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8joker
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First Time *PINS*
#12316486 - 04/02/10 08:06 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, It's my first time growing shrooms and I have a lot of questions. I'll post pics later, if I succeed.
And now a few questions (using the PF TEK):
1. I just finished pressure cooking the jars and I let them cool for a while, and I see small water droplets covering the jars from the inside. Does it mean that the steam got in the jars? Are they still ok? Also, they have some weird smell... maybe of cooked BRF.
2. How long is it recommended to wait between filling a syringe with spores and using it? I've read that 12 hours is a good time, true?
Thanks, 8
Edited by 8joker (05/11/10 11:58 AM)
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12316523 - 04/02/10 08:18 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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your fist issue is not a problem, whenever i finihs a PC my jars always have water droplets i can see on the glass
for your 2nd question, just wait over night or 12 hours... just enough time for all the grain to cool all the way through so you dont kill your spores
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Re: First Time [Re: CamKron]
#12316576 - 04/02/10 08:37 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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so far so good its nice to see you used the search button keep it up
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8joker
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Re: First Time [Re: CamKron]
#12316613 - 04/02/10 08:52 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks guys!
Here's a pic of what I've got so far:

I messed up a bit with the mixture, but I hope it'll be fine.
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12316619 - 04/02/10 08:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like the improvization using the drinking glasses.
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8joker
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Ok, I'm a bit confused as to what should I do for proper gas exchange.
The glasses are currently closed by a double layer of foil with inoculation holes and another layer above that. Should I just leave it like that or remove the top layer or do something else?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12317989 - 04/02/10 01:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those glasses no offense are the very very bad for the PF tek. Also your cakes look compact
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Re: First Time [Re: Shea25]
#12318114 - 04/02/10 02:09 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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no walmart near you?
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8joker
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Shea25: Well I knew the glasses weren't ideal for the PF tek. I thought that although they are a bit taller and narrower than what I usually see they still would do fine. But what makes them 'very very bad'?
Funyunsfriend: no.
Anyone knows what to do regarding the gas exchange?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322046 - 04/03/10 06:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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But what makes them 'very very bad'?
Glasses of this shape ain't what you want because it often happens, that the substrate on the bottom gets too dense, making it hard for the mycelium to colonize. That increases the time it takes to colonize, which again, increases the chance for contams.
Another aspect is that the bottom is likely to suffer from a lack of gas exchange, during colonization, which often leads to stalling growth.
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Anyone knows what to do regarding the gas exchange?
In general the dry verm layer and the foil provide perfectly fine gas exchange. The only probably can be -as said- the shape of the jars.
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8joker
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The foil provides enough gas exchange even if it completely covers the top of the jars?
Why does the substrate on the bottom of the jar get dense? Would a shorter glass solve the problem or does it need to have a wider opening?
Will flipping the jars upside-down from time to time help the gas exchange on the bottom of the jars?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322115 - 04/03/10 07:29 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The foil provides enough gas exchange even if it completely covers the top of the jars?
Sure, the foil isn't sealed or tight.
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Why does the substrate on the bottom of the jar get dense? Would a shorter glass solve the problem or does it need to have a wider opening?
Because of the weight of the substrate above it. With BRF and Verm this can be a problem.
This would just fuck up the dry verm layer. When problems like a non-colonizing bottom appear, flipping the jars can be helpful. They should remain flipped over then, though.
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8joker
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Ok, thanks for the answers.
BTW, the foil is exactly like in the picture above, it feels pretty tight. Are you sure I shouldn't loosen it up a bit or something?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12322146 - 04/03/10 07:43 AM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you sure I shouldn't loosen it up a bit or something?
It will be fine. Half of the jars I'm using are regular drinking jars with tinfoil lids, that are made this way and I never have any problems with it.
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8joker
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Well, I'm starting to see growth in some of the jars.
Is it ok that some jars have lot's of growth and others have almost none as far as I can see?
Here are some of the jars (day 5):

Does it look good so far?
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348485 - 04/07/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it ok that some jars have lot's of growth and others have almost none as far as I can see?
That's normal, yes.
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Does it look good so far?
They do
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Next time you should put a coffee filter under the foil if your not gonna use jars.
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8joker
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 Thanks.
If everything goes fine and considering their current growth rate they should be ready in about 2 weeks to a month, right?
I think it's time to start with the FC questions OK, so I have about 2-3 days every week that I'm not home and I wouldn't be able to fan the cakes or ask anyone to do it. So I'm thinking of setting up a small computer fan to fan the cakes a few times a day. I found a few posts of people doing this, but no follow up posts with results.
Is this method any good? Are there better (easy) methods to automatically fan? I think I'll use this method in any case, but any input is welcome.
Edited by 8joker (04/07/10 01:25 PM)
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348761 - 04/07/10 01:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd rather stick to the regular Shotgung FC tek, that provides constant FAE.
When you fan your tub without misting it, the chances for the cakes to dry out are pretty high.
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8joker
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Re: First Time [Re: 8joker]
#12348803 - 04/07/10 01:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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But how is it different from people fanning the cakes manually?
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