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8joker
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First Time *PINS*
#12316486 - 04/02/10 08:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, It's my first time growing shrooms and I have a lot of questions. I'll post pics later, if I succeed.
And now a few questions (using the PF TEK):
1. I just finished pressure cooking the jars and I let them cool for a while, and I see small water droplets covering the jars from the inside. Does it mean that the steam got in the jars? Are they still ok? Also, they have some weird smell... maybe of cooked BRF.
2. How long is it recommended to wait between filling a syringe with spores and using it? I've read that 12 hours is a good time, true?
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Edited by 8joker (05/11/10 11:58 AM)
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12316523 - 04/02/10 08:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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your fist issue is not a problem, whenever i finihs a PC my jars always have water droplets i can see on the glass
for your 2nd question, just wait over night or 12 hours... just enough time for all the grain to cool all the way through so you dont kill your spores
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Re: First Time [Re: CamKron]
#12316576 - 04/02/10 08:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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so far so good its nice to see you used the search button keep it up
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Re: First Time [Re: CamKron]
#12316613 - 04/02/10 08:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks guys!
Here's a pic of what I've got so far:

I messed up a bit with the mixture, but I hope it'll be fine.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12316619 - 04/02/10 08:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like the improvization using the drinking glasses.
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Ok, I'm a bit confused as to what should I do for proper gas exchange.
The glasses are currently closed by a double layer of foil with inoculation holes and another layer above that. Should I just leave it like that or remove the top layer or do something else?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12317989 - 04/02/10 01:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those glasses no offense are the very very bad for the PF tek. Also your cakes look compact
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Re: First Time [Re: Shea25]
#12318114 - 04/02/10 02:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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no walmart near you?
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Shea25: Well I knew the glasses weren't ideal for the PF tek. I thought that although they are a bit taller and narrower than what I usually see they still would do fine. But what makes them 'very very bad'?
Funyunsfriend: no.
Anyone knows what to do regarding the gas exchange?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322046 - 04/03/10 06:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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But what makes them 'very very bad'?
Glasses of this shape ain't what you want because it often happens, that the substrate on the bottom gets too dense, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize. That increases the time it takes to colonize, which again, increases the chance for contams.
Another aspect is that the bottom is likely to suffer from a lack of gas exchange, during colonization, which often leads to stalling growth.
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Anyone knows what to do regarding the gas exchange?
In general the dry verm layer and the foil provide perfectly fine gas exchange. The only probably can be -as said- the shape of the jars.
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The foil provides enough gas exchange even if it completely covers the top of the jars?
Why does the substrate on the bottom of the jar get dense? Would a shorter glass solve the problem or does it need to have a wider opening?
Will flipping the jars upside-down from time to time help the gas exchange on the bottom of the jars?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322115 - 04/03/10 07:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The foil provides enough gas exchange even if it completely covers the top of the jars?
Sure, the foil isn't sealed or tight.
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Why does the substrate on the bottom of the jar get dense? Would a shorter glass solve the problem or does it need to have a wider opening?
Because of the weight of the substrate above it. With BRF and Verm this can be a problem.
This would just fuck up the dry verm layer. When problems like a non-colonizing bottom appear, flipping the jars can be helpful. They should remain flipped over then, though.
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Ok, thanks for the answers.
BTW, the foil is exactly like in the picture above, it feels pretty tight. Are you sure I shouldn't loosen it up a bit or something?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322146 - 04/03/10 07:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you sure I shouldn't loosen it up a bit or something?
It will be fine. Half of the jars I'm using are regular drinking jars with tinfoil lids, that are made this way and I never have any problems with it.
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Well, I'm starting to see growth in some of the jars.
Is it ok that some jars have lot's of growth and others have almost none as far as I can see?
Here are some of the jars (day 5):

Does it look good so far?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348485 - 04/07/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it ok that some jars have lot's of growth and others have almost none as far as I can see?
That's normal, yes.
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Does it look good so far?
They do
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Next time you should put a coffee filter under the foil if your not gonna use jars.
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8joker
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 Thanks.
If everything goes fine and considering their current growth rate they should be ready in about 2 weeks to a month, right?
I think it's time to start with the FC questions OK, so I have about 2-3 days every week that I'm not home and I wouldn't be able to fan the cakes or ask anyone to do it. So I'm thinking of setting up a small computer fan to fan the cakes a few times a day. I found a few posts of people doing this, but no follow up posts with results.
Is this method any good? Are there better (easy) methods to automatically fan? I think I'll use this method in any case, but any input is welcome.
Edited by 8joker (04/07/10 01:25 PM)
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348761 - 04/07/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd rather stick to the regular Shotgung FC tek, that provides constant FAE.
When you fan your tub without misting it, the chances for the cakes to dry out are pretty high.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348803 - 04/07/10 01:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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But how is it different from people fanning the cakes manually?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348808 - 04/07/10 01:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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It isn't. It's just that when you're present to fan your tub, your also present to mist. Which you wouldn't, when you're away
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Fahkface said: I'd rather stick to the regular Shotgung FC tek, that provides constant FAE.
When you fan your tub without misting it, the chances for the cakes to dry out are pretty high.
that's how.
edit: fahkface beat me to it.
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Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.
We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends.
Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Again, I don't really understand how is a fan blowing for a few minutes every day different from somebody waving his hands for a few minutes every day? It's just air flowing, and if properly set up it would be roughly the same amount of air. What am I not getting?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348921 - 04/07/10 01:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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srsly?
you won't be there to mist it.
what don't you get?
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Ah, that explains it. Typical know-it-all noob. We get a few thousand just like you register here every year. They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.
We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends.
Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing. They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end. They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection. These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348933 - 04/07/10 01:51 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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What am I not getting?
You are not getting the following: When you fan you increase the loss of water from the substrate. This lost water needs to be replaced by misting.
If you fan manually you can also mist.
As long as you PC fan can also mist your cakes, you're fine. When it can't there's no one there to mist the cakes.
Now
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348965 - 04/07/10 01:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh... when manually fanning you have to mist too? Must have missed it. Well, I'll have to think of some other method, I guess...
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12398361 - 04/15/10 12:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Day 13:


The best colonized jar is at about 80% and the worst one is at about 15%. Do the fast ones produce bigger fruits?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12398404 - 04/15/10 01:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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you get 5 from me for makin drinking glasses work for you man great job so far!! good luck 
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Thanks man
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12447997 - 04/24/10 05:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Any updates joker?
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Re: First Time [Re: dstark]
#12448090 - 04/24/10 07:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of the jars are at 85%-99%, the slowest one is at about 50%. They should be ready for birthing in a few days.

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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12484527 - 04/30/10 04:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, so now I have one jar that is fully colonized for a few days now and has hypal knots (I think). The other jars will be ready in about 4 days or so. Should I birth the fully colonized one now or would it be better to wait till the other jars are also colonized and birth them together?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12485004 - 04/30/10 06:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd hold off and go for together.. It's nice to have a fuller fruiting chamber, as a micro-climate is created between the cakes which further induces pinning. You'll want to leave the cakes in the glasses a bit past 100% colonization though in order to consolidate substrate further.
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Re: First Time [Re: Nme]
#12485320 - 04/30/10 07:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess I'll hold off for a few more days and hope the cake doesn't pin. Thanks.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12487251 - 05/01/10 03:32 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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as a micro-climate is created between the cakes which further induces pinning.
What kind of micro-climate exactly are you talking about? A single cake performs just as well, as a bunch of cakes in the FC.
If the cake already produces knots, I'd birth, dunk and roll it now. If the knots form pins, the fruits that eventually develop are likely to be deformed, because they were pressed against the jar walls.
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OK, then I guess I'll birth it in 2 days or so and the others later. (unless it is ok to dunk it for 2 days - then I can birth it now) Are these really knots?


Also, the weekly group photo.(I flipped the ones that had only the bottom left uncovered because they were slowing down)
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12491858 - 05/02/10 12:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are these really knots?
Yup!
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OK, I need quick help, please. I dunked the colonized cake for almost 24h and tried to roll it, but the verm doesn't stick. I put the half-rolled cake in the FC so it doesn't dry out for now. I guess it happened because the verm was too coarse. What should I do now?
Edit: re-rolled it with broken down verm... still didn't stick too well. hope it's not too bruised after all the rolling.
Edited by 8joker (05/03/10 11:58 AM)
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Fahkface said: What kind of micro-climate exactly are you talking about? A single cake performs just as well, as a bunch of cakes in the FC.
Well I am talking on an rather trivial level, but I've always found that a single cake does not perform as well in a shotgun FC when it comes to initiating pins etc. This most likely could indeed be due to my FC's inadequacies, although I have heard a few trusted members saying similar and had just accepted this as fact (Maybe just good advice to n00bs who probably dont have a 100% efficient terarrium). Perhaps this is simply the nature of a shotgun FC as opposed to other automated FCs (which would give a better distribution of moisture). I believe the concept was that a cluster of neighbouring moist masses would produce a higher domestic humidity or microclimate between themselves. I know this is the purpose of the FC itself, providing enclosure etc, but also the proximity of adjacent cakes would further heighten humidity on a sub-level to the terrarium (Hence I said 'micro'-climate) Or am I getting my definitions wrong?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12503467 - 05/04/10 06:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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8joker said: OK, I need quick help, please. I dunked the colonized cake for almost 24h and tried to roll it, but the verm doesn't stick. I put the half-rolled cake in the FC so it doesn't dry out for now. I guess it happened because the verm was too coarse. What should I do now?
Edit: re-rolled it with broken down verm... still didn't stick too well. hope it's not too bruised after all the rolling. 
I had the exact same problem buddy,and haven't really found a satisfactory answer.  all the cakes I've seen seem completely covered in the verm casing.
RR replied in my thread and said you need the cakes soaking before applying the verm on the roll-hence his spraying under a faucet before dropping in the verm. For me,I've found this soaking and a BIG bowl full of verm helps-dropping te cake in a bowl where it is covered by te verm,maybe?
At least I'm notthe only one to have this silly problem!
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Thanks, I'll try the soaking and big bowl roll with the other cakes.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12504717 - 05/04/10 12:27 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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No probs buddy.  It might also be worth trying to crush up the verm somewhat before use-I dunno about you,but the verm I get is moderately chunky.Maybe with some smaller crushed pieces,a soaking cake and a submerged roll...
It's what I'll be trying next time,anyways. 
good luck with the cakes,my man.
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Well I dunkn'rolled the second cake. Still not perfect, but much better than the first one. The soaking and the big bowl sure did help
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12542643 - 05/11/10 11:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The first cake started pinning yesterday:

Most of the pins are at the bottom of the cake, what can I do to make the rest of the cake pin?
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