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Method (con)test
    #12323081 - 04/03/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hey guys.

I had two 1/2pt cakes from the same g2g transfer and wanted to test out some new methods.  So far Ive only done cakes then dunk/roll.  With these two I decided to try two slightly different techniques.  One I dunked but skipped the roll and instead just left a good layer of moist verm on the top and in the jar lid underneath.  The other I crumbled (no dunk) into a bowl and surrounded in layers of wet verm.  Here is a pic...



The one I crumbled into the bowl I did a day earlier than the cake due to dunking time and I know the myc would need some time to recover and recolonize a bit... Thus, I have also been keeping the bowl covered with aluminum foil with some holes and will for the next few days till it is really poppin' out.  I expect the cake will probably fruit first... Though, Im wondering which you think will do better?

How about a contest? 

Person who guesses which one will produce more on the first flush and comes closest to guessing its wet weight will get a print of BHT.

Example: "bowl, 100g" (I wish, lol)

I will take pics along the way but only show them when both flush and winners are announced.

This one could take a lil bit, but good luck all.


EDIT  --  CONTEST ENDED
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Ok, results are in!

Bowl - 69.55g wet
Cake - 31.2g wet

In a landslide victory, the bowl takes it with over double the weight.  This bowl was my biggest harvest from a single cake to date and I believe I will use this method from now on.  Even though I don't feel that this is definitively a better method, it seemed to work out well for me.

The winner of the contest with a guess of 71g is Iamu.  PM me with your address and Ill send your print!

Pics to come, probably tomorrow.  Stay tuned!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12323099 - 04/03/10 11:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i think the cake.
and lets say.. 42g.

Good luck man! :laugh:

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12323154 - 04/03/10 11:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

g2g transfer? Maybe I am missing something here. The method you've used for the first cake is called double end. I don't see holes in your FC though. GL :thumbup:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: LeopardMan]
    #12323195 - 04/03/10 12:03 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

IMO crumbling ad casing a cake is pointless.
if you crumbled that cake into some substrate, waited for that to colonize an then cased it then without a doubt 100% it would produce a lot more then a cake.

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: bw86]
    #12324082 - 04/03/10 02:31 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

44g bowl


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: getfasterer]
    #12324240 - 04/03/10 03:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: linkin17222]
    #12324263 - 04/03/10 03:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cake36 bowel 0

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: roaddog]
    #12324269 - 04/03/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

bowl 43g


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: trishraymond]
    #12324925 - 04/03/10 05:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

jar - 560kg   

Bucket - 1100 tons

Good luck :thumbup:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12324992 - 04/03/10 05:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

bowl 0: it contams

cake : 33g (fresh)


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: yogimeetreats]
    #12325047 - 04/03/10 05:48 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Dragonaut]
    #12325150 - 04/03/10 06:07 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cake 78g wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: oden42]
    #12327138 - 04/04/10 01:42 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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g2g transfer? Maybe I am missing something here. The method you've used for the first cake is called double end. I don't see holes in your FC though. GL :thumbup:




There are holes in my FC, though admittedly, not as many as I'd like.  Also, the G2G transfer was the method of inoculation, not the fruiting method (ie a small amount of myc was taken from a fully colonized jar and used to start these two).

Im curious as to why so many think my bowl will not make it?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12327380 - 04/04/10 03:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

bowl - 91grms


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12327437 - 04/04/10 04:24 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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iFung said:
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g2g transfer? Maybe I am missing something here. The method you've used for the first cake is called double end. I don't see holes in your FC though. GL :thumbup:




There are holes in my FC, though admittedly, not as many as I'd like.  Also, the G2G transfer was the method of inoculation, not the fruiting method (ie a small amount of myc was taken from a fully colonized jar and used to start these two).

Im curious as to why so many think my bowl will not make it?




g2g transfer for cakes? How did you go through the verm layer? Anyway I am not saying your cakes won't make it. I am just saying that your fruiting method is not entirely correct. If you put your cake in a closed tub, with no holes, you will probably get some mushrooms. If you put your cake in a SG terrarium fanning 6+ times and misting 3 times a day you will get a much better yield. GL


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: LeopardMan]
    #12328352 - 04/04/10 11:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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g2g transfer for cakes? How did you go through the verm layer? Anyway I am not saying your cakes won't make it. I am just saying that your fruiting method is not entirely correct. If you put your cake in a closed tub, with no holes, you will probably get some mushrooms. If you put your cake in a SG terrarium fanning 6+ times and misting 3 times a day you will get a much better yield. GL




Heh, the g2g transfer with cakes was more or less a shot in the dark "lets see if this will work" thing.  Basically, I had some good jars and some mycelium crumbled off from some cakes I was birthing... So I took a little metal wedge thing, flame sterilized it, opened my jar and slid the wedge down the side of it.  I pried open a little gap between the jar and the verm, then just placed bits of myc in there with some sterile tweezers.  4 to a jar and I had 3 jars to start, 1 got trich within the first week.  These two flourished and here we are.

Also, as I said, my chamber does have holes.  It is a SG chamber, but just doesn't have ALOT of holes... Probably only about 10 per side.  Plus, I do mist and fan quite a lot.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: LeopardMan]
    #12328511 - 04/04/10 11:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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LeopardMan said:
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iFung said:
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g2g transfer? Maybe I am missing something here. The method you've used for the first cake is called double end. I don't see holes in your FC though. GL :thumbup:




There are holes in my FC, though admittedly, not as many as I'd like.  Also, the G2G transfer was the method of inoculation, not the fruiting method (ie a small amount of myc was taken from a fully colonized jar and used to start these two).

Im curious as to why so many think my bowl will not make it?




g2g transfer for cakes? How did you go through the verm layer? Anyway I am not saying your cakes won't make it. I am just saying that your fruiting method is not entirely correct. If you put your cake in a closed tub, with no holes, you will probably get some mushrooms. If you put your cake in a SG terrarium fanning 6+ times and misting 3 times a day you will get a much better yield. GL




I was a bit curious about this myself. (G2G on a cake)

I actually just found a bunch of pins on my first flat-cake (cake casing) last night; and there is already twice as many as of this morning.  I made a casing with cakes because when I made the cakes I used too much water and they were like, mush.  But, because they were going to fully colonize I thought I'd take the three of them and spawn them to some coir; because the coir was too wet I scraped it off after a week, let it colonize some more vermiculite and put it into fruit.  I can already tell my casing is about to explode, and I actually disagree about cakes being cased as pointless; it may not increase your over-all yield but it can surely effect the size of your flushes due to surface area exposure, plus larger fruits if you crumble more then one cake together - a definite advantage, as opposed to fruiting cakes individually you will never get more then what a 1/2 pint is capable of producing.

Well, I really want that print, my buddy and I almost ordered that variety off of Ralphsters yesturday.

Casing (hard to say, but I'll go with 52g wet)
Cake (49g wet)

Thanks for the contest; good luck with your experimenting

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: plurfekt]
    #12334154 - 04/05/10 08:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

BHT is a nice one... Very resistant to contams.  Somewhat mild effect (at least at lower doses) but my experiences have been very positive and happy. :thumbup:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12334171 - 04/05/10 08:44 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cake at 42
bowl at 20 (turning a cake into a verm casing IME gives crap yeilds)


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: CamKron]
    #12334215 - 04/05/10 09:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cake at 73 grams.

bowl will probably do 69.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: teesionbear]
    #12334451 - 04/05/10 10:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe I'm excited

yayyyy

lol..

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: teesionbear]
    #12334506 - 04/05/10 10:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ok wait so
is everybody else
getting to vote twice now,
wait wait whats going on
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Re: Method (con)test [Re: getfasterer]
    #12334651 - 04/05/10 10:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Only 1 vote per person.  If someone posts multiple guesses, only the first will be accepted.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12334918 - 04/05/10 11:36 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

21 egg


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: OxyProx]
    #12377643 - 04/12/10 11:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Lil update...

Both the cake and the bowl have pinned and appear healthy.  Should have this contest wrapped up in the next few days.  Anyone who hasn't put in their guess yet, now is your chance!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12377742 - 04/12/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thats just vermiculite on the casing and cake? It looks like peat or something too..wierd.

Everyone thinks the bowl wont make it cause everyones against crumbling cakes these days. I've seen cake casings do great too, just like cakes.

I say the bowl will get more just to go against everyone :tongue:

edit again: FINE! wet weight :smile:

202 grams.

If I win I dont want the print anyway..I'm sure someone else could use it more.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12377784 - 04/12/10 11:58 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, hyphaes pinning strategy is a crumbled cake cased (say that 10 times fast) its got great results. but its also 50/50

I say bowl 71 grams wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iamu]
    #12377876 - 04/12/10 12:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Scat, guesses are for wet weight.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12378035 - 04/12/10 12:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

155 grams wet


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: botanisthype]
    #12379626 - 04/12/10 04:54 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Uhh, hold on here...  Is that a clone you are testing with?  It's not going to mean anything if it isn't a clone...


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12379670 - 04/12/10 05:02 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not 100% sure what a clone is (I'm still rather new), but as I said, these two cakes were made by g2g from the same cake (ie, I took 8 tiny pieces of myc from 1 cake, and implanted them into 2 new jars).  I know a clone is when you take tissue from a fruit and make myc out of that... But is g2g also considered cloning?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12379696 - 04/12/10 05:05 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Cake with 55g fresh :mushroom2:

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12379740 - 04/12/10 05:13 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not 100% sure what a clone is (I'm still rather new), but as I said, these two cakes were made by g2g from the same cake (ie, I took 8 tiny pieces of myc from 1 cake, and implanted them into 2 new jars).  I know a clone is when you take tissue from a fruit and make myc out of that... But is g2g also considered cloning?




No.  It could have identical genes from constant transfers but it also could not.  It's ultimately coming from a multi-genetic source and you wouldn't know it's a clone unless you took the mycelium directly from a mushroom itself.  In order to test for yields or anything like that you absolutely must use a clone, otherwise you have one wildly uncontrolled variable that is going to produce different results regardless of any other factors.  But you're going to get shrooms anyways, so perhaps you could take a clone from one of them and then test?  For cloning I, as always, strongly recommend the biopsy-to-LC tek, it is very effective.  Good luck.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12382949 - 04/13/10 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

You dont need a clone. Of course there could be differences and hes right, its a huge variable. As long as your aware of that though and dont take the results as solid proof either way. I think its just a simple test, and a G2G actually performs quite similar to each other usually. You can still get differences but I almost always do my batches with G2G's and they all look quite similar, between all 20 some may differ in pinset or look or size or whatever but they stay pretty close.

I do think the weight will be close in each, just a few more grams from the casing.

I've never done a PF cake in my life though :shrug:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12382993 - 04/13/10 01:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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You dont need a clone. Of course there could be differences and hes right, its a huge variable. As long as your aware of that though and dont take the results as solid proof either way. I think its just a simple test, and a G2G actually performs quite similar to each other usually. You can still get differences but I almost always do my batches with G2G's and they all look quite similar, between all 20 some may differ in pinset or look or size or whatever but they stay pretty close




Okay, if you don't want solid proof then you do not need a clone.  Let's clarify that as your point of view, and not simply "no you dont need a clone".  But why would you want anything other than solid proof?  Is that not the point of an experiment?  That makes it a very bad experiment.  You could experiment on the efficacy of a new fuel additive for fuel efficiency on two different makes of compact cars.  Perhaps they are very similar cars, both being compact cars, but the results of the experiment are still not going to mean anything whatsoever...  So let's put this in to perspective: if you want a proper, scientific (as possible) experiment, you need to use a clone, you need to control that variable.  If you want an unscientifically conducted (and thus completely meaningless) experiment, then you should mycelium from a multispore G2G and get results that mean absolutely nothing.  Doublethink?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Poseidon]
    #12383091 - 04/13/10 01:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Its a newbie. With some cakes. Trying something different from what hes tried before. Not that he wont try any of the three methods again. Maybe all, or more multiple times. Maybe neither ever again. Its one little grow with two little cakes. A little contest for people to guess. Its just a guess. The results are mushrooms for the OP, and someone random gets a print. Overthink?


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12383150 - 04/13/10 02:14 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ive only used cakes so that what im gonna stick with, lol. tho i cant wait to see how it goes either way. and  new variety would be nice for me.

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12384277 - 04/13/10 09:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Scat...

Yes, this wasn't originally intended to be a 'scientific experiment' and still isn't, really.  I just did it to try different techniques and learn more than I have been with dunk/roll cakes.  However, upon starting it, I thought it would be fun to run a contest with it since I felt it would be a good battle.

In any event, I did learn a bit during the experience and perhaps in future experiments I will use clones.

That said, can I make a clone by taking live fruit tissue and doing a similar procedure as the g2g (ie just sticking it in a jar)?

Also, Id say there are maybe 2 days left to this contest.  The shrooms be poppin!  Get your votes in!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12384340 - 04/13/10 10:07 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Clones are a great way to grow, and get similar results every time. It is pretty much that simple..take a piece of mushroom and put it in the jar. However, I think you may have got lucky with G2G on PF Tek..maybe no verm barrier if you stick with PF Tek, and use tyvek instead..then you could do it easier. Or try whole grains. Anyway..rip the mushroom stem in half and get some nice big chunks of tissue from the base and throw it in..should work. I've done it with grains.

You could also put it in a ziplock for a few days to let it recover before putting it in a jar. See:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12032286#12032286


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12384793 - 04/13/10 11:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Its a newbie. With some cakes. Trying something different from what hes tried before. Not that he wont try any of the three methods again. Maybe all, or more multiple times. Maybe neither ever again. Its one little grow with two little cakes. A little contest for people to guess. Its just a guess. The results are mushrooms for the OP, and someone random gets a print. Overthink?




In any case I am not trying to insult him or put him (or you) down, and I appreciate the fact that he has an active and contributing member.  I am just trying to point out that experiments must be conducted with clones if you want useful results.  Personally, I conduct a lot of experiments and take their results very seriously and often spread the information here so everyone can optimize their grows, so I think it is necessary to take great care to control the variables.  Regardless, good luck with your experiment, Fung.


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12384831 - 04/13/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

green bowl for 340 wet

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: jokefox]
    #12385123 - 04/13/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Mmm... just my type! :smile:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: jokefox]
    #12385133 - 04/13/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thats all true..but thats what a forum on begining mushroom cultivation is all about.. Most beginers dont use clones, they use MS..so for anyone using MS, it shows something. It shows some results. And when you do G2G and keep everything else right, MS can do good everytime.



Most might think I used clones, all pictures I ever post are MS to one jar, then G2G to 30 jars. You only have 1 jar of the same mismatched genetics from 1 cc of spores for all 30 jars, for all 30 casings. So 1 cc of spores grows out 30 casings..vs 30cc's of spores into 30 jars (1 each of course) and you get alot more genetics into the grow. G2G does limit them somewhat...


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12390818 - 04/14/10 08:17 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

bowl, 65g fresh


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Moetsukiru]
    #12397151 - 04/15/10 09:16 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, results are in!

Bowl - 69.55g wet
Cake - 31.2g wet

In a landslide victory, the bowl takes it with over double the weight.  This bowl was my biggest harvest from a single cake to date and I believe I will use this method from now on.  Even though I don't feel that this is definitively a better method, it seemed to work out well for me.

The winner of the contest with a guess of 71g is Iamu.  PM me with your address and Ill send your print!

Pics to come, probably tomorrow.  Stay tuned!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung] * 1
    #12397631 - 04/15/10 10:55 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

See, everyones always against casing cakes and grains directly..they work out just fine. Breaking up a cake and putting it in a casing, it ends up being one big network again..the same size..with more surface area and a casing surface for moisture. Even with no clone, you can see that it is your biggest harvest of all cakes yet, not even just the one next to it...that says something to me, even if its not a controlled scientific experiment :wink:


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12398605 - 04/15/10 02:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Wooohoo!!

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: iFung]
    #12399120 - 04/15/10 03:39 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

nice contest .. wish i would have seen it sooner!


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Re: Method (con)test [Re: scatmanrav]
    #12400087 - 04/15/10 08:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I think im gonna try casing my next couple cakes like that, see how they work out.

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: teesionbear]
    #28381805 - 07/01/23 08:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Cool experiment, I’ve always wondered if colonizing bags of substrate and then breaking them up in a tray and casing would produce good results. Guess I’ll have to try it one day

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: Kill_shot] * 3
    #28381821 - 07/01/23 08:38 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

stop bumping ancient threads.

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Re: Method (con)test [Re: mushboy]
    #28381834 - 07/01/23 09:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Lmao its the same guy

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