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Mo: FAKE MARIJUANA [K2 Smoke blend]GETS ATTENTION OF POLICE .
    #12302110 - 03/30/10 09:20 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

- Abraham Lincoln (1809-65)


Mo: FAKE MARIJUANA [K2 Smoke blend]
GETS ATTENTION OF POLICE .

NORML | 11/3/09 | David Klepper

Missouri
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KANSAS CITY, Mo.  -- It burns like marijuana, works like
marijuana and it sort of looks like it, too.

And it's perfectly legal.

It's called K2, and area police confirm that the little bags of dried herbs are starting to pop up among teens and young adults.

Although it may be new on the local drug scene, K2 and similar brands have the attention of a Kansas lawmaker who said she would consider outlawing the substance.  That's because the health risks of smoking one of these dubious doobies is unknown.  Some European countries already have moved to ban it.

Available for sale online and at a store in Lawrence, Kan., K2 comes in a small pouch.  Inside is a mix of dried herbs that look like oregano but are laced with chemicals designed to mimic the effects of marijuana.  Other brands go by the names Spice, Genie and Zohai.

Because the active ingredients are just a few atoms away from the real thing, the synthetic stuff isn't covered by laws banning marijuana.  This means K2 and similar products are legal - even though the effects are identical to pot.

Johnson County police first discovered the drug was being used by ex-convicts on probation.  They turned to K2 hoping it wouldn't show up on drug tests as marijuana.  Now police are finding it in high schools.

The Sacred Journey, a botanical store in Lawrence, sells bags of K2 for $15 to $30.  A store manager declined to comment, but an employee said K2 should be burnt as incense and isn't meant to be smoked.  A competing brand is marketed online as "plant food."

The Johnson County Crime Lab ran an analysis on K2.  Although it tested negative for THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, it was positive for synthetic cannabinoids.  These are chemical compounds created in a lab that act on the brain like THC.

K2 contains two synthetic cannabinoids created at Clemson University.  Chemistry professor John W.  Huffman said an undergraduate student working in his lab actually created one of the compounds, called JWH-018 after Huffman's initials.

Huffman said his research was designed to help find new pharmaceutical drugs and a deeper understanding of brain chemistry.  He had no intention of inventing a new way to get high.

"But I'm not the least bit surprised," Huffman said.  "If you make something illegal, like marijuana, people will look for an alternative."

Yet the fake marijuana may be more dangerous than the real McCoy, according to Huffman.  He noted that unlike with marijuana, the risks of smoking synthetic cannabis haven't been studied.  His research suggests the compounds likely break down in the body into carcinogens.

The manufacturer behind K2 and similar brands remains a mystery.  No information is available about the company or individuals making the products.  Huffman said he thought much of the new synthetic cannabis comes from labs in Asia.

He suspects the manufacturer turns the synthetic cannabinoid into powdered or liquid form and mixes it with otherwise harmless herbs.

Britain, Germany, Poland, France, South Korea and Russia have moved to ban the sale of synthetic cannabis within the past year.  Kansas may not be far behind.

State Rep.  Peggy Mast, an Emporia Republican, hadn't heard about K2 until informed by The Kansas City Star.  But she's worried enough to suggest the state should take action.

"I would be very happy to sponsor a bill to make this illegal," Mast said.

Mast sponsored legislation a few years ago that outlawed the hallucinogenic plants jimson weed and salvia divinorum.

Johnson County Sheriff's Deputy Chris Farkes worries that teens may assume synthetic cannabis is safe because it's legal.

"I've even talked with parents who say, 'Oh, it's completely legal so I don't have a problem with my kid smoking it,' " Farkes said.

But Huffman isn't so sure outlawing his creation will help much.

"You ban one and they'll come up with another one,"he said.


Medical Use of Spice


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CitizensAgainst Banning Legal Substances, Kansas Senate Bill 348 and House Bill 2411, Missouri Senate Bill 887 and House Bill 1472. K2, JWH-018 and JWH-073.

"Upon Noble Sacrifices the gods themselves throw incense" - William Shakespeare



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Originally Posted by Ganjika's Notes:

- Editors note: I'd like to add a few things I believe is important for the public to know, I've taken the liberty to put together a list of the herbs in k2 to see if i could get a grasp on how much (if any) danger would be associated with k2's use - from the approach of ; are any of these herbs toxic? this is what i found:
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Note : N/a Does NOT necessarily mean not toxic, rather that there was no information i came across that stated it was -

Also - this list is as of now - pertaining to all the herbs i
could find in k2 standard/citron/blonde & summit.

[During this study - i found that MANY of the plants listed below have a ton of medicinal value - from easing constipation to even KILLING CANCER CELLS in a way similar to THC's effect on cancer cells - killing dying/aging/weak and cancerous cells and leaving the healthy tissues perfectly fine. (thc actually STRENGTHENS healthy tissues.) - I''ll post a list of each plants medicinal value SOON.]

K2 Standard: contains a proprietary
blend of herbs and extracts including :

Canavalia rosea -
Seeds are toxic (but there are NO seeds in K2.).


Clematis vitalba -
Clematis is also known as Poor Man's Friend and Boys Baca - referring to the stems being used as a tobacco substitute. However, all parts of the plant are toxic to a certain degree. Flowers were also used as a substitute for tea. TOXIC IF EATEN.

Nelumbo nucifera -
n/a.

Pedicularis grandifolia -
n/a.

Heimia salicifolia -
No adverse side-effects or after-effects are known. This plant is not known to be particularly toxic, although prolonged use can negatively affect memory.

Humulus lupulus -
Hop (Humulus lupulus) is cultivated for its use in beer-making. It is also used as an ornamental vine in many areas. Hop pickers can develop dermatitis from working with common hop plants

Lavender -
n/a.

Leonurus sibiricus -
No truly toxic dosage is known massive overdoses fed to rats during experiments did not produce death. Because the effects of the pure herbage are not especially pronounced, they can be synergistically potentiated by mixing with other herbs.

Ledum palustre -
Wild rosemary is used in beer for it's pleasantly fresh and spicy aroma, its bitter taste and also its enjoyable narcotic properties. It should not be used in excess as it is somewhat toxic and can cause headaches.

Calendula blossoms -
N/A.

Rose -
N/A

Bay Bean -
N/A




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the whole point of this article is not to advertise the thing, its to get people to see (mainly people who may google k2 incense and come across this, it is in the first page of results as of this posting) that this article is just propaganda trying to push for another unwarranted expansion of their already failing war on drugs and that things like this seem to only come into existence becuase of the already failing war on marijuana.

& that more importantly that marijuana itself is one of the safest substances in the world full of medicinal value, and how since its illegal many people are using this incense blend more then they ever would for intoxicating effects becuase marijuana is illegal when even it itself shouldn't be.

If i bought fish food - for example, (laced with a synthetic cannabinoid or not) and got a marijuana like high from it, i should be allowed to smoke it and do as i want (whether it was good or bad for me) - as long as i dont try to drive under the influence of it or do anything that might hurt anyone else either, we don't need the government telling us what we can or can not put into our bodys, only to profit off of it if I am caught doing so, how is that protecting anyone but the governments salary's? It may be a deterrent for a select few but to most, It isn't and its proven prohibition doesn't stop anything - just increases use and greed and corruption (just to name a few things.)
- we need to avoid starting more prohibition and start stopping prohibition,(of drugs - especially when the drugs trying to be prohibited are being compared to marijuana - one of the safest drugs, which really when u actually think about it [how they want to make it illegal because of its similarity to pot]- is laughable,) and actually help people with real treatment who are addicted to hard drugs -

if marijuana was legal all along - and you told people about this, more of those people than now would crack up at this, like some sort of bad joke. We need to realize that there never was, isn't now and never will be a drug free society and the only people that pay for such things as the Coalition for a Drug Free society are people like the alcohol and tobacco industry - and that even if alcohol and tobacco were illegal, it wouldn't stop people from using those things and that getting high is literally a part of man kinds development as an intelligent being, it effected our growth into sentient animals tremendously and many of our favorite things (especially in the fields of music/art/science/math/etc) come from the psychedelic experience, from the discovery of the double helix structure of DNA to some of the greatest works of Carl Sagan.

Cannabinoids as a whole should be available to us altogether for everything from pain management to curing cancer (as well as stopping the pain caused by cancer) - we should be able to have access to these things for study and research and every need in between, arresting only those who do stupid stuff under its influence should they choose to ingest these things.

If deadly drugs like tobacco are legal, safe ones like marijuana should be too - all a cigarette is ,is a legal joint - the ironic thing is that unlike marijuana, the legal tobacco is highly addictive and kills more people than all illegal drugs do combined.





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:zoom:"Marijuana is Only Addictive In The Sense That All Good Things In Life Are Worth Repeating...":scrambled:


Edited by Ganjika (03/30/10 09:25 PM)


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Re: Mo: FAKE MARIJUANA [K2 Smoke blend]GETS ATTENTION OF POLICE . [Re: Ganjika]
    #12302135 - 03/30/10 09:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

we havent even finished with salvia


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Re: Mo: FAKE MARIJUANA [K2 Smoke blend]GETS ATTENTION OF POLICE . [Re: Sandoz]
    #12302162 - 03/30/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)




Default
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

at 00:56 Larry Seward says "3 OUNCE bags for $15-$30 dollars
a piece..." its B.S - its 3 gram bags + its sad a lot of people can't see the bags on
the tv and KNOW its not even 1 ounce of material.

These are misleading LIES meant to SCARE people into
supporting another unlawful PROHIBITION. More people die
every day becuase of cigerettes and alcohol - this
is a fact.

3 OZ's IS VERY CLOSE TO A FULL ON QUARTER POUND (4 oz's) - Do Those Bags
They Are Showing Even Look Like a Quarter Pound of it?

They want me to believe that they sell k2 for 15 to 30 dollars a QP????????

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"It knocked a Polk County teenager
unconscious for five hours"


even tho i doubt it was the k2 that knocked him unconcious - perfectly legal Alcohol knocked this teenager into a coma for 5 weeks before he actually died...

Death of boy in alcoholic coma brings calls for law changes |

[though i feel as though the individual in this story was epilileptic - for more information, see original story, just wanted to share this here in this post as well though...]

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I honestly think the kid passing out is the fake hype (propaganda), not people saying it has some psychoactive effect, it works - but only if you choose to smoke your incense (which there is no law against.) - you would even get munchies due to the cannabinoids working on cb1 side of your receptors.

- it is only being criticized becuase half of the people fear it the way they fear marijuana becuase they were taught from a young age it is the demons herb an so fourth, and other half want an unwarrantable expansion on the war on drugs (for profits).

it works, don't know whats so hard to believe about that - just saying.

though i see what you mean about people with unregistered accounts posting - at the same time, people shouldn't just buy a product only becuase some one on a forum said so, they should research it first and so fourth - otherwise, how is that any different that buying a product JUST becuase billy maize says its great? do your homework first - if there is jwh or some other synthetic cannabinoid in there, its psychoactive, but as i said earlier, this and marijuana should both be legal and regulated, if they make this illegal - it will just create a lucrative and dangerous (and oftenly violent) black market powered by greed and criminal element.


[if there are any laws passed,it should be laws allowing for true regulation, full quality controls (for consumption, since people will do so anyways) and age limits (so you need an I.D by law to buy it - gotta be 18 or 21 to purchase it.) - an scientific studies done on it, not to bash it into illegality even if something was slightly wrong, but to inform people so they can make choices based off the facts - tobacco kills more people that all illegal drugs combined each year, but we let people make that choice on their own .]

The kid passing out sounds lie either a lie or a potential
epileptic episode mixed/induced by or with severe panic attacks.

His story sounds like he might have been having an aura.

again - heres a link about a story involving another teenager who drank
alcohol before slipping into a 5 week long coma, before ultimately dying.

But - just becuase that teen died from a coma, doesn't mean prohibition is any better of a choice, we learned that in the 1920's and applied it in the 1930's.

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If people get a buzz off of it - A LOT of people, that is why it needs to be regulated the RIGHT way... 50 bucks for 3 grams is similar to high grade herb prices too (prohibition prices) ... so whats the prob?  people pay that much for 3 grams of dro already... (again only becuase of prohibition, and this stuff only exists becuase of prohibition... )



People will do it, the politicians just want $$$$$ thats why they want it illegal, so they can arrest and profit off of you if you are unlucky enough to get caught with it, just like weed, doesn't matter how safe it is or not, becuase they want it illegal BEFORE we find out its benefits and safety... if it was about protecting people TOBACCO would be illegal cuz its everything marijuana "is"... supposedly. (addictive and deadly, which it is neither but that didnt stop them from saying this before anyone knew any better).



Edited by Ganjika (03/30/10 09:30 PM)


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Re: Mo: FAKE MARIJUANA [K2 Smoke blend]GETS ATTENTION OF POLICE . [Re: Ganjika]
    #12302305 - 03/30/10 09:50 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
All good stuff here, but rather old newswise and most of this has been posted previously in relation to the K2/JWH ban, the Sacred Journey and Bouncing Bear raids, etc.


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