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Alan Rockefeller
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Twiztidsage
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I know it grows here in wonderful Washington State, but the link you provided at MO does not show any observations here.
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CureCat
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These are so not P. cyanescens. They look just perfect for our Bay Area variety of P. subaeruginascens.
Caphill, I agree with Alan... That mushroom you posted does not look like P. cyanescens either, it looks like P. stuntzii to me.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12338050 - 04/05/10 08:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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The second link shows them growing in Lynnwood, Washingon. Courtesy of mjshroomers newest puppet.
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Twiztidsage
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I saw that. Is it truly MJ, or just speculation? Nevermind, after reading it it is quite clear....
Thanks for the !
Edited by Twiztidsage (04/05/10 08:08 PM)
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: Twiztidsage]
#12338348 - 04/05/10 08:45 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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so if they grow in washington , they may be in southwestern BC too? fuck that would be sweet.
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caphillkid
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: CureCat]
#12340008 - 04/06/10 01:09 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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CureCat said: These are so not P. cyanescens. They look just perfect for our Bay Area variety of P. subaeruginascens.
Caphill, I agree with Alan... That mushroom you posted does not look like P. cyanescens either, it looks like P. stuntzii to me.
The pic I posted is not stuntzii. It's a great example of how bad weather late in the season can make a small cyan look weird.
As far as Alan's "perfect Bay Area variety of subaeruginascenes" why don't they look anything like the other Bay Area subs in the other threads? His are distantly wavy, yet I see no other previous pics of them looking this way? If you guys are so sure these are subs, why aren't you discussing how they have apparently gone from bell shaped to all of a sudden wavy like cyans? I'd also like to say that I have this species growing now from a an SF print and they look nothing like these at all.
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inski
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: CureCat]
#12340407 - 04/06/10 03:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree CureCat, definitely not P. cyanescens but is it the same species that is shown in auweia's images?
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auweia
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: caphillkid]
#12340794 - 04/06/10 07:17 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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see here >
http://mushroomobserver.org/name/show_name/5513
there's two different types...The one Alan and Curecat has is from the original discovery in GG Park in 2004
I've never tried those or smelled them so I couldn't tell you how potent they are. I just know that the other type I found that look closer to Azures with a veil remnant are very potent
they're both p subaeruginascens because of the spore shape and size that puts them in section stuntzae, outside of anything cyanescens related
besides the veil remnant there isn't that much more to go on besides the smell, because there was never a good taxonomy with subaeruginascens in the first place. It has never been documented as well as cyans, so there's much less to compare it to
In other words, it's much easier to say that these are definitely not cyanescens...Come to think of it, it's been sort of a process of elimination since they were first discovered in 2004...They're not cyans, they're not azures, not stuntzii, but related
I remember it took a couple years just to narrow it down to p subaeruginascens, and only then because there was nothing left...and even that isn't a perfect match, so it's entirely possible that this can get a new name sometime whenever somebody does a paper on it
and it's possible that each of these two types can also get a separate species name
but for the time being, all we have is P subaeruginascens for both of these types, because there's nothing else out there that comes close to matching it in all aspects
Going on the 6th year now, pretty much because it's still rare and sporadic, and difficult to fruit.
I think that Alan even mentioned that this new and latest find was itself something of an accident after 6 years of trying to transplant it
I'll let him explain that one if he wants
weird stuff....strange species
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CureCat said: These are so not P. cyanescens. They look just perfect for our Bay Area variety of P. subaeruginascens.
Caphill, I agree with Alan... That mushroom you posted does not look like P. cyanescens either, it looks like P. stuntzii to me.
The pic I posted is not stuntzii. It's a great example of how bad weather late in the season can make a small cyan look weird.
As far as Alan's "perfect Bay Area variety of subaeruginascenes" why don't they look anything like the other Bay Area subs in the other threads? His are distantly wavy, yet I see no other previous pics of them looking this way? If you guys are so sure these are subs, why aren't you discussing how they have apparently gone from bell shaped to all of a sudden wavy like cyans? I'd also like to say that I have this species growing now from a an SF print and they look nothing like these at all.
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phishhead
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#12340863 - 04/06/10 08:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Id rely on the microscopy work when its concluded, everyone knows how different the same species can look from mushroom to mushroom. I find active mushrooms all the time that are different color, shape and size.
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auweia
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: phishhead]
#12340927 - 04/06/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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yep, and so far the microscopy for both of these and a third one puts it in section stuntzae
I think there's another one from New Zealand in that section and one from the east coast...From memory I think it's under 10, the total number of species in section stuntzae
unique spore shape and size
my guess is that we're not going to get much further than this point with these 'p subaeruginascens' until somebody figures out what triggers fruiting - and be able to replicate it repeatedly
so far nobodys been able to find this trigger mechanism, except for sporadic and almost accidental fruiting
so whenever we get lucky and somebody figures it out, then there'll be a much better opportunity to study it for consistency....and that's when things will start moving to a new name or stick with this name
Edited by auweia (04/06/10 08:59 AM)
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psylosymonreturns
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Re: Psilocybe subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#12341008 - 04/06/10 09:02 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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dont forget those beauty ovoids which are also a spring fruiter.
and i am looking in PMOTW and it lists 2 other simliar species which i have never seen, p caeruleoannulatta from brazil and p jacobsii from mexico. not sure if they are in the stuntzae section though, it just says they are simliar.
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auweia
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yeah, ovoids was the east coast type in section stuntzae, if I remember right
under some conditions p subaeriginascens can look mighty close to ovoids
but the SF species doesn't quite match ovoids either in all aspects...but they are related in the same family
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psychedelicSLUG
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psylosymonreturns said: dont forget those beauty ovoids which are also a spring fruiter.
and i am looking in PMOTW and it lists 2 other simliar species which i have never seen, p caeruleoannulatta from brazil and p jacobsii from mexico. not sure if they are in the stuntzae section though, it just says they are simliar.
Psilocybe subaeruginascens is very closely related to Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Have you seen the colors of some of the later flushes I have seen?
If not check my gallery.
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msanchez420
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Beautiful photos They look very similar to the Subaeruginosa we find here in Australia - tasty
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psylosymonreturns
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psychedelicSLUG said:
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psylosymonreturns said: dont forget those beauty ovoids which are also a spring fruiter.
and i am looking in PMOTW and it lists 2 other simliar species which i have never seen, p caeruleoannulatta from brazil and p jacobsii from mexico. not sure if they are in the stuntzae section though, it just says they are simliar.
Psilocybe subaeruginascens is very closely related to Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.
Have you seen the colors of some of the later flushes I have seen?
If not check my gallery.
oh ive looked my friend!
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mushroomexplorer
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Edited by mushroomexplorer (03/17/12 01:45 PM)
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Twiztidsage
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Looks like it! Beautiful!
I can't wait to find mine!!!! I'm leaving right now!!!!
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Alan Rockefeller
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Do these look like psilocybe subaeruginascens?
Yes they sure do. Nice find!
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Id rely on the microscopy work when its concluded,
I have been kind of slacking on that, going out to pick morels now...
I'll get some done soon though.
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psylosymonreturns
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mushroomexplorer said: Do these look like psilocybe subaeruginascens?
Season-early spring
Habitat- Wood chips and decaying wood debris in Washington.
Habit- Gropwing in cespitose groups usually forming fairy rings.
Cap- 2.5-5.5cm in diameter, broadly umbonate, margin incurved in youth becoming straight to undulating in maturity, color carmel to tan, hygrophanous, bruses blue Gills- adnexed attachment to stem, crowded spacing, intermediate gills present, color yellowish tan to smokey brown, bruses blue.
Stem- 3-10mm thick by 2.5-4cm long, texture silky, interior hollow, shape staght to flexous, color white bruses blue,
Annulus ring- Persistent, sometimes bruses blue.
Spore print- dark brown to gray brown.
now right there is a good view of the annulus of a sub! plus it shows the wavy caps too that alan posted.
wicked find man!!
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