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Raw
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New Identity 1
#12281450 - 03/27/10 06:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Raw (07/13/11 06:52 PM)
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Frinkz
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12281507 - 03/27/10 07:22 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Buy fake ID's / papers / birth certificates / passports
Destroy everything that can be traced back to you, withdraw and close all bank accounts
Go move somewhere else
You might be able to BS your way into a new bank account with documents
I dont know about getting real work, over here you would need a new NI number (something you can't just forge)
Or join the mafia, rat them out, free witness protection
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Re: New Identity [Re: Frinkz]
#12286038 - 03/28/10 01:44 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the government was extending its helping hand it could be done no worries. For all of us normal non-spy losers though i think it would be nearly impossible to completely erase all evidence of your former life.
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Re: New Identity [Re: thomasbe]
#12286364 - 03/28/10 06:13 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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You wouldn't need to erase evidence of your former life. Just get solid ID/docs for your new life.
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Re: New Identity [Re: efrog]
#12286386 - 03/28/10 06:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Couldn't the old stuff help trace the new stuff... Photos, med records, etc...
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efrog said: You wouldn't need to erase evidence of your former life. Just get solid ID/docs for your new life.
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Re: New Identity [Re: thomasbe]
#12286396 - 03/28/10 06:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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You wouldn't need to erase evidence of your former life. Just get *solid* ID/docs for your new life.
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Re: New Identity [Re: efrog]
#12316442 - 04/02/10 07:47 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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If youve ever been arrested and fingerprinted you probably dont have a chance
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Re: New Identity [Re: chet]
#12317063 - 04/02/10 10:52 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Other than creating a new identity I think it would be easier to take over a recently deceased persons identity.. At least to get you to where you are going then trying to create one there
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12319634 - 04/02/10 06:40 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Raw said: How do people actually do this?
Is it possible to vanish and create a new life?
It's definitely possible. I have a guy who can get me a whole new identity complete with all the docs for a grand. I'm expecting to have to give him a call one of these days.
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If you have close friend or so in social-security register, you could get them to forge you new social-security code (example: mm/dd/yy-abc123)
Or if you know a good hacker, you could hire someone to brake into register database and add new person in there, your new forged identity.
You can even declare yourself dead to erase your past if you know someone in hospital well enough.
This could be efficient when doing bank fraud, get lots of loan and then after that they notice your dead. (or rat mafia like said before lol)
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tattiritari said: If you have close friend or so in social-security register, you could get them to forge you new social-security code (example: mm/dd/yy-abc123)
in the US it's much more complicated, we have a system that is supposed to curb the false identities from being generated, in order to establish the account a state issued birth certificate has to be presented in addition to other state or federal ID, and you cant get the ID without the social security information, Our system is encoded, the format ix XXX-XX-XXXX, it gives 3 digits which list the month and year the card was applied for, the second two digits give the location where the card was applied/issued and to ensure unique numbers for 300 million people, the numbers will change a little in the encoding
20 years ago it was still possible to obtain old birth certificates of children that were deceased prior to obtaining any ID of their own, today that's become almost impossible, once again, ID for that person would have to have been issued prior to the request, these two are the primary reason the illegal immigrants are simply making up numbers for employment documents or buying the info of others to use, the federal government recently passed laws making that form of identity theft a crime
as for fake passports, there's companies that produce them but they're easily detected as fakes by most officials, finding a good forger is damned near impossible, most states are also revamping their IDs to make counterfeiting them more difficult, I just had mine reissued and it now has 3 holographic images, one being my photo, 3 photos of me, one being the hologram and now has raised lettering for a signature which you dont see in the sample image the sate provides

most fake IDs are poor forgeries anyway, if you live in the state of issue there's no way it'll avoid detection, if it's from out of state, most cops are issued an ID book just as many bars have that has current an past state and federal IDs
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You can even declare yourself dead to erase your past if you know someone in hospital well enough.
all your suggestions seem to require having someone on the inside
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I've always wondered about this. If I could I would.
Right now a judge agreed to expunge my record if I complete drug-treatment anytime in the next few years, and pay off my fines of course.
After that I was planning on changing my name (keep my first name) for various reasons. I guess it costs about 500-600$ and it's not that hard to do.
But as for actually obtaining a new identity - I would think that it would be locked down extremely tight in the USA. The DMV around here is worse then what I would have expected the mexican border to be like on the way back from Tijuana. I had a friend who's mother took the pictures for the drivers licenses.. that's about as close to a "connect" as I'm gonna get.
And I'm sure professionals aren't real eager to advertise their business as falsifying a federal document is a felony.
I remember reading in the anarchist cookbook a long time ago that the dead-records (for birth certificates) were easiest to obtain through the public library. Now most libraries work with the "winding rivers" system around here. I didn't return some books, so that's out..
Heh. Without professional assistance I wouldn't even try it.
Anyone have any real experience or advice on this topic?
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Re: New Identity [Re: plurfekt]
#12369091 - 04/10/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The French Foreign Legion will give you a new identity.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Arkady]
#12371098 - 04/11/10 01:58 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Huh? Is that a joke or is it real? Name / ID / Passport
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Arkady said: The French Foreign Legion will give you a new identity.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12378110 - 04/12/10 12:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Raw said: Huh? Is that a joke or is it real? Name / ID / Passport
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Arkady said: The French Foreign Legion will give you a new identity.
No joke. They will give you French citizenship, and a new name, identity, etc. Of course, you have to serve 5 years in the FFL.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Arkady]
#12380670 - 04/12/10 07:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is a get out of jail free card... but 5 years of service.
I think a lot of judges would give you military service instead of jail if you are a healthy young man.
If you don't do anything morally reprehensible at least.
Not bad. I bet if more people knew about it a lot of people would find their way to France from all over to escape poverty as well...
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Re: New Identity [Re: Arkady]
#12565604 - 05/15/10 01:48 AM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Arkady said:
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Raw said: Huh? Is that a joke or is it real? Name / ID / Passport
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Arkady said: The French Foreign Legion will give you a new identity.
No joke. They will give you French citizenship, and a new name, identity, etc. Of course, you have to serve 5 years in the FFL.
I actually looked into this one day while I was bored as fuck in my cubicle at work.
They used to accept people with no questions asked, but now they run your fingerprints thru Interpol before letting you in.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12568108 - 05/15/10 04:18 PM (14 years, 7 days ago) |
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Raw said: I think a lot of judges would give you military service instead of jail if you are a healthy young man.
they haven't done that except in a few rare instances in the last 35 years
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Raw
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2 of my friends went that route. Were not about to snitch and were not about to go to jail for a long time. One marine, one navy enlistment.
They were both thin, healthy, tall, and white.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12576881 - 05/17/10 12:58 AM (14 years, 5 days ago) |
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All services have regulations against people joining the military to avoid jail time. I'm raising the BS flag.
BTW what do their physical characteristics and ethnicity have to do with it?
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12597294 - 05/20/10 10:43 AM (14 years, 2 days ago) |
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http://www.howtobeinvisible.com/index.cfm/page/how-to-be-invisible/index.htm
This book is a great read about protecting your privacy and identity but it's not easy to do at all. It's less about establishing a fake identity and more about obscuring your real identity/residence. The cardinal rule: never allow your real name and real address to be listed in the same place.
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That looks like a cool book.
My library has it but its checked out; as soon as it comes in they are going to hold it for me. Library web pages are awesome...
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Raw
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Re: New Identity [Re: Arkady]
#12609450 - 05/22/10 12:31 PM (14 years, 10 hours ago) |
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I know it has been done. I don't think ethnicity is a big deal but physical ability is. It is the same for the French Foreign thingy... You have to be able to do so many sprints as well as pull-ups for that.
For the US military they want people who are not overweight. It is a big deal for them.
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Raw
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Agreed... Read the preview.
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Alan Rockefeller said: That looks like a cool book.
My library has it but its checked out; as soon as it comes in they are going to hold it for me. Library web pages are awesome...
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Re: New Identity [Re: chet]
#12618284 - 05/24/10 04:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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chet said: If youve ever been arrested and fingerprinted you probably dont have a chance
Shave your prints or burn them
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Raw
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Is there a way to do this? Checking online.
Have not found a good one short of permanently scarring your fingertips off
Edited by Raw (05/25/10 05:31 AM)
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12639569 - 05/27/10 03:50 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or just live a underground lifestyle. If you have cash, you basically get whatever you need from other people if required or by some other means involving other people.
Need an Identity? Break into someones house, put a gun to their head and get all their info. Take it to the next level; no fucking around.
Need Money? Sell drugs, Rob people at Gun Point, Extortion
Need a car? Buy with cash. Register with some poor persons registration; or who cares? Steal someones license plate of a similar model, and if a cop pulls you over kill them.
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Anonymous said: Or just live a underground lifestyle. If you have cash, you basically get whatever you need from other people if required or by some other means involving other people.
Need an Identity? Break into someones house, put a gun to their head and get all their info. Take it to the next level; no fucking around.
Need Money? Sell drugs, Rob people at Gun Point, Extortion
Need a car? Buy with cash. Register with some poor persons registration; or who cares? Steal someones license plate of a similar model, and if a cop pulls you over kill them.
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> Have not found a good one short of permanently scarring your fingertips off
There's no good permanent way... but I accidentally discovered a cheap, easy method that lasts about a month.
I had some concentrated HCl in an erlenmeyer flask. While pouring, some ran down the outside leaving a thin coat of it on the glass. I then grabbed the flask without knowing. A few moments later I realized that my fingertips were wet and ran to the sink to wash them off. A bit later, much to my chagrin, I noticed that my fingerprints had been perfectly burned off, without causing ANY damage to my fingers otherwise.
It's kind of a pain in the ass because you can't grab anything. Without your fingerprints everything seems really slippery. I suppose you could counter this by wearing gloves.
So the key factors seem to be... Strong HCl, a very thin coat of it on glass, pressure just strong enough to grab a flask (probably less would work as well), and about 30 secs to 1 min before washing off. You might use a little longer for acid concentrations less than about 10M.
This will burn off your prints and leave you with print-less fingers. I'd probably try to figure out a way to get some sort of prints, or at least texturing back on your fingers (sandpaper?). If they try to print you and you have nothing at all they'll probably get pretty suspicious.
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Re: New Identity [Re: fastfred]
#12658054 - 05/30/10 09:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Raw
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Re: New Identity [Re: fastfred]
#12660652 - 05/31/10 12:25 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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HCl. Ok. Seems interesting. How long before your prints came back?
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12662952 - 05/31/10 07:59 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Idk where you guys live, but when I got "printed" awhile back, it was my whole hand, all my fingers, and even the sides of my hands... Burning prints off won't do you much, short of plastic surgery, your prints are your prints.
I say "printed" because it was a big computer machine, not ink and paper.
Edited by suburbantoker (05/31/10 07:59 PM)
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maybe some kind of diluted acid would take prints off?
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Raw
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If you havn't had your prints taken. You won't need to give them away if you get a heads up.
If you have had them taken. You won't need to give them again.
(It sucks but may be necessary if you want to dis-appear poof vanish )
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suburbantoker said: Idk where you guys live, but when I got "printed" awhile back, it was my whole hand, all my fingers, and even the sides of my hands... Burning prints off won't do you much, short of plastic surgery, your prints are your prints.
I say "printed" because it was a big computer machine, not ink and paper.
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Re: New Identity [Re: Raw]
#12670014 - 06/01/10 11:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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> HCl. Ok. Seems interesting. How long before your prints came back?
Seemed like about a month to me. The process is easy enough to do as much as you need.
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