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Vendors and Prohibition
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I would like to know which vendors support comprehensive drug law reform and the end of prohibition and which ones support drug law reform for only the substances they consider "mind expanding". You know, which vendors are drug bigots who support the genocide against our people and which ones aren't. It is important for us to know what kind of vendor we are doing business with in this respect.

Leaf

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: leafblowerz]
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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: leafblowerz]
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Your not gonna get any responces to this i dont think. Would be interesting to see tho. Magical Mushrooms and Marijuana should be legal in my opinion(Im not a vendor tho)

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: boxtop703]
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Boxtop

Thank you for responding. You are one of the vendors I had in mind when originating this post due to comments you made in the other forums. For some reason I thought you were a prohib lite. Like I said before, a vendor's politics on this subject matter to me.

How about you, cap (Max)? (Does he still post here?) And you too Ralph and Workman?

Leaf

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: leafblowerz]
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Captain Max no longer posts here.

Interesting concept - I understand why you're asking the vendors (I think), but I think it makes an interesting question for drug users in general (but for the general question, I guess the Politics or Other Drugs forum would make the most sense).


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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: leafblowerz]
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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: em_bre_O]
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I am not a vendor either but, I surely agree with u.But only those 2 drugs.BTW I don't eat mushies or smoke weed anymore and still think it should be that way.


I don't agree at all.
It's not up to the gov't to pick and choose which drugs they feel should be legal and not. In fact, that what they've done right now. There are countless drugs that are EXTREMELY powerful and/or addicting; alcohol, tobacco, codeine derivatives, benzodiazapines, hell, there are a lot of psychedelic botanicals they haven't gotten around to making illegal yet. Why would anyone think they are the ones who should decide what should be legal and what shouldn't? We gave our gov't the power to do that, and what have they done? Made marijuana illegal, a relatively benign drug. Demand for substances will always be there. As long as there is demand, there will ALWAYS, ALWAYS be a supply to meet it. A war against any drug will never change this, only cause more problems, overcrowd the judicial system, waste police resources, comprimise people's liberty, and create one of largest criminal enterprises that exists. All drugs must be legal. Illegalizing any substance does not solve the roots of the problem, and never will.

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: MicronMagick]
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Thanks to the vendors who have responded so far. Truly. No ulterior motives on my part for this thread, valour. It's just like I stated. It matters to me how vendors stand on this issue. I agree that there are more appropriate threads for the overall discussion of prohibition.

It is my opinion that prohibition drug policies as they pertain to ALL drugs cause more harm than good and I'll leave it at that.

So far, The Little Guy (boxtop) is the only comprehensive reformer here and the rest are all prohib lites?

Leaf

Edited by leafblowerz (01/19/03 08:34 AM)

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: boxtop703]
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Boxtop

>"Having stated my position I should also add that doing hard drugs is stupid."

While I appreciate your stand against prohibition, I don't appreciate your demonization of the users of other drugs. How would you classify the users of hard drugs such as alcohol and tobacco?

>"...we should do everything we can to steer kids (and friends and loved ones) clear of that type of abuse."

I agree that education and treatment are effective harm reduction policies.

>"Pro legalization does not mean condonation."

Of course not. Do not let the prohibitionists make you feel defensive about your position. Legalization means control and regulation. By supporting prohibition, society gives up on the control and regulation of these substances and turns those functions over to the black market which is more often then not comprised of criminal predators.

Leaf


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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: MicronMagick]
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MicronMagik

You support the continued prohibition of cocaine, heroin, meth, etc., correct? Did I read you wrong? That would certainly place you in the category of being a prohib lite and in support of the ongoing genocide of sizeable a portion of our population.

What do I do in support of reform? Well, this thread is not about me and I hate to take it down that road for fear of being determined to be off topic by the powers that be and having my thread shut down. I'll state that I am very active in reform and I am a member of LEAP and I'll leave it at that.

http://www.leap.cc/

Again, this thread is an effort to determine which vendors support the (drug) war on our people and which do not. I care about who my hard earned money supports.

Leaf

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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: MicronMagick]
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prohib lite refers to the belief that only some drugs should be legal. it is an opinion between no prohibition and complete prohibition. as we see with alcohol and tobacco, no prohibition does not mean no control. actually the reverse is true: prohibition means no control.

imho, prohib lite is a stance that is illogical, scientifically unsound, and in the end unworkable. it is what we already have today.


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Re: Vendors and Prohibition [Re: MicronMagick]
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Thank you for your clarification, MicronMagick. I'm delighted that we can place you in the same category as boxtop as being against the prohibition of all drugs and in support of the control and regulation of these substances.

Lets make it clear to all reading this thread that we DO NOT support criminal acts performed under the influence of any of these substances including the driving of vehicles or the commission of other crimes. Nor do we support the providing of these substances to children. Legalization means control and regulation. Prohibition is when society gives up and turns over control and regulation to the criminal element that generally doesn't care about the age or mental status of their customers and are often willing to overlook matters concerning the purity and dosage of their product.

Leaf

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Legalize and informize [Re: leafblowerz]
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High,

Here a short message from Holland :laugh: No vendor, but like to add my opinion too.

Decriminilise all drugs. Give them a legal status.
In Holland we have a kind of okee rules. No weed and shrooms below 18 years.
Possibilties to check your xtc, ghb etc for saver use. Quality info and free available at places were possible use may occur.

It is not the use of drugs that kills people, only the mis-use seems to take her victims. However exceptions are always around .

Legalising will paralize a lot of mobster-activity, what will be there next step in mobing.

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Edited by boxtop703 (01/20/03 01:55 PM)

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