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    #12289004 - 03/28/10 05:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

So after watching the video at the start of this forum about not answering questions from cops
how well does that work for road blocks cause all they do is ask questions  :shrug:

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: bchunter]
    #12291379 - 03/29/10 08:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I used to have the blue mushrooms as my background.

That clown is no improvement.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: Humility]
    #12294306 - 03/29/10 05:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

How bout you comment on the question and not worry about what my pictures are

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: bchunter]
    #12294374 - 03/29/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno man.  The one occasion that this has happened to me I didn't have any drugs on me.  They asked me to see my license and registration and insurance and let me pass by.

They didn't ask any questions so I didn't need to answer.

"I don't know" is a good phrase, even better is "I don't feel comfortable answering that".  If it's something like "where are you coming from" you can be vague, same with "where are you going to".  Alternatively, when I'm asked where I'm coming from or going to I usually just say I'm out driving around (if it's a nice day), or I'll say that I'm out running errands.

Police don't have any business asking you anything other than who you are, where you live, where you're coming from, and where you're going along with your identification info.  Anything else is completely unnecessary for you to answer.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: bchunter]
    #12295850 - 03/29/10 10:12 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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So after watching the video at the start of this forum about not answering questions from cops
how well does that work for road blocks cause all they do is ask questions  :shrug:




Not very well.


For road blocks, have some answers ready.  Nothing too in depth, but they ask everyone the same thing and your answer shouldn't be too different from anyone elses.

If its a border patrol checkpoint, the rules are different.  If so, see the checkpointusa youtube videos.

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #12299572 - 03/30/10 01:54 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks that was a pretty good video, it goes to show you what happens when we follow the law
and exercise our rights...pretty sad

And what happens when you exercise your rights???this

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: bchunter]
    #12300088 - 03/30/10 03:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yes I can see how standing up to tyranny would be "interfering" with an officer of the law.

Simply be vague and ask "how can I help you?" constantly. Seeming like you're trying to help them while simultaneously annoying them and distracting them. This type of annoyance isn't going to get you tazed, they'll just think you are an idiot and let you go. Also, no matter how difficult it is don't sound like a smartass to police. Restrain yourself and if you're so motivated make fun of police later, when you're not in a position for things to get tazy.

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: Spiderwort]
    #12300682 - 03/30/10 04:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, no matter how difficult it is don't sound like a smartass to police




This can't be stressed enough.  Getting pulled over by the police is a formal event like a job interview, wedding, funeral, etc.  You need to pay attention and do what needs to be done.  It can be pretty serious business, and having such an attitude can keep you out a cage.

And once you've had your freedom taken from you, you quickly realize that every day outside of a cage is a good day (more or less).

This post sounds kinda terse.  I'd like to add that I'm no friend of the police, as can be ascertained by posts in other places.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: Humility]
    #12303402 - 03/31/10 01:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It's so hard for me not to be a jackass to them they just piss you off so much, I always end up saying something
stupid that gets me in more trouble

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: bchunter]
    #12303422 - 03/31/10 01:55 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

i usually laugh at them because they sometimes act like B movie actors.

I was recenetly being questioned and searched at the border....

BP: "why did you decide to come down here?"
  "to visit"
BP: "visiting who?"
  "....... piedras negras"
BP: "VISITNG WHO?"
  "I dont know what you are insinuating, i havent broken any crimes"
BP:"you tell me"
(I start laughing)
BP:"DID I SAY SOMETHING FUNNY?!?"
  "no"


this went on for a few minutes then they let me go.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: 2859558484]
    #12305211 - 03/31/10 12:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Stand up for your rights.  Give them your name and address, nothing else.  If you're driving also give them your license, insurance, and registration.  That's all they're entitled to.  You don't have to tell them where you're going or where you're coming from.

Pastor Anderson was standing up for his rights, but he was doing it to make a legal/political point against checkpoints.  He wasn't just standing up for his rights, he was making a real protest.  He obstructed traffic and rolled his windows up to make that point.  That's why he got tazed and beat up.

Don't do what he did unless you're trying to get the same result.

One trick they will use is the roadside tests.  You should generally refuse them.  At that point they have to have probable cause to haul you in.  If they have a portable breathalyser you have to blow into it.  Otherwise give them nothing except what's required.

Probably the best thing to say when they ask where you're going is "eastbound on I-35", "that way" or some other statement of obvious fact.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: fastfred]
    #12305391 - 03/31/10 12:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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One trick they will use is the roadside tests.  You should generally refuse them.




Interesting point. 

They arrested me for driving under the influence of a controlled substance the other day.  They saw a large subwoofer in the back seat and immediately asked me to get out of the car, and then asked if they could take my pulse.  When they did, it was 146, which they claimed meant I was on drugs.  They used that to arrest me for driving under the influence of a controlled substance.

Should I have refused to let them take my pulse?

If I had, there would have been no other evidence against me.

The worst part is that just before they were going to let me go, they searched my wallet and pulled out a bag of white powder.  They spent a half hour interrogating me about it, but I told them I didn't know what it was.  It was actually jwh-018.  They tested it for drugs and it tested positive for heroin according to the color changing test kits.  So they arrested me for posession of a controlled substance and sent me to the mail jail.  It cost $1600 to get out (bail bond) that I will never get back, even if the white powder tests negative for controlled substances.

I wonder how long it will take them to test it - at which point will they dismiss the controlled substance charge?

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Re: Road Blocks [Re: Humility]
    #12305450 - 03/31/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Oh man thats shitty sorry to hear that happend to ya. I'm guessing the checking the pulse thing is the same as
taking a breathalyzer if you refuse then your admitting to been on the drug.

 
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Probably the best thing to say when they ask where you're going is "eastbound on I-35", "that way" or some other statement of obvious fact.
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Thats pretty good, "where you headed" "ummm down the road", " where'd you come from" "well i just drove up the road where do you think i came from". but then again that plays into this :smirk:
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    #12305544 - 03/31/10 12:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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One trick they will use is the roadside tests.  You should generally refuse them.




Interesting point. 

They arrested me for driving under the influence of a controlled substance the other day.  They saw a large subwoofer in the back seat and immediately asked me to get out of the car, and then asked if they could take my pulse.  When they did, it was 146, which they claimed meant I was on drugs.  They used that to arrest me for driving under the influence of a controlled substance.

Should I have refused to let them take my pulse?

If I had, there would have been no other evidence against me.

The worst part is that just before they were going to let me go, they searched my wallet and pulled out a bag of white powder.  They spent a half hour interrogating me about it, but I told them I didn't know what it was.  It was actually jwh-018.  They tested it for drugs and it tested positive for heroin according to the color changing test kits.  So they arrested me for posession of a controlled substance and sent me to the mail jail.  It cost $1600 to get out (bail bond) that I will never get back, even if the white powder tests negative for controlled substances.

I wonder how long it will take them to test it - at which point will they dismiss the controlled substance charge?





you can probably get off on both charges. Get a decent lawyer.
Lab tests can take up to 6 months, just try not to worry about it until then. im pretty sure you will get off the charges if you have a decent lawyer.


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Re: Road Blocks [Re: 2859558484]
    #12305867 - 03/31/10 01:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

> Should I have refused to let them take my pulse?

Absolutely.  Like you said they would have no evidence whatsoever if you had refused.

A fast pulse while being harassed by armed bullies with badges is hardly evidence though, so the charge wouldn't stick.

But now they have your JWH.  Even if they can't charge you for that they still might try to parlay it into a DUI charge since most state laws say anything that could impact your driving any bit can be used for DUI.

So if you had refused the pulse check they would have had to let you go or say they had probable cause to arrest and test you.

Since you let them take your pulse they could have used that as probable cause to haul you down to the hospital for a blood test.

The thing about roadside tests is that if you refuse them they then have little basis to say they have probable cause to haul you in for a breath or blood test.

If you take the tests, even if you pass, they will say you failed and use that as their cause to haul you in for more tests.

ANYTHING you say or do for them WILL be used against you.  The second they pull you over they're looking for anything they can put in a report to justify further harassing you.  If you give them nothing then they will have nothing to use against you.

Hot tip:  If they ask you to get out of the car what they are really looking for is for you to use your hand to grab the door or roof for support as you're standing up.  What they put in the report is "suspect was unsteady and had to use his arms to steady himself as he exited the vehicle."  Almost everyone uses the door or roof to help pull themselves up as they're getting out.  But even this simple thing looks bad in the report.


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