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Psilocybe Cyanescens
    #12299553 - 03/30/10 01:52 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Are those the same thing as Panaeolus Cyanescens?


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Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12299568 - 03/30/10 01:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

nope, panaeolus cyanscens grow on cow dung (also known as blue meanies) and are one of the most potent mushrooms consistantly. psilocybe cyanscens are found in the PNW


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: iamu]
    #12299574 - 03/30/10 01:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah definetely different, hence the different names. Panelous cyanescens grow on dung and are small and white where as psilocybe cyanescens grow on wood and are larger with a caramael colored cap.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12299586 - 03/30/10 01:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

they have similar names because they both bruise strongly blue

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12299590 - 03/30/10 01:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cool. just making sure.

what's the difference between these and cubes?


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Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: hobosapian]
    #12299595 - 03/30/10 01:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

they are smaller and more potent

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12299600 - 03/30/10 01:58 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

cubes are dung loving mushrooms and psilocybe cayanescens are wood loving and about three times as potent.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12299607 - 03/30/10 02:00 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

nice.

how much more potent are the pans when compared to the psilocybe cyans?


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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit] * 1
    #12299722 - 03/30/10 02:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

about the same in most peoples opinion even though I am sure some one will jump on and say some shit like pans are 2% more potent than p.cyanescens. Let me also just say that if you don't know the difference between these two species then you have no chance of being able to grow either of them in the near future. Pans maybe, but psilocybe cyanescens not a chance and it is not because I doubt you, they are just difficult to cultivate and it takes time and experience.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12299864 - 03/30/10 02:41 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

well post me up some nice teks & info on growing these bad boys.

i guarantee you i can grow them with the right info.

i'll even place a wager and take pics along the way.


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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12300014 - 03/30/10 03:06 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Pans are grown just like a bulk cube grow but they must be cased. Here is some info on them

http://www.shroomery.org/34/Panaeolus-Cyanescens

Psilocybe cyanescens are a whole different story and involve a symbiotic relationship of some kind with nature.
http://www.shroomery.org/35/Caramel-Cap-Woodlovers

All the teks say they are for azure's but they can be grown the exact same way. Good luck!!!


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12300030 - 03/30/10 03:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

aahhh so pans are actually easier then psil. cyans.....intriguing.


oh well, i got them for free with my APE, so why not give it a go.


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Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12300062 - 03/30/10 03:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

oh you can do pans if you have ever done a bulk cube grow, you know like a tray or a monotub, but you have to have plenty of experience with casing because I hear they are very picky in this manner. Now as for the p. cyanescens you have to live in the correct climate and be familiar with agar work and isolating the mycelium away from the contaminants because virtually all prints are wild and very dirty. You can porbably do pans but not p. cyanescens.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12300113 - 03/30/10 03:24 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeah i just read up on the links you posted.


i'm going to go ahead and do the psil cyans next year, when i can do them outside. it's already too late here for me to start them now.



however, pan cyans look very easy and i think i might have to order a syringe of them to do a monotub or 2.


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Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12300231 - 03/30/10 03:40 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

pans are quite a treat. and not too incredibly difficult.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12300257 - 03/30/10 03:44 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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cubes are dung loving mushrooms and psilocybe cayanescens are wood loving and about three times as potent.



i believe you r thinkin of azures...... p cyanscens r like a little potent cube also a dung loveer


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: TheBandit]
    #12300299 - 03/30/10 03:53 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

There is a lot of misleading or plain false information in this thread.
First off, Panaeolus and Psilocybe are two different genera.
Both Psilocybe cyanescens and Panaeolus cyanescens produce a significant amount of psilocybin and psilocin.
They are both considered to be among the most potent psychoactive mushroom species.
They are also native to different climate zones. Panaeolus cyanescens are a (sub)tropical species, while Psilocybe cyanescens are a cold climate species. They also grow in different habitats preferring different substrates.
Panaeolus cyanescens is a "dung lover" while Psilocybe cyanescens is a "wood lover".
If you want to grow either of them indoors and aim for good yields then Psilocybe cyanescens is not for you. It takes a very experienced cultivator to get them to fruit indoors and the indoor yields will be nothing to write home about. You do this kind of stuff for scientific purposes and proof of concept, not for great harvests.
However, if you live in a moderate to cold climate zone then you might want to consider cultivating them in outdoor beds. You'll have much better success with that with decent yields compared to indoor grows.
Panaeolus cyanescens are not hard to cultivate indoors using the same environmental parameters as cubensis. However, the substrate layer needs to be a lot thinner compared to cubensis.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: German Kahuna]
    #12300440 - 03/30/10 04:19 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well summed up :congrats:

It's worth learning a bit about biology nomenclature, like genus/species.  Psilocybe and panaeolus are two genuses , each containing a species called cyanescens.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: German Kahuna]
    #12300996 - 03/30/10 05:49 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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There is a lot of misleading or plain false information in this thread.




I was damn close. The only thing I got wrong was that I said the two were different species when it was really different genera, other than that everything else I posted was factual.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanescens [Re: bootedboy]
    #12301173 - 03/30/10 06:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

True that.


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