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Pharmahuasca
    #12333178 - 04/05/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

SWIM has a bit of a weak stomach and was wondering what the best MAOI would be for least bit of nausea. Was thinking about cappi, how would one ingest it?  make a tea?


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12333222 - 04/05/10 01:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

funny you ask.. I had a similar thread where this was answered.. apparently in my case the yellow caapi vine wasn't my downfall but instead the fact that I used mimosa rootbark had triggered the barking purge. A better recipe for the stomach was found to be psychotria viridis and a smll ammount of syrian rue instead of the mimosa. This was supposed to be a more potent tea recipe as well.

I also found that while looking through prep methods there were many that required lots of pots and pans. I managed to achieve using two pots and just brewing it all at once, so this isnt a MUST (the second pans was just for straining extensively). Safe to say, my brew was extremely potent though, and I was the only one that couldn't hold it down. Evaporation of your final brew creates a more potent tea so one cup will send you to the moon if you do this. this is easily done by just letting the water level drop substantially on simmer for about an hour??? maybe???

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Dutchbrewed]
    #12333279 - 04/05/10 01:15 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I was actually going to injest some freebase dmt not mimosa. So I just injest the dmt and boil some caapi and water for a couple hours?


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12334039 - 04/05/10 08:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

It's not the dmt that makes you trip from what I've read.. The active part of your trip is more-so the caapi. The dmt is like the light switch that helps spur it on. So it seems to me a waste of smokeable dmt.

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Dutchbrewed]
    #12334176 - 04/05/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you should try the DMT jello shots, a tek was just posted around here somewhere.  It removes most, if not all tannins, and from reports there is no naseau at all.  I'll be using this method soon so maybe we can trade experiences.

Happy tripping and good vibes!

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Dutchbrewed] * 1
    #12334284 - 04/05/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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It's not the dmt that makes you trip from what I've read.. The active part of your trip is more-so the caapi. The dmt is like the light switch that helps spur it on. So it seems to me a waste of smokeable dmt.




What?  No.


The MAOI is the 'switch', which allows DMT to become active.  So you definitely want to use your lovely 'smokable' DMT. 

It's easy to make syrian rue extract and cheap to get the seeds, so I'd go with that.  But B. Caapi is basically the same alkaloids, so it's up to you.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Ubitsa]
    #12334801 - 04/05/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I just reread my source, so your exactly right dude... my bad. Alot of recipes hint at the maoi being the main ingredient for the trip though. Then again, my memory fails me all the time.

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Dutchbrewed]
    #12334834 - 04/05/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Try THH instead of caapi maybe?

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: Razzl3Frazzl3]
    #12335851 - 04/05/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Caapi is the teacher plant in traditional shamanism, with the admixture (DMT containing plant) being the light to show the teaching.  The Caapi is the cave you go in to learn, and the DMT is the light to see whats in the cave.  The DMT acts as a carrier wave to allow the spirit of the caapi to fully enter your conciousness and do its work.  It gets your conciousness to the correct sonic resonance whereby the ayahuasca vine can enter your conciousness and get to work.  The Caapi is the "power" or the "strength" and the DMT is the "light".  You can have very intense with strong caapi brews alone.

I would reccomend THH aswell if you are looking for less nausea from what Ive read, but Ive yet to start working with pharma.


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    #12336099 - 04/05/10 02:59 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Edited by FrenchMachine (05/12/10 10:06 PM)

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #12336398 - 04/05/10 03:41 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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For fucks sake people, use your brain when you talk about these things.

IT IS THE DMT THAT CAUSES THE TRIP.

The Rue/Cappi allows the DMT to work.

I really wish people would stop going on about all this nonsense regarding Cappi being the "teacher plant and it guides you" and it is the "power".

It's easy to see why ancient cultures believed that...BUT IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED, SCIENCE HAS NOW PROVEN WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING WITH THESE THINGS.

DMT IS THE "POWER" OR "STRENGTH"...THE RUE/CAPPI IS THE MAOI THAT ALLOWS THE DMT TO BECOME ORALLY ACTIVE.

:picard:

Try this method...it works very well.




'My world view is better than yours, my world view is better, durr'

Anyway... harmine, harmaline, and THH obviously all have distinct psychoactivity, and play important roles in the ayahuasca or pharmahuasca experience, besides just being mao inhibitors.

If you have a weak stomach, OP, it is recommended that you use harmine or THH, separate or in combination, rather than harmaline. Harmaline is known to be more sedating, nauseating, and is generally said to be less pleasant.

Syrian rue contains harmaline and harmine in similar amounts, and if consumed without extracting, contains some chemicals that may be toxic and many that could lead to sickness.

I would recommend choosing caapi vine to accompany your spice. It contains harmine and THH and very low amounts of harmaline.

One can also obtain pure harmala alkaloids from online sources very easily these days, not for human consumption though!

I hope to join you in hyperspace soon. All the pieces are assembled, and it's only building up the courage, now.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #12336535 - 04/05/10 03:56 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

SWIM already has extracted freebase DMT so the jello shots would not

work because they use the original mimosa. I don't see any advantage

in the jello shots why not just STB some freebase DMT and take orally

with an MAOI? My question in how to injest the caapi? Boil with some

water? How long?


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    #12336725 - 04/05/10 04:24 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Edited by FrenchMachine (05/12/10 10:06 PM)

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12336739 - 04/05/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Boil in water for 3 hours, strain and repeat 2 more times.  Then combine the three boils and boil that down to about a cup to a shots worth of liquid and drink.


As far as getting mad at me for speaking in traditional terms about the "light" and the "strength".  It may seem as such when you look at things from a chemical point of view but when you step back for a moment and realize what we are actually speaking of as far as being a teacher plant.  The caapi is believed to be the one doing the teaching.  DMT alone is regarded as useless or peripheral when not imbibed along with Caapi traditionally.  There are many tribes that injest Caapi alone without an admixture.  We are not speaking in terms of which allows us to see wild visions and such, but which is healing and teaching us. 

You must first decide if we are going to speak in terms of chemistry or spirituality.  The views will be quite different as is always the case when using these two different lenses and always has been.  They were refering to the caapi being regarded as the "light", someone disagreed, and I merely clarified.  I even mentioned in the first line that this is from the "tradition shamanism" perspective.


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    #12336910 - 04/05/10 04:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #12337080 - 04/05/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Boil in water for 3 hours, strain and repeat 2 more times



Wow so I am going to be boiling the caapi for a total of 9 hours? I

didn't realize it takes so long? Thats alot of boiling


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12337291 - 04/05/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Simple answer.  Buy some harmala extracts.  They are active at the 200mg dosage.  Then wait thirty minutes and take your DMT freebase.  There's a guy at the auction on the bay who sells syrian rue extract that is unbelievable or you can also buy harmine, THH, or harmaline from another vendor.  Google "buy harmine".  All extracts work fine at 200mg and have zero nausea.

Dose your DMT at 125mg if you want to become God for a few hours and float around in a purple-pink orgasm of galactic bliss.  Fuck, they say this shit is not addictive?  Pharmahuasca is best psychedelic experience around.  The trips go from euphoric ecstasy to mind-shattering truths and you'll just sit there with your mouth wide open, gasping at the knowledge gifted to your brain.  Then it'll take the ideas and concepts it just hurled at you, twist it up into a ball, and hand it to you while saying, "Here is your life.  What are you going to do with it?"  You have your life in your hands and then start hysterically laughing at what just happened.  Eventually it slips through your fingers and the trip will give a moment of clarity right before engaging in another mental orgy.

Oral DMT trips are the best!  Go forth and meet The Other! - It is You!


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #12337434 - 04/05/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well you know Harmine/Harmaline are psychoactive by themselves right?

That means the Caapi vine is actually doing something besides just preventing your stomach from rendering the DMT inactive.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: FrenchMachine]
    #12337729 - 04/05/10 07:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
'My world view is better than yours, my world view is better, durr'





Gimme a break. It's not my world view...it is a fact of how these things work.

It is hilarious how many people buy into the BS of "shamanism".




That's just like, your opinion, man.

Oh, yeah, you just convinced me that the experiences I have had that have led to my particular world view are actually wrong and invalid, and that you are in possession of the 'facts of how these things work.'

Damn, dude, I just got schooled... :rolleyes:

You know you can trip off harmala alks alone, right? You can trip PRETTY FUCKING HARD.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: pornisfun2]
    #12337754 - 04/05/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I looked for auctions on the bay and is this is what I got

Peganum Harmala, Harmaline,Harmine Crystals,Syrian Rue. This is one

extract. Is this what I'm looking for? Also do you know how long the

extract  will last? Thanks alot for the information, SWIM loves to

smoke freebase and can't wait to try pharma!


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12338033 - 04/05/10 08:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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loveshrooms said:
I looked for auctions on the bay and is this is what I got

Peganum Harmala, Harmaline,Harmine Crystals,Syrian Rue.

Is this what I'm looking for? Also do you know how long the extract

will last? Thanks alot for the information, SWIM loves to smoke

freebase and can't wait to try pharma!




The seller Bluejay has a great product.  My oral trips usually last anywhere from four to six hours.  If you are like me, you'll find that oral DMT trips are a much better use of your spice.  At high enough doses you can reach the upper limits of hyperspace and stay there for hours.  What is also nice about the oral trips is that it comes at you in waves.  Often you'll have a moment of clarity and near sobriety, and then BOOM a DMT tidal wave will wash over you and you'll just say, "Oh my fucking God!"


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #12338110 - 04/05/10 08:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yes that seller is what I was looking at. Can you make a recommendation

on whether to buy the "Pure crystals" or the "100milligram capsules"?

"Pure product for herbal incense use then you must purchase thru the

website". Thanks alot.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12338186 - 04/05/10 08:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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loveshrooms said:
Yes that seller is what I was looking at. Can you make a recommendation

on whether to buy the "Pure crystals" or the "100milligram capsules"?

"Pure product for herbal incense use then you must purchase thru the

website". Thanks alot.




It is better to buy the 100mg capsules because they are already weighed out for you.  I buy a few grams at a time and put them in the freezer.

After a few trips with these capsules, make sure to brew up some caapi and try that to compare the experiences.  I think you'll find caapi adds a different kind of magic to the trip, it's warmer and friendlier.  Anyway, the harmala pills are awesome too and you won't get nauseous or anything. 

Write up a trip report and let us know how it goes.


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: joemolloy]
    #12338250 - 04/05/10 08:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Alright will do, weighing is not a problem I have a milligram scale. I

was thinking of buying alot of the harmala extract or pure crystals

if it has a long shelf life. I was thinking storage in glass amber

vials in the freezer? Anyone know how stable the extract is and how

long the extract should last?


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Re: Pharmahuasca [Re: loveshrooms]
    #12338423 - 04/05/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Question for you guys - what is freebase harmine I found? I am not new to dmt experiences, but as far as any sort of cultivation or creation of it, I'm new to the game. Is this ready to consume dmt? Is the freebase form of it a controlled substance? Id like to grab some, but I have a small project goin and don't want to get an illegal drug sent directly to my door : p

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