Yes, individuals do in fact have the right to bear arms. And Yes, individuals do in fact NEED this right.
The fact is guns exist. So that means someone is going to own them. If the criminals own guns because of the black market, then law abiding citizens need guns as well for protection. If the government owns all the guns then it will be that much easier for them to control a population that is unarmed.
You can say that I desire to own guns out of fear, and when you do so you seem to be suggesting that my fear is not justified. Let me assure you that my fear is justified. I am afraid of police swat teams that will invade my life and be prepared to shoot me If I do something that the govt. does not agree with. Lets say for example you are a 60 year old man who has paid off his homestead. Now you had to retire and you have a set income. Social security only pays you so much as does your retirement funds. You still have to pay some bills, but the money you make is not enough to cover the property taxes you still owe every year. So the govt. will come to you and say hey, you owe us money we want it. Next thing you know your home has been seized and your bank accounts taken. This was all done by sending a swat team pointing guns at your face searching through your belongings and feeling good about doing so. Why is that wrong? Because the state is experiencing billions of dollars worth of surplus, thats surplus, the cream off the top. Now they dont mention the fact that there is a huge surplus so that no one will be alarmed at the way they tax the hell out of you and then when you can't pay, they take everything you own.
Now that is just one small example, and that is a fact. The IRS has strike teams and agencies to do just that. Oh yea there are provisions in the constitution that say that the govt. should not over tax the people. BUT as we all know the govt does not have to follow the constitution anymore.
I mean this really happens to people. Its a damn shame. And that is just one example. I mean these are not violent criminals out there raping women. And I say that because I have been reading people say that we need more police and everything to deter crime.
You can look at the financial records of states and counties. In the records it is easy to see that there are huge surpluses due to investment, etc. But the govt. tells the people that they need more taxes or there will not be enough funding for schools, while at the same time these city managers, comptrollers, etc. are buying property and stock in companies and living richly.
We need guns to protect our selves against the govt. It is true that Hitler disarmed the country before going crazy. I mean seriously this is not just conspiracy theory and ignorant fear. This is for real. Not to mention all the injustices waged under the "drug war" or "homeland security". I mean you dont stop terrorism by terrorising the people yourself.
It is so amazing that people are willing to give up freedoms and rights that make this country what it is. I mean have you seen the way cops are trained today. The Police are becoming military. Have you not noticed, I mean departments have APC's Armored Personel Carriers. Full Auto MP5's, snipers, chemical weapons, etc etc. the list goes on and on.
Someone a few threads up said that we need harsher punishments for crimes commited with a gun. So severe and harsh that no one would think to do such crimes. To you I must say I feel that your position is very dangerous, and not very thought out.
You do not heal a broken arm with a band aid. The problem is not that someone will commit a robbery with a gun. The real problem is why does that person feel like they need to rob just to stay alive. You should not just say that there needs to be overwhelming sentences thrown at this and that will work. What you will effectively do is create more and more prison institutions which will further cripple communities and lead to more crime. Harsher sentences means more jails and prisons. Which means more people locked into the system. Now while in prison these people need to eat right? So the prison institution says " we will charge you something like 1 dollar a day to pay for food. You will earn this one dollar by doing slave labor. We will allow companies to use you to produce products for the company. You will do this work with no saftey laws, no benefits, basically no pay, nothing." Ok so these companies fucking love and I mean love prisons. Companies in counties across the country are begging for prisons to be built. Think about it, they get cheap as fuck (basically slave labor) with no benefits to pay for and still get the product out the door. Read the 13th amendment again. Congress has effectively written slavery into the constitution. Now these prisons do cost money. Tax dollars to be exact. So hmmmmm how can we convince people that we need so many prisons, where we are building prisons to colleges at something like a ratio of 20 to 1. Ok what we will do is control the media, (because we own the media) to constantly, incessantly spew reports of crime and police battles with criminals and daily reports of the most recent crime. While in fact crime rates have been going down. Not only that we will make so many things not legal, and we will give our police the authority to search and harrass and do anything possible to find something wrong with anyone. "Oh hello officer, oh your just doing a routine traffic check? oh ok, whats that? oh you say you feel like there were some recent robberies in the area and so you want to search my car to see if I had anything to do with it? Oh, why dont I want you to search my car sir? I have a right to do so. Oh wahts that, step out of the car, oh you have probable cause cause I am hindering the police from investigating robberies in the area? Oh you found under my back seat a cooler with knives in it? oh I am in violation of possesing a concealed weapon? Your taking me to jail now?" So what I had some knives to clean fish because I like to fish. And I am not making this up. I mean really it happenes everyday, and slowly but surely the govt. is eroding the constitution and bill of rights. And its because of thinking like what we see in this thread... a militia is not the people, people dont need AR-15's for protection from criminals, you are just wanting guns because of a false fear, we need more cops, when there are more guns there is an increase in the crime rate, etc. etc.
This way of thinking is truly going to make things worse.
So why did I say the real problem is that someone needs to rob to stay alive. Well consider what we are creating. We are taking all of the money out of the education system and putting it into the prison system. Now think about it I mean really. You have schools where there are 50 kids in a classroom, and only 25 books. I mean even 25 kids in a classroom is a problem. You have teachers that dont get paid jack shit, yet are expected to not only go to school all day and teach in decrepit conditions, they are also expected to have teacher parent talks, give special attention to those students that are having a hard time, spend time constantly getting more teacher training, working long long hours, getting paid only for the time in class. And the reason for this? Oh, the govt. and state agencies say well we just dont have enough money in the budget, we are in a deficit, we would have to raise taxes to provide better education. And you dont want us to raise taxes do you? All the while every county accross the state has a surplus of money, there is plenty of money that has been invested into companies. Where does it go? To the city manager who just purchased a $550,000 home in FLorida somewhere. Where does it also go? to the 230 million dollar prison. So you have kids right now that are getting out of high school that can only read at a ninth grade level. Now I ask you how is this mutha fucker going to get a job? And I mean a job that pays well and is not working 12 hours a day.
Listen we have the money. Dont be fooled there is plenty of money to build better schools pay teachers, all that. Its just that no one does it because of the corruption that we the people do not put in check. Its because no one gives a shit. I am talking wide scale, I talk to people even in this forum who are so apathetic its crazy.
So yes because of this we MUST have guns. And not just some handguns, but AR-15 rifles, Much armor, much ammo, night vision, gas masks, high capacity magazines, scopes, the whole nine.
this is a response to the entire thread and not just silversoul7
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