands and expands until every possibilitie of evolution, growth and learning is exhausted (every beeing is enlightened, thus everything turns to light) and then takes a "sudden" end... the universe (god) now rests for one eternity and starts over again (the neverending spiral)... so if when the universe ends, and everything turns to light maybe that would be the moment in which the light from EVERY sun and galaxie in the whole universe reaches the center of it...
i dunno if you can follow my thoughts or if im expressing them correctly, but i found it interesting that not only theorically or theologically speaking everything turns to good (light) in the end, but also scientifically and astrologically... any thoughts?


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1233983 - 01/20/03 12:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

but i found it interesting that not only theorically or theologically speaking everything turns to good (light) in the end, but also scientifically and astrologically... any thoughts?

Usually I'm an optimist, but I must point this out for the sake of knowledge...

The universe will probably be cold and dark in the end, not light. As it continues to expand the distance between galaxies gets greater and greater. There is only so much free hydrogen in the universe, and eventually stars will use up all the available hydrogen in the universe. Stellar formation and birth will slow down and stop.

Chilling, isn't it  :wink: 


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1233991 - 01/20/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

No comments on your ideas.  I just wanted to say it is nice to see you again! :smile:

I love the name change!!!

I considered having mine altered to Plato but after thinking about it decided that would be too confusing and a little arrogant of me.  Plato may have been wrong about a few things but I am unworthy to tie his sandals.

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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: trendal]
    #1233994 - 01/20/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Chilling, isn't it



damn, sir! did you have to ruin my thought? lol... its a good point you got there... but wouldnt there still be enough galaxies and stars to at least outnumber the black spaces?


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234006 - 01/20/03 12:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

There won't be any more stars  :smirk:

Just cold burned out cores :crazy: 


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: ]
    #1234007 - 01/20/03 12:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

man im glad to be back again... just wait til my laptop is repaired, and you wont get rid of me again  :grin:
and im glad you like the nick change, too... it was time... its a little confusing to see someone whose nickname is Lozt Soul saying the things i say about god and the universe... besides, indigo is my actual nickname where i grew up... and it contains my name... so i couldnt want a better nick...

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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: trendal]
    #1234036 - 01/20/03 01:07 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

The universe will probably be cold and dark in the end, not light. As it continues to expand the distance between galaxies gets greater and greater. There is only so much free hydrogen in the universe, and eventually stars will use up all the available hydrogen in the universe. Stellar formation and birth will slow down and stop.

If the universe is expanding, and accelerating while expanding, well where does this energy come from? If the galaxies are actually accelerating, then there obviously is an increasing force to push them apart, and therefore there cannot be any zero energy state in the universe.


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: trendal]
    #1234040 - 01/20/03 01:07 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

so you really think that starwise what we see is all there is?


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1234067 - 01/20/03 01:16 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i never said there will be a zero energy state in the universe... that, as you said, is impossible... the universe is everchanging, evermoving... what i said was that the universe ends, and implodes... into a ball of pure pulsating energy that is god... no matter whatsoever... only energy


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: chodamunky]
    #1234096 - 01/20/03 01:24 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think the universe is accelerating it's expansion...but anyway expansion is not driven by any forces. The dimensions that make up the universe are unrolling and as they do space expands. The galaxies are not flying away from eachother, the space between them is expanding.


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234112 - 01/20/03 01:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

so you really think that starwise what we see is all there is?

No, I'm sure there are many many more stars than we can see. Many stars we can see have burned out millions or billions of years ago, and many stars that exist now have not existed long enough for their light to reach us yet.

One thing to add to your thought is that stars do not exist forever, so any spot you look out into in space may have had a star there at some time but that star may be long dead or we just can't see it yet.

Also I think the universe isn't infinite in size. I think of it as a closed three dimensional space warped into a four dimensional bubble. This is, I'm sure, completely impossible to visualize (being 3-d beings).


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: trendal]
    #1234127 - 01/20/03 01:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

i know about the stars beeing burned out only that the light of the explosion hasnt reached us yet...

but i think your view of the universe is kind of limited, considering there are 12 dimensions...  :grin: notice this is just my opinion


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234139 - 01/20/03 01:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Yes the other dimensions are curling up as the four we live in unravel  :smirk:

That's why we are not immediately aware of the extra dimensions, they are simply too small to be measured.


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: trendal]
    #1234146 - 01/20/03 01:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

or too complicated to be understood?


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234161 - 01/20/03 01:58 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Indy,

What's a regular member doing in this thread? :confused:

I thought this was "Moderators Only"! :wink: :laugh: :grin:

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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: ]
    #1234164 - 01/20/03 02:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

lol


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234305 - 01/20/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234329 - 01/20/03 03:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Supposidly, the universe is expanding. I would think that, in order for this to be true, it owuld have to be expanding faster than the speed of light. So you see light from one star for a while which goes out over time, and by then, another star's light has finally reached this planet.

I can't really explain it much better than that... maybe the sky will be bright all day and night in another couple of billions of years.


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: In(di)go]
    #1234412 - 01/20/03 04:26 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You overlooked one thing: an infinite universe can't have a centre

Yeah, and I don't know this, but there are probably large rocks out there that don't give out light. Also I don't know this, but light may deteriorate with time/space. I.E.
I think by the time it travels those thousands of light years, it may actually fade into nothingness. I don't know though. And if the universe is infinite, how can it expand? This doesn't make sense. Infinity is obviously the equivalent of "as large as possible" so how can something that is infinite expand? I dont know this makes no sense to me


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Re: Why is the sky dark at night? [Re: 17thPatriarch]
    #1234463 - 01/20/03 04:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

On the contrary, infinity is always expanding, which is why it is infinity. Take the area under a parabola (y=x*x) for example. As X increases, the area increases as well, and thus you have an expanding infinity.


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