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OfflineViking
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What's wrong with my casing?
    #1230700 - 01/19/03 09:17 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)


If I'm being too impatient here, let me know, but I've had my casing in the terrarium for over2.5 weeks now, and I can see maybe 4 hyphal knots and one tiny knot that looks like it may form a pin in the future. I expected a lot more growth by this time.

My casing looked maybe 20-25% colonized on the surface, but I was told to put it in the terrarium by some people here. Is it possible there are lots of pins and hyphal knots forming under the vermiculite right now?

Fanning has been 3x per day, temps are around 75-80. About humidity, I don't have a hygrometer, but whenver I open the terrarium there is a thin layer of water on the lid, as well as on the floor. I have two small dishes of perlite in there to help this. Does this sound right?

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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1230712 - 01/19/03 09:27 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Remove one dish of perlite. If the problem persists remove the other as well.


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1230761 - 01/19/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think removing the perlite will help in any way with primodia forming as you really want the humidity level percentage to be in the high 90s. Even with temp between 70 and 75 it still requires 10-14 days to start pinning in most cases. Keep your temp closer to 75 and you should be fine.


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OfflineViking
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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: blazenaz]
    #1230798 - 01/19/03 10:14 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)


Any input as to whether hyphal knots/pins can form under a layer of vermiculite?

Thanks
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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1231087 - 01/19/03 12:57 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

yes they can.


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1231162 - 01/19/03 01:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What is your lighting situation.?


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: motaman]
    #1231204 - 01/19/03 02:01 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You want a lower humidity for hyphal knots to form. I highly think that there is much too much humidity in there.


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: motaman]
    #1231279 - 01/19/03 02:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)


Until this point, I had one casing in a rubbermaid container (not see through). It received 1 hour a day from a 25W Blue light bulb.

Now, I have two casings in a larger, see through rubbermaid, so they'll be getting natural room light about 12 hours per day.

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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1231290 - 01/19/03 02:41 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

your problem wa slack of lighting msotly, also sixcee has a good point about it being over humidified. for cakes you want condensation on the top and sides, for casings you don't. but i would expect you'll be seeing many more pins with the 12 hour light cycle rather than jsut one.


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    #1231360 - 01/19/03 03:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Viking]
    #1231402 - 01/19/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

look you need to drop the humidity ......a single drop of water can destroy up to 100 small pin heads .....thats right folks .... from every drop of water fallin offf your lid its killin your harvest.... but thats ok ive done it to its called trail and error



oh and you really shouldnt worrie so much about humidity with commercial b+ strain it tends to grow better with some one not paying so close detail to it
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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: mycoman]
    #1231593 - 01/19/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Don't drop the rh. It's supposed to be around 95-100% for primordia formation. And water drops don't kill my pins dude.


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: defthreat]
    #1231919 - 01/19/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Don't drop the rh. It's supposed to be around 95-100% for primordia formation. And water drops don't kill my pins dude.



True so very true.



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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: Macey Howard]
    #1232056 - 01/19/03 08:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well I have to agree with Moe. Process of elimination. I am a newbie myself and there is alot of questions that can only be determined by the one trying to determine. Everyones setup and methods are different. Even if it was textbook. But mycoman does have a point. I think what he said may have been alot of my own problems. I do have to disagree about dropping the RH. Figuring out away to prevent any water droplets may be a better way to exclude that problem. Dropping the RH may create another problem. You may not see droplets actually falling on to you pins. But I also doubt you are there 24/7 to exclude that . I can almost positively say that was my problem.


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Re: What's wrong with my casing? [Re: motaman]
    #1232460 - 01/19/03 11:59 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, if you have two dishes of perlte in there, it really doesnt matter how much.. its how deep the surface area is..  Its the only area that can wick moisture.  It may be easy to confuse condensation with true 90% humidity.. cause that is the bottom of the scale that you want to have...  I just dont think perlite in that manner is going to be giving you anywhere near 90%- 98% humdity without a fish bubbler or something.  You may want to increase the humidity-- are there droplets on the side of your container?  Are you keeping the temps consistantly in the mid 80s?  Using anything to heat them like a radiant heater or what not in the room?  That wicks the humiditty too.  If you do too many things at one time.. you dont really figure out what works.  So start with the humidity level since it is probably the most dangerous to neglect :smile:   
Also, I notice that if you do things like, try to bring pins with cold shocking or strobing or whatever too soon, which 25% on a casing may be a bit too soon life cyclewise... iit seems they take longer to recover.

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