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#13186067 - 09/12/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Obama knows now. That's why he has essentially continued most of Bush's policies in this regard.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: zappaisgod]
#13186086 - 09/12/10 05:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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geez I keep hearing this, but the fucked up part is that i keep wondering how much 'control' these presidents really have over these policies.
i mean obama is now flipping out that if a vote favors republicans this november 2nd for an election(i'm sorry i suck with politics), that truthfully many of his new policies(including health care) could be thrown out as soon as fast as they were brought back in
personally i hate discussing politics on a psychedelic message forum, but lol i figure if i'll get enlightened anywhere, it'll be here.
or maybe i'll get enlightened in the arctic, since politics don't fly as heavy there as everywhere else in the world. i mean god damn politics are evil.
please continue
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: imachavel]
#13187115 - 09/12/10 09:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think politics are very complicated at the moment.
basically its all a sham and a fraud. every government program i can think of exists to fuck things up.
as far as the president's power, i think they're main function is to provide the necessary illusion that someone is watching over us. people just love 'em.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: Grav]
#13187175 - 09/12/10 10:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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crap
it's like when everyone is wrong then it's easy to see that shit is fucked up
it's the lies that hurt?
LMAO
it's sad but most people agree to some extent. oh well. i guess you're right when things get back on track that is when you don't know who is fucking you and who isn't
sucks though to have a whole world government order based on bullshit. at least murder is still illegal in most places. thank god i didn't have to live in world war 2 era
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: imachavel]
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we don't have a whole world government yet 
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: Grav]
#13195644 - 09/14/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Democrats did 911
The Dims hired some of their Al Qaeda allies and had them fly the planes into the buildings in order to get Bush to start the wars in Afganistan and Iraq. Misinformation was constantly given to Bush and Cheney by the Democrats to start and escalate the wars. This is part of the plan of the Democrats to bankrupt the US in order to convert it into a socialist country with the Democrats controlling Washington permanently and a life-long Democrat as dictator in the whitehouse.
The second step in the Democrats' genocidal plan is to push the global warming lie. Global warming alarmism was created by the Club of Rome (Al Gore is a member) and some members of the UN who are planning genocide of most of the human race as part of their paranoid plans to save the planet. In reality, they want to destroy most of human life so they can have the remaining reserves of the earth for themselves and at much lower prices.
Update: Environmental Groups Exposed: ‘Every dollar spent has been aimed at helping Democrats’
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=262204fd-802a-23ad-48d8-a7704ecc91a6
An Inconvenient Truth exaggerated sea level rise
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/09/04/scigore104.xml
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CO2: The Greatest Scientific Scandal Of Our Time by Zbigniew Jaworowski
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/20_1-2_CO2_Scandal.pdf
Read the part on page 16 that says:
We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse. Strong elaborated on the idea of sustainable development, which, he said, can be implemented by deliberate quest of poverty . . . reduced resource consumption . . . and set levels of mortality control.
Timothy Wirth, U.S. Undersecretary of State for Global Issues, seconded Strong’s statement: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.”
President-elect Barack Obama proposes economic suicide for US
By Christopher Booker
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/30/do3010.xml
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2172
Money being made from warming scare
Larry Thornberry
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/02/money-being-made-from-warming-scare/
The Democratic Party has opposed ANWR exploration, coal-to-liquids techonology, oil shale exploration, outer continental shelf (OCS) exploration and increasing refinery capacity
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/06/020696.php
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.
Poison gas and biological weapons were found in Iraq. Sadam used poison gas on the Kurds and against Iran."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
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If Phred doesn't deserve a 5 white death cap rating for this thread then I don't know what else qualifies for it.
This thread is a mockery to all logical and intelligent people across the world.
VOTE him to be DE-MODDED NOW!
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: Grav]
#13197775 - 09/15/10 03:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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imachavel said:
or maybe i'll get enlightened in the arctic, since politics don't fly as heavy there as everywhere else in the world. i mean god damn politics are evil.
please continue
Between all the countries claiming soveirgnty, the climate/polar bear nonsense, and Putin cruising around planting flags for mother russia, I doubt that's a good bet for avoiding politics.
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If Phred doesn't deserve a 5 white death cap rating for this thread then I don't know what else qualifies for it.
This thread is a mockery to all logical and intelligent people across the world.
VOTE him to be DE-MODDED NOW!
Right, cuz we need moderators who people agree with, cuz.... wait, why do we need this again?
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the CIA's actions are directly affecting the public.
it's not right to be on the receiving end of their fuck-ups while at the same time not know wtf theyre doing.
what fuckups?
From what I've seen, they didn't make any fuckups- it was the politicians who politicized the process and twisted crap to make the case for war that were the problem.
Well, the problem was idiots giving bush a blank check and then bitching when he cashed it, running on a platform of reversing the charge, and then writing more once they got (re)elected- but bush's deception and abuse of the latest moral panick/fear frenzy didn't help either
I mean, it wasn't like bush kept it a secret what he planned to do once he got the AUMF passed.
Far as I can see, the only bullshit at the CIA that I'm aware of is Tenent and company trying to give georgee whatever he wanted.
What exactly are you referring to?
(all the stupid crap seemed plausible and just plain bad intelligence that folks decided to back cuz it served their purpose- UAV's and other stupid delivery systems, chems and stupid crap like that, ray guns, et cet)
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: johnm214]
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idunno if phred should be demodded, but to be honest, he quoted an old article while the study done a year or 2 after completely cleansed saddam hussein. if anything he stumbled upon that article and found it interested. he was not well informed. as for gi_luvmoney. i mean i wished someone wouldbe on his side.
democrats did 9/11.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: communeart]
#13198446 - 09/15/10 09:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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idunno if phred should be demodded, but to be honest, he quoted an old article while the study done a year or 2 after completely cleansed saddam hussein. if anything he stumbled upon that article and found it interested. he was not well informed. as for gi_luvmoney. i mean i wished someone wouldbe on his side.
democrats did 9/11.
What study completely "cleansed" Saddam Hussein? How about the trial that cleansed the Earth of Saddam Hussein? Holy shit we have some fantasists around here.
Has it ever occurred to you that if Phred were to resign his modship, they might ask ME to replace him? That would be like the not really conservative Bush getting impeached just to have the glorious basterd Cheney take over. "How you like me now, bitches?" Bwahahahahaha.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: zappaisgod]
#13199737 - 09/15/10 02:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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.... leave phred on!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_of_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq#Iraq.27s_alleged_links_to_al-Qaeda
yes i guess it didn't completely white wash him and he was willing to use terrorist groups just like we do.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: communeart]
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No, I guess it fucking didn't. What terrorist groups does Canada use these days, anyway? The Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents/Wheelchair Assassins of Southern Québec?
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: zappaisgod]
#13200733 - 09/15/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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it fucking don't or it fucking does most of it? they clearly state he has no link to 9/11 but he did show a willingness to support other similar groups.
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No, I guess it fucking didn't. What terrorist groups does Canada use these days, anyway? The Assassins des Fauteuils Rollents/Wheelchair Assassins of Southern Québec?
oh that's right, blame canada.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: communeart]
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while the study done a year or 2 completely cleansed saddam hussein.
You made a post that was complete bullshit. Bush never said Saddass did 9/11. Ever.
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.... leave phred on!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_of_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq#Iraq.27s_alleged_links_to_al-Qaeda
yes i guess it didn't completely white wash him and he was willing to use terrorist groups just like we do.
When YOU say WE you can only mean Canucks. So, I ask again, what terrorist groups are you Canucks using these days?
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: Phred]
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We've found the weapons of mass destruction.
-George W. Bush, May 30, 2003; Polish TV interview.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: jimbotron]
#13211071 - 09/17/10 06:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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jimbotron said:
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We've found the weapons of mass destruction.
-George W. Bush, May 30, 2003; Polish TV interview.
  
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: johnm214]
#13215693 - 09/18/10 08:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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what fuckups?
existing.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: Grav]
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Charlie Rose Talks to Tony Blair
The former British Prime Minister, whose memoir, A Journey, has drawn protests in Dublin and London, defends the invasion of Iraq
By Charlie Rose
What have you learned about the way the world works since you left office that you wish you had known when you were Prime Minister?
The first is that power is shifting east—and fast. This is not a cliché. It is a reality and it's transformative. And it has huge implications for the West. The second is that I've got a clearer understanding of [Islamic] extremism now and how what is effectively a global movement with an ideology operates.
Exactly what have you learned about radical, violent fundamentalists?
That the problem is not simply the extremism. One of the mistakes is in thinking that if you deal with the extremists, you deal with the problem. My view is that the problem is a particular narrative about Islam that is shared by a far broader spectrum than we think. That narrative is basically that Islam is under oppression from the West and that by the leadership of Muslim countries being in alliance with the West, they are somehow complicit in the betrayal of their religion. It's a narrative that has to be challenged inside and outside.
How far away is your thinking from [Samuel] Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations?
I don't think there is a clash of civilizations, but I think the issue he raised is essentially correct. I don't think the 21st century will be a century of political ideology. I think it will be a century of religious or cultural ideology with the potential to divide and cause conflict.
Doesn't your book come down agreeing with Dick Cheney?
I agree with his view that the world had to be remade as a result of September 11, although I would do it [with] a far greater combination of hard and soft power.
What's interesting to me is that even though Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, for you the invasion of Iraq was inevitable after 9/11.
It is true that while Saddam wasn't responsible for [the attacks] ... you can't understand anything about the decision I took after 9/11 without understanding that this was not just [about] the 3,000 people who died that day but the fact that if it could have been 30,000, they would have killed 30,000 or 300,000. What that means is you're dealing with a completely different type of terrorist threat, and that immediately raised the issues to do with nuclear, chemical, and biological proliferation. And the place to start was Iraq ... because Saddam was breaching the U.N. resolutions and used chemical weapons in the Iran war, used them against his own people; thousands died as a result of it.
What would have kept you from supporting an invasion of Iraq?
That's really simple—a genuine change of heart. ... You could have drawn the conclusion that because [Saddam] didn't have an active program, he had no intent, when actually we know now that he kept the scientists together, kept the know-how, kept the laboratories going, and his desire was to restart [production of weapons of mass destruction] once he got rid of the sanctions. And since oil prices in the next few years rose significantly, he would have had the money, the intent, and the know-how. I've never accepted this idea that had we simply left him there, he would have retired into comfortable old age and obscurity.
Are you convinced that history will be on your side?
You can never be convinced about these things, but yes, in the end. As I always say to people, there are two issues with Iraq. One is the whole question of WMD: [We] said there was an active program, and there wasn't. Therefore no casus belli, as it were. The second thing, though, that looms even bigger for people is the difficulties [after] we then went into in Iraq. Saddam was removed in two months. By the middle of 2003 we were there with full U.N. authority, U.S. and U.K. troops. Had it been like Kosovo, for example, probably there wouldn't be an issue today.
If the war was successful and quick?
And had then stopped.
But doesn't that say something about the leadership of you, President Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Cheney, and others? You were not wise enough to appreciate the possibilities.
Well, the interesting question is if you had foreseen that al-Qaeda would come in, that Iran would operate in the way it did, would you then have backed off?
And?
And the answer is no.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
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Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.
Poison gas and biological weapons were found in Iraq. Sadam used poison gas on the Kurds and against Iran."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
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relevance?
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