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talking on the phone about drugs
#12277568 - 03/26/10 03:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have roommates that bug out when I start to talk about drug USE or drugs on the phone. Whether I'm giving someone a tip or telling them I'm tripping.
Who's being more naive? I'm literally just curious.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: dwtk]
#12277919 - 03/26/10 03:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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as long as you aren't talking about dealing while using the actual name for the product there should be no problem.
If you are just expressing yourself using slang I see no problem with it. You know if you use the actual name a red flag will pop up somewhere if used enough times.
Am I being paranoid or just smart? Who the hell knows really, bush did a excellent job of stripping away our rights to privacy all in the name of "TERROR"
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Mr.Pink]
#12278115 - 03/26/10 04:36 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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the only reason i'd worry about talking drugs on the phone is if i sold a lot of drugs.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: 2859558484]
#12278156 - 03/26/10 04:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah exactly..
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: dwtk]
#12278195 - 03/26/10 04:53 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Unless your phone is tapped, I haven't heard of any setups being able to tell if you're using certain key words ( besides b*mb etc )
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: dwtk]
#12279582 - 03/26/10 09:25 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm a bit confused.
Are you referring to LEO, "The Man", disapproving family?
It likely depends on situation. Cell phone? Which provider?
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Unless your phone is tapped, I haven't heard of any setups being able to tell if you're using certain key words ( besides b*mb etc )
In the case of a targeted setup you are being targeted with resources that WILL be utilized against you. They already had to retrieve the resources to arrange a setup, and if this is the case you likely fucked up well before telling someone you were tripping on the phone.
I'd be curious about statistics on how many 'incidental' arrests have been made regarding those speaking to a monitored subject prior to LEO being aware of them.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: numonkei]
#12280676 - 03/27/10 12:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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The way I see it, if they are listening, that means you're under investigation, and you're probably fucked anyway. If you don't make your living selling drugs then you probably have nothing to worry about.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: DryGrain]
#12280767 - 03/27/10 12:57 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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i got busted like 2 months back for weed distribution ... probably like half ounce. ill be more careful for now on though, cant hurt
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: dwtk]
#12281355 - 03/27/10 05:50 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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dwtk said: I have roommates that bug out when I start to talk about drug USE or drugs on the phone. Whether I'm giving someone a tip or telling them I'm tripping.
Who's being more naive? I'm literally just curious.
I'm with your room mates.
Better safe than sorry. It may not be your phone that's being monitored but the phone of someone you're talking to. It may be yours. It may be neither.
Why take any chances?
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12285300 - 03/27/10 09:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always assume the phone is tapped, but if you are telling your friends you are tripping, no one is ever going to care.
In spite of the large number of people who talk about drugs on the phone, I haven't heard of anyone getting busted that way.
Text messages are WAY worse. People get busted all the time with those.
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Last I heard, a lot of phone companies keep text logs indefinitely.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Helixx]
#12288848 - 03/28/10 05:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea texts are almost like making what u say permanent. If your moving a lot of weight then sure be careful don't say fuck all on the phone and deal in person. If you just get stoned and trip and your telling your friends your tripping I really don't see a problem because unless your talking about selling their not gunna waste their time coming to bust you especially with the chance you won't have anything on you and it makes them look like idiots and puts them in the wrong.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Spaced_Cowboy]
#12305102 - 03/31/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, so you're talking into a GPS enabled radio about felonies?
Hmm.... Do you really think that's smart?
Back in the day, when cellular was analog, most cop shops would have a modified scanner that would pick up most cell calls in the town. While it would be illegal to listen to private cell calls without a warrant they were able to own modified scanners. So maybe they stuck to the letter of the law, but I doubt it.
Nowdays they can do the same thing if they have the money for a fancy digital scanner made for the task. Just look on the net and you can see that these devices are for sale.
So yeah, broadcasting your felonies over the radio waves using equipment that can quickly locate you is probably a bad idea.
Remember also that they can get your cell phone records without a warrant. That will tell them who you call and when. So if you're ever talking to a buddy that got busted or is under investigation they can use the info about who you call to widen the investigation.
So there's lots of reasons not to talk about drugs on the phone.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: fastfred]
#12334539 - 04/05/10 10:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you dont hear echo on background then you should be fine speaking sbout drugs on phone, or if your operator logo on cellphone aint different from original.
Using phone with cord is always a risk, you wont hear no echo.
seldom when speaking on cell you will get short period of echo, that means someone is scanning conversations to pick up interesting gossip (typical terrorist or other prohibitet coversations).
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: tattiritari]
#12335057 - 04/05/10 12:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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better over the phone than by text.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: tattiritari]
#12335203 - 04/05/10 12:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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seldom when speaking on cell you will get short period of echo, that means someone is scanning conversations to pick up interesting gossip (typical terrorist or other prohibitet coversations).
When someone is listening to your call, using a scanner or a more conventional wiretap, there is no echo added.
If you hear echo there is a problem with the line or a very cheap amateur tap, like the kind you can get out of the back of a magazine for $5.
These days the phone company just types your number into a big solaris box and it saves all your calls to MP3, there is no change in the audio path.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: tattiritari]
#12335753 - 04/05/10 02:02 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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tattiritari said: If you dont hear echo on background then you should be fine speaking sbout drugs on phone, or if your operator logo on cellphone aint different from original.
Using phone with cord is always a risk, you wont hear no echo.
seldom when speaking on cell you will get short period of echo, that means someone is scanning conversations to pick up interesting gossip (typical terrorist or other prohibitet coversations).

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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Mr.Pink]
#12336125 - 04/05/10 03:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mr.Pink said: as long as you aren't talking about dealing while using the actual name for the product there should be no problem.
as if 'buddha' or 'trees' is fooling anyone listening in
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: tattiritari]
#12336252 - 04/05/10 03:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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load of crap, cell phons can be intercepted with most police scanners
True, but 99.9% of the calls are encrypted using GSM or CDMA and have been since the late 90's. So unless you have some mid-range crpytoanalysis gear too it will just sound like static. It doesn't take a professional cryptographer to break it, but its not something that the average high school kid could pull off. Most people do it with old test equipment from the cell phone companies.
In some rural areas analog cell phones are still in use - Many tri-band phones still have analog, and if you are on some remote mountain top somewhere you will often see an A on your LCD, indicating that your call will use normal FM and can be intercepted by scanners.
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and it's legal to do so
They passed a law in the 90's that makes it illegal to listen to cell phone calls with a scanner after some high profile people had their calls taped by reporters. The law also said that all new scanners have to be incapable of picking up the 800 mhz cell phone band.
I used to listen to cell phone calls when I was a teenager. In 1997 I picked up a call between two lesbians having phone sex...after about a half hour one of them was like "Ok I am here! and the other said Ok I see you outside..come on in!". I never listened to another cell phone call afterwards because I knew there was no way I could ever top that.
My scanner was one of the models that can't pick up the cell phone band, but by tuning 21.1 Mhz above the signals I used a flaw in the receivers IF to pick them up anyway. If you are in the middle of nowhere (no CDMA/GSM service), give it a try, tune from 894 - 916 Mhz and you'll hear calls.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12346959 - 04/07/10 05:17 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who says you have be talking on the phone ? If you have one near you that's just as bad.A cell phone can have it's firmware upgraded without your knowledge an then it becomes a portable tracking device/bug. A landline is no safer as it can have an infinity bug fitted. The last infinity bug I heard of about 15 years ago was fitted into the wallplug of the phone and it had a ring catcher to stop the phone ringing. The listener (cop/landlord) would ring your number with an activation code and your phone would be taken off the hook without ringing. They could then listen to anything said within range of the phones microphone. An Australian electronics mag stated that digital exchanges have this feature built in and nothing needs to fitted to your phone as it is already a bug, like the infinity bug whether you are on the phone or not. If I have a personal conversation I either unplug the phone or take the batteries out of any mobile/cell phones nearby. These days I don't do anything illegal so I don't worry.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: roby000]
#12348423 - 04/07/10 12:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who says you have be talking on the phone ? If you have one near you that's just as bad.A cell phone can have it's firmware upgraded without your knowledge an then it becomes a portable tracking device/bug.
That is possible but it would shorten your battery life quite a bit and make your phone warm even when you are not talking on it. So its only used in extreme cases.
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Who says you have be talking on the phone ? If you have one near you that's just as bad.A cell phone can have it's firmware upgraded without your knowledge an then it becomes a portable tracking device/bug.
That is very old technology and I doubt anyone uses it anymore.
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An Australian electronics mag stated that digital exchanges have this feature built in and nothing needs to fitted to your phone as it is already a bug, like the infinity bug whether you are on the phone or not.
That is definitely not true. When the phone is on hook there is 48 VDC on the line and no audio path. The microphone is not connected until you pick up the phone. This functionality is integral to the way that phones are wired and there is nothing the telco's switch can do about it. Also it would be easy to detect if something like that was happening.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12363786 - 04/09/10 07:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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load of crap, cell phons can be intercepted with most police scanners
True, but 99.9% of the calls are encrypted using GSM or CDMA and have been since the late 90's. So unless you have some mid-range crpytoanalysis gear too it will just sound like static. It doesn't take a professional cryptographer to break it, but its not something that the average high school kid could pull off. Most people do it with old test equipment from the cell phone companies.
In some rural areas analog cell phones are still in use - Many tri-band phones still have analog, and if you are on some remote mountain top somewhere you will often see an A on your LCD, indicating that your call will use normal FM and can be intercepted by scanners.
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and it's legal to do so
They passed a law in the 90's that makes it illegal to listen to cell phone calls with a scanner after some high profile people had their calls taped by reporters. The law also said that all new scanners have to be incapable of picking up the 800 mhz cell phone band.
I used to listen to cell phone calls when I was a teenager. In 1997 I picked up a call between two lesbians having phone sex...after about a half hour one of them was like "Ok I am here! and the other said Ok I see you outside..come on in!". I never listened to another cell phone call afterwards because I knew there was no way I could ever top that.
My scanner was one of the models that can't pick up the cell phone band, but by tuning 21.1 Mhz above the signals I used a flaw in the receivers IF to pick them up anyway. If you are in the middle of nowhere (no CDMA/GSM service), give it a try, tune from 894 - 916 Mhz and you'll hear calls.
You are right. I worked as an engineer at Qualcomm from 98~2002. Unless the government got their way and put backdoor keys into the chipsets, CDMA signals will just appear as noise. And it isn't crackable by 50$ Radio Shack hardware, or even 1 million dollar hardware. The NSA can do it (maybe) but fat ass deputy dawg inhaling donuts and drinking coffee down at the local station doesn't have the technology.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: starfire_xes]
#12366674 - 04/10/10 10:38 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just google "cdma gsm scanner". You'll get plenty of hits. There's no encryption on these things, just a complicated method of multiplexing the signals.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: fastfred]
#12367179 - 04/10/10 12:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Both GSM and CDMA use encryption. GSM uses the A5 cipher and CDMA uses spread spectrum with a secret spreading key.
Currently GSM is the easier one to crack.
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So CDMA is a multiplexing method rather than encryption and GSM uses a 20+ year old scheme that can be cracked with the computing power of a pocket calculator.
There's not much security there. I'm not saying that every white van you see is listening to your cell calls, but it certainly isn't that difficult.
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Re: talking on the phone about drugs [Re: fastfred]
#12368748 - 04/10/10 06:04 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with everyone who said it's a bad idea. Because its a bad idea.
Number one reason people get busted...they confess or admit to committing a crime. Nine out of ten court cases that get a conviction, do so based on information someone volunteered or a confession. So be wise and keep your mouth shut.
The vast majority of communications are monitored for keywords by various programs and facilities. That being said smoking a joint and bragging about it isnt likely to bring anyone to the door but why take unnecessary risk? Why brag about committing a crime? Nothing good will come of it at all. Period.
Btw, with all standard tech police or other agencies do have technology that will infiltrate or otherwise break it. Ive seen their computer tech in action for cracking computers and passwords and its pretty awe inspiring. Do I think they are going around cracking people's communications. Probably not. But they do have the ability if someone gets tipped off about potential drug activities then they get a warrant for a wiretap potentially based on probable cause due to a tip.
As sad as it is, the ones most likely to stab in the back esp about drugs or crimes are the ones closest to you such as family or esp friends.
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