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FAE problems? (mini-mono)
    #12332578 - 04/04/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

so mr. mini-monos gazillion knots aren't looking as promising as expected :sad:

anyways, the mushrooms are tiny. the ones that actually have a tiny bit of girth to them have the white ring below the cap, which RR has mentioned is an indicator of low FAE? i don't think the problem has to do with a dry sub, considering the sub still feels okay. Im also pretty sure the substrate was fully colonized okay when fruited.

So I'm thinking the problem is either FAE, horrible luck with MS genetics, or early on-set of contamination that came along with the spawn. i spawned with cakes that suspiciously refused to colonize certain areas before they pinned, which leads me to believe there could have been a bacterial contam in the spawn itself maybe.

I'm hoping that the problem is FAE considering they are in a very small area where the air is probably quite stale, I'm always afraid to use fans for some reason so Im thinking about transferring to a bigger room that has the window open a crack. The only problem is that the bigger room will not get the same kind of light as it did before, which was a flourescent bulb in the daylight range.

IF moved to a diff room mini mono would only get the indirect light that comes through the window... but I can't even put it in front of the window so I would have to rely on the natural light that lights the room. Will it not work that way? must the tub be directly in front of the window?


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #12332793 - 04/04/10 11:28 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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i spawned with cakes that suspiciously refused to colonize certain areas before they pinned,



why did you spawn with cakes that already pinned?

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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: bw86]
    #12332816 - 04/04/10 11:34 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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i spawned with cakes that suspiciously refused to colonize certain areas before they pinned,



why did you spawn with cakes that already pinned?




because I wanted to dry doc_t's mini-mono with the shotgun holes. anyways, there were only a few pins I removed and RR said it was okay.

only some of them pinned anyways.


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #12332829 - 04/04/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Sig said:
so mr. mini-monos gazillion knots aren't looking as promising as expected :sad:

anyways, the mushrooms are tiny. the ones that actually have a tiny bit of girth to them have the white ring below the cap, which RR has mentioned is an indicator of low FAE? i don't think the problem has to do with a dry sub, considering the sub still feels okay. Im also pretty sure the substrate was fully colonized okay when fruited.




Your FAE is the problem.  What is the temperature and humidity?  If those are correct, then it is your FC.  You need the right amount of air exchange.  In order to do this, either fan it a couple of times a day or fix your polyfil holes.  I don't know the circumstances, but you need more fresh air in your FC

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So I'm thinking the problem is either FAE, horrible luck with MS genetics, or early on-set of contamination that came along with the spawn. i spawned with cakes that suspiciously refused to colonize certain areas before they pinned, which leads me to believe there could have been a bacterial contam in the spawn itself maybe.




Did the myc still colonize those areas before the substrate pinned?  If not, then I think you are correct on the contamination bit.  If they did, then you are fine.  Did the sub have a smell other than that of fresh mushrooms?  Were, or are, there any weird colors present in the substrate?

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I'm hoping that the problem is FAE considering they are in a very small area where the air is probably quite stale, I'm always afraid to use fans for some reason so Im thinking about transferring to a bigger room that has the window open a crack. The only problem is that the bigger room will not get the same kind of light as it did before, which was a flourescent bulb in the daylight range.




The problem right now is FAE.  Do not be afraid to use fans.  Once the myc has colonized the sub, it is hard for contams to get in.  I wouldn't worry about it.  What you should do is set a fan system up and then mist the sub every one in awhile with an h2o/h2o2 mixture.  It's called "Fresh Air Exchange" for a reason.  You need fresh air.  Set some fans up.  Also, are you using 6500K fluorescent bulbs?  I am assuming you are.  So increase the FAE.

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IF moved to a diff room mini mono would only get the indirect light that comes through the window... but I can't even put it in front of the window so I would have to rely on the natural light that lights the room. Will it not work that way? must the tub be directly in front of the window?




It is best to put a light, with the right range of course, directly over the tub.  The mushrooms will grow towards the window if you do this, and then you would have to rotate the tube every other day if you wanted an even grow.  Just get some fans set up and put a light over the tub.  IMHO man, you are freaking out a little too much.


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Pluth]
    #12332853 - 04/04/10 11:42 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah the mycelium colonized all of the coir. Tub smells like straight up fresh mushrooms.

I'm afraid to use fans because I don't wanna dry out the sub. And its hard for me to figure out if the fan is actually doing anything for the room without having it directly pointed in the tubs direction (which is a no-no)

i've taken it out of the room with the regular light and bad FAE and and am going to pray that the light comes through the window at the right angle. hopefully that doesn't muck things up with the light schedule.

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IMHO man, you are freaking out a little too much.




You wouldn't be saying that if you saw how pathetically small and weak these mushrooms looks. One of them the cap has actually started to lean over and won't even go up. Is this because of light or FAE? its been getting plenty of good light from 65 CFL :shrug: not the whole twelve hours though but I've gotten away with this before without this happening, been getting anywhere from 6-10 hours of light


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #12332870 - 04/04/10 11:45 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

word, a few fresh pins is fine
i thought you meant like a cake that flushed already.

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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #12332955 - 04/05/10 12:03 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah the mycelium colonized all of the coir. Tub smells like straight up fresh mushrooms.

I'm afraid to use fans because I don't wanna dry out the sub. And its hard for me to figure out if the fan is actually doing anything for the room without having it directly pointed in the tubs direction (which is a no-no)

i've taken it out of the room with the regular light and bad FAE and and am going to pray that the light comes through the window at the right angle. hopefully that doesn't muck things up with the light schedule.

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Pluth said:
IMHO man, you are freaking out a little too much.




You wouldn't be saying that if you saw how pathetically small and weak these mushrooms looks. One of them the cap has actually started to lean over and won't even go up. Is this because of light or FAE? its been getting plenty of good light from 65 CFL :shrug: not the whole twelve hours though but I've gotten away with this before without this happening, been getting anywhere from 6-10 hours of light




If you have a fan blowing on the tub, you should be fine.  You don't have to necessarily blow fresh air onto the sub.  If air is moving around in the room, and you have a good FC, then you should be fine.

If you are using the sun, then that is the best light schedule that you can get.  I would just be concerned with all the mushrooms growing in one direction and not filling up the tub if you know what I mean.

Right now, all of your problems are due to poor FAE.  Get some air exchange in there and you should see some improvements.


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Pluth]
    #12333005 - 04/05/10 12:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Right now, all of your problems are due to poor FAE.  Get some air exchange in there and you should see some improvements.




It's not that there is no air exchange in there. It's that the air that is being exchanged through the shotgun holes (1/4" every 2") is most likely stale air.

That's why I'm considering moving to a larger room with a window slightly open (high humidity outside anyways) Although I could always set up a fan in the corner of the room where it's at now though, but for some reason I trust the air coming in from outside a lot more.

should a small crack in the window of a small room make the air non-stale enough in the room for improved growth?


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Pluth]
    #12333015 - 04/05/10 12:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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If you have a fan blowing on the tub, you should be fine.  You don't have to necessarily blow fresh air onto the sub.  If air is moving around in the room, and you have a good FC, then you should be fine.





Do you mean like putting the fan on top of the tub? Or do you mean aiming your fan directly at the tub?

I've heard (and experienced) that aiming a fan directly at a tub will definitely dry things out .


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #12333154 - 04/05/10 12:49 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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If you have a fan blowing on the tub, you should be fine.  You don't have to necessarily blow fresh air onto the sub.  If air is moving around in the room, and you have a good FC, then you should be fine.





Do you mean like putting the fan on top of the tub? Or do you mean aiming your fan directly at the tub?

I've heard (and experienced) that aiming a fan directly at a tub will definitely dry things out .



What I am thinking is that you should, if possible, put the fan about 6-10 feet away from the tub, but have it pointed at the tub.  Put the fan on a medium setting and get a medium sized fan (smaller than a box fan, but bigger than a personal fan).  The sub getting dried out isn't that big of a problem as long as you keep an eye on it.  You can remedy that by just adding water to it. 

The bottom line is this and this is last post I am going to make here, so pay attention: Get some fucking fresh air!


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Sig]
    #24922671 - 01/18/18 09:16 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Fresh mushroom smells great


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Re: FAE problems? (mini-mono) [Re: Spore-hunter]
    #24922680 - 01/18/18 09:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

7 year old necro lol :oldthread:


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